Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/21/2012 10:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:56:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/21/12 4:44 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:21:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


What's very clear is that Martin attacked Zimmerman for asking him a question. Martin initiated the violence. So if you asked someone a question and they started pounding your head into the pavement, you'd just let them, huh?

Please show the evidence that it's very clear that Martin attacked
Zimmerman first.

Show any evidence to the contrary.
It is the prosecution that has to prove their case.
Zimmerman has a presumption of innocence.
Without absolute proof from the state that Zimmerman's story is not
true, we are left with Zimmerman's story.
That is why Angie is trying to make the case that he got out of his
truck with the intent of shooting Martin and nothing else that
happened was important. It is all she has.
That is going to be a tough case to make and I doubt Scott really
expected a win, his knee was just jerking like everyone elses to "do
something"



Zimmerman has no credibility. The act of shooting an *unarmed man* on
the street, as opposed to a burglar breaking into your house, should be
enough for at least a manslaughter conviction. Martin was under no
obligation to respond to Zimmerman's demands. Under similar
circumstances, I would have told Zimmerman to **** off. Were Zimmerman,
however, in the uniform of a sworn policeman, I would have responded in
a polite manner.

You live in a crazy state.


You still assume Martin did not approach Zimmerman and punch him in
the nose in answer to "what are you doing here"?

Would you do that?

You would automatically open up with fighting words when you were a
visitor on private property?


Harry,"no balls"as his gangsta buddies call him, would never do such a
thing.

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/22/2012 8:56 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 7/21/2012 10:35 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:19:20 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/21/12 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:51:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/20/12 3:47 PM, wrote:
.

Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of
Zimmerman. I am
not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a
forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot
Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the
concrete.


Is that what Rush told you to say?

That is what the law says.



I'm betting Zimmerman cops a plea.

If he does, O'Mara is not earning his money. This is a very weak case
brought for purely political reasons. All he needs to do is stand on
the law and he walks. That is why they are stalling. Once the
elections are over and the news cycle moves on to more pressing things
(like the punk in Colorado) this thing will just go away. I still
doubt it even survives the immunity hearing.


No one is stalling. At Zimmerman's first bail hearing, the defense
waived the right to a speedy trial because he wouldn't be spending his
time on his butt in a cell. Zimmerman has shown himself to be a liar.
The immunity hearing will be interesting. When is it?

Again Z is out on bail, that he paid handsomely for. He is in no
hurry.
Once the media frenzy dies down and he can get a fair trial, he will
go for one.
I suspect that. by now, O'Mara's detectives have quite a dossier about
the "angel" Travonn Martin. I wonder how many unsolved burglaries got
thrown in his coffin by the N. Miami police before they buried him. We
still have not even heard about the disposition of the presumed stolen
jewelry Travonn had at school. His family never said it was theirs.
The police are under a gag order right now and at least one cop was
disciplined for a leak.

Floridians should be ashamed of themselves for allowing a law that
permits a hothead like Zimmerman to pick a fight, shoot and kill the guy
he attacked, and then being able to "stand his ground." It's far too
easy a law to abuse.

You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.

Maybe after all the investigating is done Martin will get a long jail
sentence posthumously. Zimmerman might even be a hero.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't using this event as an
election tool, that Martin was probably up to no good that night...

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/22/2012 6:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 7/21/2012 3:21 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:42:20 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article .com>,
says...
>
> On 7/21/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Friday, July 20, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:09:32 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > >In article >,
> >>> > says...
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:29:14 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> >In article >,
> >>> > >> says...
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:50:01 -0400, X ` Man >
> >>> > >> >> wrote:
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >> When you initiate a confrontation, as Zimmerman
> >>> > >> >> >did, you shouldn't be allowed to end it with a firearm and then claim
> >>> > >> >> >self-defense.
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >> That all assumes they can prove Zimmerman initiated it. Simply getting
> >>> > >> >> out of your car is not initiating a confrontation and that is all
> >>> > >> >> Corey is alleging he did in the indictment
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >Well the, why did he get out of the car? AND you're forgetting the phone
> >>> > >> >conversation Martin was having.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> He got out of the car to WATCH the person he called the cops on so he
> >>> > >> could point him out when they got there.
> >>> > >> Is getting out of your car a crime now? Corey seems to think so.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Bull****, he confronted Martin. His girlfriend heard it. Is looking at a
> >>> > >car a crime now? That's why you seem to think Zimmerman was justified in
> >>> > >killing Martin.
> >>> >
> >>> > What was the first thing the girlfriend said she heard between them?
> >>> >
> >>> > Hint, it was Martin addressing Zimmerman.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, asking Zimmerman what he wanted. If a strange man in the night
> >>> comes up to you, are you going to ask him his intentions or just stand
> >>> there and wait to see if he's going to rob you, hurt you, kill you, rape
> >>> you or whatever?
> >>> >
> >>> > Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am
> >>> > not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a
> >>> > forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot
> >>> > Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the
> >>> > concrete.
> >>>
> >>> Again, if a man attacked me in the middle of the night, I'd do the same
> >>> thing. It's called protecting yourself.
> >>
> >> So you'd pull a Zimmerman on someone that attacked you. It's good to know you've come around.
> >
> > Come around? I've said that from the very beginning that if someone
> > approached me in the middle of the night like Zimmerman did to Martin,
> > I'd have defended myself just like Martin presumably did.
> >
>
> The thing is, it wasn't in the middle of the night.

