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jps August 10th 12 12:45 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 

Aug 9 (Reuters) - The Tucson gunman who killed six people and severely
wounded Gabrielle Giffords has labeled himself a failure because the
former Arizona Congresswoman survived his rampage, according to a
prison psychologist's report released on Thursday.

The report's release comes two days after Jared Loughner, 23, in a
deal that will spare him the death penalty, pleaded guilty to six
murders and other charges stemming from his January 2011 shooting
spree at a Tucson supermarket.

Psychologist Christina Pietz, who evaluated Loughner at a federal
prison hospital in Missouri, said in the report that Loughner had
repeatedly made comments suggesting he thought Giffords died when he
shot her in the head.

At one time, he suggested he understood that Giffords was alive,
according to Pietz, who wrote that she pressed him on that point, and
he admitted to feeling disappointed in her survival because it meant
he "failed."

"I'm not an assassin," Pietz's report quoted Loughner, a community
college dropout, as saying.

Later on in the interview, he told Pietz: "Jared Loughner failed
again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."



Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!

BAR[_2_] August 10th 12 01:03 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
In article ,
says...

Aug 9 (Reuters) - The Tucson gunman who killed six people and severely
wounded Gabrielle Giffords has labeled himself a failure because the
former Arizona Congresswoman survived his rampage, according to a
prison psychologist's report released on Thursday.

The report's release comes two days after Jared Loughner, 23, in a
deal that will spare him the death penalty, pleaded guilty to six
murders and other charges stemming from his January 2011 shooting
spree at a Tucson supermarket.

Psychologist Christina Pietz, who evaluated Loughner at a federal
prison hospital in Missouri, said in the report that Loughner had
repeatedly made comments suggesting he thought Giffords died when he
shot her in the head.

At one time, he suggested he understood that Giffords was alive,
according to Pietz, who wrote that she pressed him on that point, and
he admitted to feeling disappointed in her survival because it meant
he "failed."

"I'm not an assassin," Pietz's report quoted Loughner, a community
college dropout, as saying.

Later on in the interview, he told Pietz: "Jared Loughner failed
again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."



Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!


Ban all knives!




X ` Man August 10th 12 01:17 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/9/12 8:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

Aug 9 (Reuters) - The Tucson gunman who killed six people and severely
wounded Gabrielle Giffords has labeled himself a failure because the
former Arizona Congresswoman survived his rampage, according to a
prison psychologist's report released on Thursday.

The report's release comes two days after Jared Loughner, 23, in a
deal that will spare him the death penalty, pleaded guilty to six
murders and other charges stemming from his January 2011 shooting
spree at a Tucson supermarket.

Psychologist Christina Pietz, who evaluated Loughner at a federal
prison hospital in Missouri, said in the report that Loughner had
repeatedly made comments suggesting he thought Giffords died when he
shot her in the head.

At one time, he suggested he understood that Giffords was alive,
according to Pietz, who wrote that she pressed him on that point, and
he admitted to feeling disappointed in her survival because it meant
he "failed."

"I'm not an assassin," Pietz's report quoted Loughner, a community
college dropout, as saying.

Later on in the interview, he told Pietz: "Jared Loughner failed
again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."



Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!


Ban all knives!




You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

X ` Man[_3_] August 10th 12 02:23 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/9/12 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Ban all knives!




You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--


Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.


You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
McVeigh...

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

jps August 10th 12 02:28 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/9/12 8:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

Aug 9 (Reuters) - The Tucson gunman who killed six people and severely
wounded Gabrielle Giffords has labeled himself a failure because the
former Arizona Congresswoman survived his rampage, according to a
prison psychologist's report released on Thursday.

The report's release comes two days after Jared Loughner, 23, in a
deal that will spare him the death penalty, pleaded guilty to six
murders and other charges stemming from his January 2011 shooting
spree at a Tucson supermarket.

Psychologist Christina Pietz, who evaluated Loughner at a federal
prison hospital in Missouri, said in the report that Loughner had
repeatedly made comments suggesting he thought Giffords died when he
shot her in the head.

At one time, he suggested he understood that Giffords was alive,
according to Pietz, who wrote that she pressed him on that point, and
he admitted to feeling disappointed in her survival because it meant
he "failed."

