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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:54:49 -0400, EmpacherFan wrote:

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On Oct 10, 9:43*am, EmpacherFan wrote:
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On Oct 10, 9:44 am, EmpacherFan wrote:
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

snippage

Still thinking about the Sig Sauer P226. This one, with a conversion kit:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

Good idea, huh?

I carry for work, but not a SIG, usually a Glock 22 or a 1911, plus
another handgun for backup. The Sig P226 is a nice pistol, though. I'm
not sure what you are trying to gain by fitting it with a 22 slide and
works. The recoil, muzzle flip and noise will be totally different
between the two rounds and at distance at a target, so will the impact of
gravity, so you won't be gaining the shooting skills you want with a 40,
45 or even a 9 round in a defense pistol by running 22s through it. I've
tried a few of these combos at the range. They were fun but shooting 22
rounds isn't going to help you become proficient firing larger rounds in
the same basic pistol.

Wow, you have all the perfect weapons, for the perfect environment...
You sound a lot like a recent MIA poster here who always had the
perfect tool for the job...

I'm a federal cop. The Glock was issued to me. I encounter a lot of
firearms. I don't think the 22 slide kits are anything more than a
gimmick. What's your point?

The .22 kits (from what I understand,) were used for training purposes
as far back as WW 1 to conserve bigger caliber ammunition. Same feel
and break down as the .45 ACP but a whole lot cheaper to shoot on the
range.

I have a WW1 issue British .303 Enfield rifle chambered in .22 single
shot for that same reason.


You are absolutely correct as far as it goes. The pistol feels the same
and breaks down the same, but it doesn't shoot the same. There's much
more recoil and muzzle flip from a .40 S&W round than a .22LR round in
the same semi-auto. Also consider that the .40 round weighs about five
times what the .22 round weighs. Ten rounds of .22 in a magazine is
going to weigh a lot less than 10 rounds of .40 in a magazine, and that
will change the balance of the weapon considerably.

Several posters have suggested the way to go is with a nice defensive
semi-auto and a separate and much less expensive .22 semi-auto. I agree.

Why? If the purpose of the .22 is to practice cheaply, and the .22 conversion kits aren't the way to
go because they don't have the same heft, kick,balance, etc., etc., what is gained by practicing
with a totally different, lightweight, low-kick .22?

The logic there escapes me.

Of course it does....

On 10/14/2012 3:41 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:54:49 -0400, EmpacherFan wrote:

In article 0fbd714d-0101-4ac3-b0a5-da80addeaa79
@i14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 10, 9:43 am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article c8d644c3-cbd3-4457-8d6e-aaf02ce3e028
@n7g2000pbj.googlegroups.com, says...











On Oct 10, 9:44 am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

snippage

Still thinking about the Sig Sauer P226. This one, with a conversion kit:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

Good idea, huh?

I carry for work, but not a SIG, usually a Glock 22 or a 1911, plus
another handgun for backup. The Sig P226 is a nice pistol, though. I'm
not sure what you are trying to gain by fitting it with a 22 slide and
works. The recoil, muzzle flip and noise will be totally different
between the two rounds and at distance at a target, so will the impact of
gravity, so you won't be gaining the shooting skills you want with a 40,
45 or even a 9 round in a defense pistol by running 22s through it. I've
tried a few of these combos at the range. They were fun but shooting 22
rounds isn't going to help you become proficient firing larger rounds in
the same basic pistol.

Wow, you have all the perfect weapons, for the perfect environment...
You sound a lot like a recent MIA poster here who always had the
perfect tool for the job...

I'm a federal cop. The Glock was issued to me. I encounter a lot of
firearms. I don't think the 22 slide kits are anything more than a
gimmick. What's your point?

The .22 kits (from what I understand,) were used for training purposes
as far back as WW 1 to conserve bigger caliber ammunition. Same feel
and break down as the .45 ACP but a whole lot cheaper to shoot on the
range.

I have a WW1 issue British .303 Enfield rifle chambered in .22 single
shot for that same reason.


You are absolutely correct as far as it goes. The pistol feels the same
and breaks down the same, but it doesn't shoot the same. There's much
more recoil and muzzle flip from a .40 S&W round than a .22LR round in
the same semi-auto. Also consider that the .40 round weighs about five
times what the .22 round weighs. Ten rounds of .22 in a magazine is
going to weigh a lot less than 10 rounds of .40 in a magazine, and that
will change the balance of the weapon considerably.

Several posters have suggested the way to go is with a nice defensive
semi-auto and a separate and much less expensive .22 semi-auto. I agree.

Why? If the purpose of the .22 is to practice cheaply, and the .22 conversion kits aren't the way to
go because they don't have the same heft, kick,balance, etc., etc., what is gained by practicing
with a totally different, lightweight, low-kick .22?

The logic there escapes me.

Of course it does....

Please explain, Loogie. Why does the logic escape him? Be specific and
cite where appropriate.