Yes it was.

> There is no evidence
> that Zimmerman did nothing more than ask the kid who he was and what he
> was doing on the property. What would be your reasonable "defense" to
> that action?

I'd tell him it's none of his ****ing business. BUT the fact is, as the
girlfriend stated, Zimmerman pushed Martin hard enough that his phone
headset fell.

> Apparently the kid's response and his suspicious activity involving
> parked cars led Zimmerman to ask the police to come and check the kid
> out. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? Zimmerman
> decided to keep an ey on the kid from a distance till the police
> arrived. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action"
> It seems that, at this point, a game of hide and seek started. Here is
> where it starts to get really interesting. Do you want to finish the story?

He didn't keep an eye on him "from a distance" he went up to Martin and
started messing with him, it's very clear from the phone call.

What's very clear is that Martin attacked Zimmerman for asking him a question. Martin initiated the violence. So if you asked someone a question and they started pounding your head into the pavement, you'd just let them, huh?

Please show the evidence that it's very clear that Martin attacked
Zimmerman first.


Taint no evedence that Zimmerman accosted or attacked the kid atol.

Sure there is, Martin's dead body.

Z was just shooting a distress shot in the air. Unfortunately, martin
suddenly got in the way.

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/22/2012 7:27 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/21/12 10:35 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:19:20 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/21/12 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:51:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/20/12 3:47 PM, wrote:
.

Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of
Zimmerman. I am
not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a
forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot
Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the
concrete.


Is that what Rush told you to say?

That is what the law says.



I'm betting Zimmerman cops a plea.

If he does, O'Mara is not earning his money. This is a very weak case
brought for purely political reasons. All he needs to do is stand on
the law and he walks. That is why they are stalling. Once the
elections are over and the news cycle moves on to more pressing things
(like the punk in Colorado) this thing will just go away. I still
doubt it even survives the immunity hearing.


No one is stalling. At Zimmerman's first bail hearing, the defense
waived the right to a speedy trial because he wouldn't be spending his
time on his butt in a cell. Zimmerman has shown himself to be a liar.
The immunity hearing will be interesting. When is it?

Again Z is out on bail, that he paid handsomely for. He is in no
hurry.
Once the media frenzy dies down and he can get a fair trial, he will
go for one.
I suspect that. by now, O'Mara's detectives have quite a dossier about
the "angel" Travonn Martin. I wonder how many unsolved burglaries got
thrown in his coffin by the N. Miami police before they buried him. We
still have not even heard about the disposition of the presumed stolen
jewelry Travonn had at school. His family never said it was theirs.
The police are under a gag order right now and at least one cop was
disciplined for a leak.

Floridians should be ashamed of themselves for allowing a law that
permits a hothead like Zimmerman to pick a fight, shoot and kill the guy
he attacked, and then being able to "stand his ground." It's far too
easy a law to abuse.

You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.



Zimmerman is a known hothead with a reputation for exploding and now, a
known liar. There's no reason to give credence to anything he says or
claims.

That sure makes Greg's case about jumping to conclusions.
Harry, you never disappoint. You are a consistent fool.

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/22/2012 6:54 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
http://vveasey.hubpages.com/hub/Why-...ot-And-Killed-
By-George-Zimmerman

You read the darnedest nonsense fella. Iboaterer would have been an
inspiration for Art Linkletter to do a TV show.

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/22/2012 6:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:56:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/21/12 4:44 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:21:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


What's very clear is that Martin attacked Zimmerman for asking him a question. Martin initiated the violence. So if you asked someone a question and they started pounding your head into the pavement, you'd just let them, huh?

Please show the evidence that it's very clear that Martin attacked
Zimmerman first.

Show any evidence to the contrary.
It is the prosecution that has to prove their case.
Zimmerman has a presumption of innocence.
Without absolute proof from the state that Zimmerman's story is not
true, we are left with Zimmerman's story.
That is why Angie is trying to make the case that he got out of his
truck with the intent of shooting Martin and nothing else that
happened was important. It is all she has.
That is going to be a tough case to make and I doubt Scott really
expected a win, his knee was just jerking like everyone elses to "do
something"



Zimmerman has no credibility. The act of shooting an *unarmed man* on
the street, as opposed to a burglar breaking into your house, should be
enough for at least a manslaughter conviction. Martin was under no
obligation to respond to Zimmerman's demands. Under similar
circumstances, I would have told Zimmerman to **** off. Were Zimmerman,
however, in the uniform of a sworn policeman, I would have responded in
a polite manner.

You live in a crazy state.


You still assume Martin did not approach Zimmerman and punch him in
the nose in answer to "what are you doing here"?

Would you do that?