"I'm not an assassin," Pietz's report quoted Loughner, a community
college dropout, as saying.

Later on in the interview, he told Pietz: "Jared Loughner failed
again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."



Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!


Ban all knives!




You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.


And that guy in Colorado could have easily killed 12 people and maimed
many more with a fork!

All this jibberish about guns, they don't do nearly as much harm as
canker sores. Ask Wayne LaPierre, he speaks the truth! Except when
he's lying through his teeth.

jps August 10th 12 02:30 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Ban all knives!




You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--


Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.


You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
McVeigh...


It's great that guys like McVeigh and this cretin in Wisconsin can
continue to perfect their education in killing while living at home.

Nothing like perfecting one's craft.

X ` Man[_3_] August 10th 12 02:37 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/9/12 9:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Ban all knives!




You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--

Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.


You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
McVeigh...


It's great that guys like McVeigh and this cretin in Wisconsin can
continue to perfect their education in killing while living at home.

Nothing like perfecting one's craft.



Apparently, the far-right conservative lunatics, the skinheads,
neonazis, et cetera, encourage their young followers to join the
military so they can learn all they need to know about weapons.
In other words, our military is training our homegrown terrorists.

Sweet.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

jps August 10th 12 03:28 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:49:27 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--

Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.


You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
McVeigh...


Or a college professor like Kaczinski.

Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.
If you are ambitious enough to scrape the heads off of several boxes
of kitchen matches you can make a heluva bomb. Put it in a 1/2" pipe
nipple, coated with RTV and rolled in BBs, you got ya something.
Bear in mind, most of the people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are
not killed with the ubiquitous AK47, they are killed by home made
bombs made by illiterate kids.


Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
did in Wisconsin.

Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.

And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.

X ` Man[_3_] August 10th 12 11:14 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/9/12 9:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--

Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.


You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
McVeigh...


Or a college professor like Kaczinski.

Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.


Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Tom Nofinger August 10th 12 01:13 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Thursday, August 9, 2012 9:28:26 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:49:27 -0400, wrote:



On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man


wrote:




by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.




--




Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.



You speak from experience?

John H.[_5_] August 10th 12 01:38 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:


Aug 9 (Reuters) - The Tucson gunman who killed six people and severely
wounded Gabrielle Giffords has labeled himself a failure because the
former Arizona Congresswoman survived his rampage, according to a
prison psychologist's report released on Thursday.

The report's release comes two days after Jared Loughner, 23, in a
deal that will spare him the death penalty, pleaded guilty to six
murders and other charges stemming from his January 2011 shooting
spree at a Tucson supermarket.

Psychologist Christina Pietz, who evaluated Loughner at a federal
prison hospital in Missouri, said in the report that Loughner had
repeatedly made comments suggesting he thought Giffords died when he
shot her in the head.

At one time, he suggested he understood that Giffords was alive,
according to Pietz, who wrote that she pressed him on that point, and
he admitted to feeling disappointed in her survival because it meant
he "failed."

"I'm not an assassin," Pietz's report quoted Loughner, a community
college dropout, as saying.

Later on in the interview, he told Pietz: "Jared Loughner failed
again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."



Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!


What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

John H.[_5_] August 10th 12 01:39 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:30:06 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:23:54 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Ban all knives!




You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--

Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.


You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like Tim
McVeigh...


It's great that guys like McVeigh and this cretin in Wisconsin can
continue to perfect their education in killing while living at home.

Nothing like perfecting one's craft.


Are you now advocating a ban on the internet?

X ` Man August 10th 12 01:48 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this... MORE HERRING KRAP
 
On 8/10/12 8:39 AM, John H. wrote:


Meyer[_2_] August 10th 12 02:08 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:


Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!


What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.

Meyer[_2_] August 10th 12 02:12 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this... MORE HERRING KRAP
 
On 8/10/2012 8:48 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 8:39 AM, John H. wrote:

You are behaving like a parrot or chimpanzee.
It's been quite a while since you've had an original thought, Senor Krause.

John H.[_5_] August 10th 12 05:09 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:


Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!


What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.


No fair, you're not jps!

I really would like to see his solution.

X ` Man[_3_] August 10th 12 05:19 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/12 12:09 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:


Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!

What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.


No fair, you're not jps!

I really would like to see his solution.



