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iBoaterer[_2_] July 22nd 12 08:12 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:45:13 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


You are making up a scenario in your mind that has never been
suggested by any witness or by the physical evidence,.

Zimmerman says Martin approached him and there is nobody or nothing to
dispute it. Zimmerman is the one with the presumption of innocence and
the state has to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that his story is
not true.

That there is no one pre trial doesn't make it true. And yes, there is
evidence that he approached Martin. The phone call.

Cite that?
Martin spoke first and he never said, "this guy is coming up to me"

He said some guy was following him.

iBoaterer[_2_] July 22nd 12 08:12 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:45:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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The law says that Martin was "beating the **** out of Zimmerman'??? What
about Zimmerman's assault of Martin?

What assault? Nobody ever saw Zimmerman assault martin and martin
showed no signs of an assault. He had bloody fists from hitting
Zimmerman but no signs he was ever hit.

And no one saw Martin initiate an assault on Zimmerman.

Then we are left with the physical evidence. Martin had bloody fists
and Zimmerman had a broken nose.

No we aren't.

iBoaterer[_2_] July 22nd 12 08:13 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:47:45 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...


You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.

Then why did Zimmerman get out of his car? By the way, he's given two
different answers to that already.

It was in his police statement and the phone call. He wanted to watch
Martin until the cops got there "because these punks always get away"

That's THREE different reasons then, thanks!

iBoaterer[_2_] July 22nd 12 08:15 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:48:36 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 08:40:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Come around? I've said that from the very beginning that if someone
approached me in the middle of the night like Zimmerman did to Martin,
I'd have defended myself just like Martin presumably did.

Then you would go to jail. "Self defense" is one shove or punch. The
second punch is battery if you can not demonstrate that the danger was
not mitigated.
I know a guy who did 7 years in a Maryland prison for killing an
intruder IN HIS HOUSE with one punch so that is not even always a
defense. They said he should have run away and called the police.

Martin did try to leave, that's in the phone call.


cite that.

"Florida prosecutors have released a trove of documents, photographs and
audio recordings revealing new details about the night George Zimmerman
shot dead the unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida. We
broadcast excerpts of the chilling recording of a prosecutor?s interview
with Trayvon?s girlfriend. She and Trayvon were talking on the phone in
the moments leading up to his death. "I know he was scared," the girl
recounts. "I told him, 'Keep running!' ... He told me the guy was
getting real close to him. And the next I hear is [Trayvon saying], 'Why
are you following me for?' ? I heard this man... say, 'What are you
doing around here?' ... And I call Trayvon, 'Trayon, what's going on?
What?s going on?? ... Then, I am calling him and he didn?t answer...You
could hear someone had bumped Trayvon...I was still screaming, I was
saying, 'Trayvon! Trayvon!'...And then the next thing the phone just
shut off."

X ` Man[_3_] July 22nd 12 08:20 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
On 7/22/12 3:02 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:47:45 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
 says...


You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.

Then why did Zimmerman get out of his car? By the way, he's given two
different answers to that already.

It was in his police statement and the phone call. He wanted to watch
Martin until the cops got there "because these punks always get away"




Zimmerman was the one with the arrest record. He was the punk.

X ` Man[_3_] July 22nd 12 08:21 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
On 7/22/12 3:15 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:27:33 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/21/12 10:35 PM, wrote:

You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.



Zimmerman is a known hothead with a reputation for exploding and now, a
known liar. There's no reason to give credence to anything he says or
claims.

Actually his wife is the only one charged with lying.


And that means Zimmerman hasn't lied to the authorities?

Meyer[_2_] July 22nd 12 08:41 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
On 7/22/2012 3:20 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/22/12 3:02 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:47:45 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
 says...


You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.

Then why did Zimmerman get out of his car? By the way, he's given two
different answers to that already.

It was in his police statement and the phone call. He wanted to watch
Martin until the cops got there "because these punks always get away"




Zimmerman was the one with the arrest record. He was the punk.

You're the one with all the guns and most likely to be the next shooter
in Huntingtown Md.
My logic works just as well as yours and probably better

iBoaterer[_2_] July 23rd 12 01:07 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:12:14 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...


Cite that?
Martin spoke first and he never said, "this guy is coming up to me"

He said some guy was following him.

Following is not approaching

Oh, man.......

iBoaterer[_2_] July 23rd 12 01:08 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:54:57 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:21:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...


What's very clear is that Martin attacked Zimmerman for asking him a question. Martin initiated the violence. So if you asked someone a question and they started pounding your head into the pavement, you'd just let them, huh?

Please show the evidence that it's very clear that Martin attacked
Zimmerman first.

Show any evidence to the contrary.
It is the prosecution that has to prove their case.
Zimmerman has a presumption of innocence.
Without absolute proof from the state that Zimmerman's story is not
true, we are left with Zimmerman's story.
That is why Angie is trying to make the case that he got out of his
truck with the intent of shooting Martin and nothing else that
happened was important. It is all she has.
That is going to be a tough case to make and I doubt Scott really
expected a win, his knee was just jerking like everyone elses to "do
something"

Gee, you can't can you?

Zimmerman has the presumption of innocence and it is up to Corey to
prove his story is not true. That is why she is going for the thought
crime prosecution.

And he will be convicted despite what FOX says.

iBoaterer[_2_] July 23rd 12 01:08 PM
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:27:33 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/21/12 10:35 PM, wrote:

You and "Ineverboat" seem to be assuming Zimmerman picked the fight
with absolutely no evidence so far that it is true. When you start
with a scenario that is not true, it is easy to jump to the wrong
conclusion.



Zimmerman is a known hothead with a reputation for exploding and now, a
known liar. There's no reason to give credence to anything he says or
claims.

Actually his wife is the only one charged with lying.

The only one charged, but the judged did admonish HIM for lying.


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