You would automatically open up with fighting words when you were a
visitor on private property?

Yes, when some stranger was approaching me in the dark.


I wonder if Martin would have treated an elderly woman the same as
Zimmerman in the same circumstances? I'll bet he would.

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/22/2012 6:47 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:19:20 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/21/12 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:51:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/20/12 3:47 PM, wrote:
.

Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am
not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a
forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot
Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the
concrete.


Is that what Rush told you to say?

That is what the law says.



I'm betting Zimmerman cops a plea.

If he does, O'Mara is not earning his money. This is a very weak case
brought for purely political reasons. All he needs to do is stand on
the law and he walks. That is why they are stalling. Once the
elections are over and the news cycle moves on to more pressing things
(like the punk in Colorado) this thing will just go away. I still
doubt it even survives the immunity hearing.


No one is stalling. At Zimmerman's first bail hearing, the defense
waived the right to a speedy trial because he wouldn't be spending his
time on his butt in a cell. Zimmerman has shown himself to be a liar.
The immunity hearing will be interesting. When is it?

Again Z is out on bail, that he paid handsomely for. He is in no
hurry.
Once the media frenzy dies down and he can get a fair trial, he will
go for one.
I suspect that. by now, O'Mara's detectives have quite a dossier about
the "angel" Travonn Martin. I wonder how many unsolved burglaries got
thrown in his coffin by the N. Miami police before they buried him. We
still have not even heard about the disposition of the presumed stolen
jewelry Travonn had at school. His family never said it was theirs.
The police are under a gag order right now and at least one cop was
disciplined for a leak.

Floridians should be ashamed of themselves for allowing a law that
permits a hothead like Zimmerman to pick a fight, shoot and kill the guy
he attacked, and then being able to "stand his ground." It's far too
easy a law to abuse.

You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.

Then why did Zimmerman get out of his car? By the way, he's given two
different answers to that already.

Maybe he had two reasons. But that wouldn't occur to someone like you
with razor sharp focus.

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/22/2012 9:42 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 7/22/2012 6:54 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
http://vveasey.hubpages.com/hub/Why-...ot-And-Killed-
By-George-Zimmerman

You read the darnedest nonsense fella. Iboaterer would have been an
inspiration for Art Linkletter to do a TV show.

Holy crap, now he is following hysterical fiction writers... LOL!!!

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

On 7/22/2012 6:44 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:51:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/20/12 3:47 PM, wrote:
.

Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am
not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a
forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot
Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the
concrete.


Is that what Rush told you to say?

That is what the law says.



I'm betting Zimmerman cops a plea.

If he does, O'Mara is not earning his money. This is a very weak case
brought for purely political reasons. All he needs to do is stand on
the law and he walks. That is why they are stalling. Once the
elections are over and the news cycle moves on to more pressing things
(like the punk in Colorado) this thing will just go away. I still
doubt it even survives the immunity hearing.

Just what "political reasons"?

It's all about restless natives being stirred up by a couple of PINOs.
Thank God they were unsuccessful.

Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 

In article , says...

On 7/22/2012 8:56 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 7/21/2012 10:35 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:19:20 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/21/12 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:51:53 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/20/12 3:47 PM, wrote:
.

Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of
Zimmerman. I am
not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a
forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot
Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the
concrete.


Is that what Rush told you to say?

That is what the law says.



I'm betting Zimmerman cops a plea.

If he does, O'Mara is not earning his money. This is a very weak case
brought for purely political reasons. All he needs to do is stand on
the law and he walks. That is why they are stalling. Once the
elections are over and the news cycle moves on to more pressing things
(like the punk in Colorado) this thing will just go away. I still
doubt it even survives the immunity hearing.


No one is stalling. At Zimmerman's first bail hearing, the defense
waived the right to a speedy trial because he wouldn't be spending his
time on his butt in a cell. Zimmerman has shown himself to be a liar.
The immunity hearing will be interesting. When is it?

Again Z is out on bail, that he paid handsomely for. He is in no
hurry.
Once the media frenzy dies down and he can get a fair trial, he will
go for one.
I suspect that. by now, O'Mara's detectives have quite a dossier about
the "angel" Travonn Martin. I wonder how many unsolved burglaries got
thrown in his coffin by the N. Miami police before they buried him. We
still have not even heard about the disposition of the presumed stolen
jewelry Travonn had at school. His family never said it was theirs.
The police are under a gag order right now and at least one cop was
disciplined for a leak.

Floridians should be ashamed of themselves for allowing a law that
permits a hothead like Zimmerman to pick a fight, shoot and kill the guy
he attacked, and then being able to "stand his ground." It's far too
easy a law to abuse.

You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.

Maybe after all the investigating is done Martin will get a long jail
sentence posthumously. Zimmerman might even be a hero.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't using this event as an
election tool, that Martin was probably up to no good that night...

Up to no good in your mind means that it's a good thing he's dead? And
speaking of such, you have defended Christianity here, so tell me, do
you really think that God wanted Martin dead like Zimmerman said? Oh,
and just to show your insanity, how is anyone using this case "as an
election tool"?