Simple. Since all the domestic terrorists who engage in mass gun murders
seem to be righties, round all the gun-owning righties up,
put them and their firearms into a huge fenced area in Arizona or Texas,
drop in huge amounts of ammo, whiskey, crank, bibles and condoms (but no
food or water) and come back in a month to see which one is still alive.
Shoot him. If any of those righties held decent jobs, give those jobs to
the jobless and to hard-working Mexicans.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

X ` Man[_3_] August 10th 12 06:10 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.


Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.


The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

Meyer[_2_] August 10th 12 06:24 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/2012 1:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.


Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.


The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.

Self destruction would suit you to a T. Try that if you have a penchant
for blowing things up.

X ` Man[_3_] August 10th 12 06:41 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/12 1:27 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:10:08 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.


That is why I think it is more important to have crazy person control
than weapon control.

A crazy person will always find a weapon.



Do you know how difficult it is to "control" those you are calling
"crazy people"? How would you do it? It is not a trivial task, nor
should it be, to even commit someone for a three day psych evaluation.
Absent such an evaluation, what is your plan?



--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 10th 12 06:43 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/10/12 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.


Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.


The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.


That's good for the wildlife and marine life..... asshole.

X ` Man[_3_] August 10th 12 06:47 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/12 1:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/10/12 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.


Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.


That's good for the wildlife and marine life..... asshole.



Uh, the "stuff" wasn't living, and the sandbars were covered by 6-10' of
seawater twice a day. Mostly we blew up milk cartons and empty
containers from canned goods, and when we were finished, we picked them
up and put them in the trash. We would have done the same for you.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

jps August 10th 12 07:21 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:57:51 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:28:26 -0700, jps wrote:



Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
did in Wisconsin.

Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.

And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.


Maybe we should be spending a little more time figuring out why people
do these things instead of simply trying to put everything that could
be used as a weapon on a high shelf.

This is similar to the way we are handling airline security. Instead
of targeting terrorists, we target the last weapon they came up with.
That does absolutely nothing to stop the next weapon.


Guns are designed to kill. Box cutters are designed to open boxes.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 10th 12 07:32 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/10/12 1:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/10/12 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.


Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.


That's good for the wildlife and marine life..... asshole.



Uh, the "stuff" wasn't living, and the sandbars were covered by 6-10' of
seawater twice a day. Mostly we blew up milk cartons and empty
containers from canned goods, and when we were finished, we picked them
up and put them in the trash. We would have done the same for you.


So you don't think the blast from those cherry bombs would do anything
to the marine life around the bars? If so, you are stupid. And if you
think "we" can do anything to me, go for it, you fat pig.

Meyer[_2_] August 10th 12 08:19 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/2012 1:41 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 1:27 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:10:08 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.


That is why I think it is more important to have crazy person control
than weapon control.

A crazy person will always find a weapon.



Do you know how difficult it is to "control" those you are calling
"crazy people"? How would you do it? It is not a trivial task, nor
should it be, to even commit someone for a three day psych evaluation.
Absent such an evaluation, what is your plan?



Half the time, those doing the evaluations are nuttier than the patients.

Meyer[_2_] August 10th 12 08:21 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/2012 1:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/10/12 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.


Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.


That's good for the wildlife and marine life..... asshole.

Collateral damage don't matter so long as he's havin fun.

Meyer[_2_] August 10th 12 08:24 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/2012 1:47 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 1:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/10/12 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:14:51 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


Any 15 year old with some google skills and a nearby Home Depot can
make a bomb. Kids are blowing up mailboxes around here with 2 liter
bottles and bleach.


Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.


That's good for the wildlife and marine life..... asshole.



Uh, the "stuff" wasn't living, and the sandbars were covered by 6-10' of
seawater twice a day. Mostly we blew up milk cartons and empty
containers from canned goods, and when we were finished, we picked them
up and put them in the trash. We would have done the same for you.

You probably still have some shrapnel from the Campbells pork and beans
can still stuck in your brain.

iBoaterer[_2_] August 10th 12 09:07 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
In article ,
says...

On 8/10/2012 1:41 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 1:27 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:10:08 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Yeah, because there is no difference between kids blowing up mailboxes
and ex-military wackos blowing up federal office buildings.

The only difference is the target and the size of the bomb.


Oh, really? I used to blow up stuff on the sandbars at low tide with
cherry bombs. The difference is, it would never occur to me to blow up
an office building.

That is why I think it is more important to have crazy person control
than weapon control.

A crazy person will always find a weapon.



Do you know how difficult it is to "control" those you are calling
"crazy people"? How would you do it? It is not a trivial task, nor
should it be, to even commit someone for a three day psych evaluation.
Absent such an evaluation, what is your plan?



Half the time, those doing the evaluations are nuttier than the patients.


Or got their degree from some third rate diploma mill.......

jps August 10th 12 09:37 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:24:58 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:21:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:57:51 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:28:26 -0700, jps wrote:



Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
did in Wisconsin.

Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.

And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.

Maybe we should be spending a little more time figuring out why people
do these things instead of simply trying to put everything that could
be used as a weapon on a high shelf.

This is similar to the way we are handling airline security. Instead
of targeting terrorists, we target the last weapon they came up with.
That does absolutely nothing to stop the next weapon.


Guns are designed to kill. Box cutters are designed to open boxes.


Ammonium Nitrate was designed to be fertilizer. What's your point?


Something that's sole purpose in design is killing vs. anything else.

John H.[_5_] August 10th 12 10:05 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:37:57 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:24:58 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:21:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:57:51 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:28:26 -0700, jps wrote:



Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
did in Wisconsin.

Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.

And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.

Maybe we should be spending a little more time figuring out why people
do these things instead of simply trying to put everything that could
be used as a weapon on a high shelf.

This is similar to the way we are handling airline security. Instead
of targeting terrorists, we target the last weapon they came up with.
That does absolutely nothing to stop the next weapon.

Guns are designed to kill. Box cutters are designed to open boxes.


Ammonium Nitrate was designed to be fertilizer. What's your point?


Something that's sole purpose in design is killing vs. anything else.


So what's your solution, jps? Does continuous bitching in a boating newsgroup help solve the
problem?

X ` Man[_3_] August 10th 12 10:17 PM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/12 5:05 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:37:57 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:24:58 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:21:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:57:51 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:28:26 -0700, jps wrote:



Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
did in Wisconsin.

Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.

And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.

Maybe we should be spending a little more time figuring out why people
do these things instead of simply trying to put everything that could
be used as a weapon on a high shelf.

This is similar to the way we are handling airline security. Instead
of targeting terrorists, we target the last weapon they came up with.
That does absolutely nothing to stop the next weapon.

Guns are designed to kill. Box cutters are designed to open boxes.

Ammonium Nitrate was designed to be fertilizer. What's your point?


Something that's sole purpose in design is killing vs. anything else.


So what's your solution, jps? Does continuous bitching in a boating newsgroup help solve the
problem?


Does your continuous drooling in a boating newsgroup solve *anything* ?

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

jps August 11th 12 12:30 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:17:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/10/12 5:05 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:37:57 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:24:58 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:21:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:57:51 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:28:26 -0700, jps wrote:



Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
did in Wisconsin.

Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.

And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.

Maybe we should be spending a little more time figuring out why people
do these things instead of simply trying to put everything that could
be used as a weapon on a high shelf.

This is similar to the way we are handling airline security. Instead
of targeting terrorists, we target the last weapon they came up with.
That does absolutely nothing to stop the next weapon.

Guns are designed to kill. Box cutters are designed to open boxes.

Ammonium Nitrate was designed to be fertilizer. What's your point?

Something that's sole purpose in design is killing vs. anything else.


So what's your solution, jps? Does continuous bitching in a boating newsgroup help solve the
problem?


Does your continuous drooling in a boating newsgroup solve *anything* ?



Does Herring playing golf "solve anything?" Probably just frustrates
the **** out of him, confirms his lack of athleticism and furthers his
low self esteem.

That's the perfect opportunity to blame his failures on the black man.

Earl[_37_] August 11th 12 02:58 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
X ` Man wrote:
On 8/9/12 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:17:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Ban all knives!




You're probably stupid enough to believe that the Arizona mass shooting
by Loughner could have been duplicated with a knife.

--


Yeah, you need a bomb to do that kind of damage.


You have to be an ex-military rightie to do that, eh? You know, like
Tim McVeigh...

You can put your wide brush away anytime, Harry.

Earl[_37_] August 11th 12 03:01 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:

Aug 9 (Reuters) - The Tucson gunman who killed six people and severely
wounded Gabrielle Giffords has labeled himself a failure because the
former Arizona Congresswoman survived his rampage, according to a
prison psychologist's report released on Thursday.

The report's release comes two days after Jared Loughner, 23, in a
deal that will spare him the death penalty, pleaded guilty to six
murders and other charges stemming from his January 2011 shooting
spree at a Tucson supermarket.

Psychologist Christina Pietz, who evaluated Loughner at a federal
prison hospital in Missouri, said in the report that Loughner had
repeatedly made comments suggesting he thought Giffords died when he
shot her in the head.

At one time, he suggested he understood that Giffords was alive,
according to Pietz, who wrote that she pressed him on that point, and
he admitted to feeling disappointed in her survival because it meant
he "failed."

"I'm not an assassin," Pietz's report quoted Loughner, a community
college dropout, as saying.

Later on in the interview, he told Pietz: "Jared Loughner failed
again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."



Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!

What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Illicit drugs are banned. How's that working? The same scumbags are
using both!

Earl[_37_] August 11th 12 03:03 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
Meyer wrote:
On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:


Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!


What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.

And those without a history of mental deficiency.

Earl[_37_] August 11th 12 03:08 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:
Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!
What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.

No fair, you're not jps!

I really would like to see his solution.

He's a whiner with no solutions that make sense.

Earl[_37_] August 11th 12 03:12 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 12:09 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:

Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that
way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!

What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.


No fair, you're not jps!

I really would like to see his solution.



Simple. Since all the domestic terrorists who engage in mass gun
murders seem to be righties, round all the gun-owning righties up,
put them and their firearms into a huge fenced area in Arizona or
Texas, drop in huge amounts of ammo, whiskey, crank, bibles and
condoms (but no food or water) and come back in a month to see which
one is still alive. Shoot him. If any of those righties held decent
jobs, give those jobs to the jobless and to hard-working Mexicans.

Un-****ing-believable! You are insane, Harry.

Earl[_37_] August 11th 12 03:16 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
jps wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:57:51 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:28:26 -0700, jps wrote:


Doesn't require a lot of ambition to buy a gun, some ammo in order to
affect retribution on a smaller scale, such as the white supremecist
did in Wisconsin.

Any jackass with a mastercard and a sick mind can do it.

And for whomever says a car can do just as much harm, I doubt it'd fit
real easily inside a Mosque where old men are praying.

Maybe we should be spending a little more time figuring out why people
do these things instead of simply trying to put everything that could
be used as a weapon on a high shelf.

This is similar to the way we are handling airline security. Instead
of targeting terrorists, we target the last weapon they came up with.
That does absolutely nothing to stop the next weapon.

Guns are designed to kill. Box cutters are designed to open boxes.

Yet the latter took down four planes on September 11, 2001.

X ` Man[_3_] August 11th 12 03:29 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/12 10:03 PM, Earl wrote:
Meyer wrote:
On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:


Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!

What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.

And those without a history of mental deficiency.



So, you don't have a gun, right, Earliepoo?

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

JustWait[_2_] August 11th 12 03:39 AM

Oh yeah, we need more of this...
 
On 8/10/2012 10:12 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 12:09 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 8/10/2012 8:38 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:45:10 -0700, jps wrote:

Let's make tools designed to kill people widely available, that
way we
can be certain that they'll eventually fall into the hands of the
criminally insane. Ammo too!

What's your solution, jps?

Should this country ban all guns?

Laws and bans only affect law abiding citizens.

No fair, you're not jps!

I really would like to see his solution.



Simple. Since all the domestic terrorists who engage in mass gun
murders seem to be righties, round all the gun-owning righties up,
put them and their firearms into a huge fenced area in Arizona or
Texas, drop in huge amounts of ammo, whiskey, crank, bibles and
condoms (but no food or water) and come back in a month to see which
one is still alive. Shoot him. If any of those righties held decent
jobs, give those jobs to the jobless and to hard-working Mexicans.

Un-****ing-believable! You are insane, Harry.


The more we ignore him, the more insane he will get...


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