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In article ,
says... On Friday, July 20, 2012 6:04:24 PM UTC-4, jps wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:17:39 -0400, wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:07:31 -0700, jps > wrote: > >>The police dispatcher told him specifically that he "didn't need to do >>that" when she realized he was running after Trayvon. His negligent >>actions ended up with the death of a 17 year old kid. > >Since when is "you don't need to do" something the same as "don't do >it"? Actually, IIRC, she said "we don't need you to do that" which is a polite way of saying stand the **** down. Language has meaning. If she had a reason, or the legal ground, to say "Do not follow him", she would have been trained to do just that. After all, supposedly the dispatchers and police departments knew him very well, right? You're trying too hard to turn it into something it's not. Bull****, she was a dispatcher not a lawyer or a police officer. |
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
On 7/21/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Friday, July 20, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article > , says... > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:09:32 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > > >In article > , > says... > >> > >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:29:14 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > >> > >> >In article > , > >> says... > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:50:01 -0400, X ` Man > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> When you initiate a confrontation, as Zimmerman > >> >> >did, you shouldn't be allowed to end it with a firearm and then claim > >> >> >self-defense. > >> >> > >> >> That all assumes they can prove Zimmerman initiated it. Simply getting > >> >> out of your car is not initiating a confrontation and that is all > >> >> Corey is alleging he did in the indictment > >> > > >> >Well the, why did he get out of the car? AND you're forgetting the phone > >> >conversation Martin was having. > >> > >> He got out of the car to WATCH the person he called the cops on so he > >> could point him out when they got there. > >> Is getting out of your car a crime now? Corey seems to think so. > > > >Bull****, he confronted Martin. His girlfriend heard it. Is looking at a > >car a crime now? That's why you seem to think Zimmerman was justified in > >killing Martin. > > What was the first thing the girlfriend said she heard between them? > > Hint, it was Martin addressing Zimmerman. Yes, asking Zimmerman what he wanted. If a strange man in the night comes up to you, are you going to ask him his intentions or just stand there and wait to see if he's going to rob you, hurt you, kill you, rape you or whatever? > > Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am > not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a > forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot > Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the > concrete. Again, if a man attacked me in the middle of the night, I'd do the same thing. It's called protecting yourself. So you'd pull a Zimmerman on someone that attacked you. It's good to know you've come around. Come around? I've said that from the very beginning that if someone approached me in the middle of the night like Zimmerman did to Martin, I'd have defended myself just like Martin presumably did. The thing is, it wasn't in the middle of the night. There is no evidence that Zimmerman did nothing more than ask the kid who he was and what he was doing on the property. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? Apparently the kid's response and his suspicious activity involving parked cars led Zimmerman to ask the police to come and check the kid out. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? Zimmerman decided to keep an ey on the kid from a distance till the police arrived. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action" It seems that, at this point, a game of hide and seek started. Here is where it starts to get really interesting. Do you want to finish the story? |
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
On 7/21/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Friday, July 20, 2012 6:04:24 PM UTC-4, jps wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:17:39 -0400, wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:07:31 -0700, jps > wrote: > >>The police dispatcher told him specifically that he "didn't need to do >>that" when she realized he was running after Trayvon. His negligent >>actions ended up with the death of a 17 year old kid. > >Since when is "you don't need to do" something the same as "don't do >it"? Actually, IIRC, she said "we don't need you to do that" which is a polite way of saying stand the **** down. Language has meaning. If she had a reason, or the legal ground, to say "Do not follow him", she would have been trained to do just that. After all, supposedly the dispatchers and police departments knew him very well, right? You're trying too hard to turn it into something it's not. Bull****, she was a dispatcher not a lawyer or a police officer. Bingo! |
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
In article m,
says... On 7/21/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Friday, July 20, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article > , says... > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:09:32 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > > >In article > , > says... > >> > >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:29:14 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > >> > >> >In article > , > >> says... > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:50:01 -0400, X ` Man > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> When you initiate a confrontation, as Zimmerman > >> >> >did, you shouldn't be allowed to end it with a firearm and then claim > >> >> >self-defense. > >> >> > >> >> That all assumes they can prove Zimmerman initiated it. Simply getting > >> >> out of your car is not initiating a confrontation and that is all > >> >> Corey is alleging he did in the indictment > >> > > >> >Well the, why did he get out of the car? AND you're forgetting the phone > >> >conversation Martin was having. > >> > >> He got out of the car to WATCH the person he called the cops on so he > >> could point him out when they got there. > >> Is getting out of your car a crime now? Corey seems to think so. > > > >Bull****, he confronted Martin. His girlfriend heard it. Is looking at a > >car a crime now? That's why you seem to think Zimmerman was justified in > >killing Martin. > > What was the first thing the girlfriend said she heard between them? > > Hint, it was Martin addressing Zimmerman. Yes, asking Zimmerman what he wanted. If a strange man in the night comes up to you, are you going to ask him his intentions or just stand there and wait to see if he's going to rob you, hurt you, kill you, rape you or whatever? > > Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am > not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a > forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot > Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the > concrete. Again, if a man attacked me in the middle of the night, I'd do the same thing. It's called protecting yourself. So you'd pull a Zimmerman on someone that attacked you. It's good to know you've come around. Come around? I've said that from the very beginning that if someone approached me in the middle of the night like Zimmerman did to Martin, I'd have defended myself just like Martin presumably did. The thing is, it wasn't in the middle of the night. Yes it was. There is no evidence that Zimmerman did nothing more than ask the kid who he was and what he was doing on the property. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? I'd tell him it's none of his ****ing business. BUT the fact is, as the girlfriend stated, Zimmerman pushed Martin hard enough that his phone headset fell. Apparently the kid's response and his suspicious activity involving parked cars led Zimmerman to ask the police to come and check the kid out. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? Zimmerman decided to keep an ey on the kid from a distance till the police arrived. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action" It seems that, at this point, a game of hide and seek started. Here is where it starts to get really interesting. Do you want to finish the story? He didn't keep an eye on him "from a distance" he went up to Martin and started messing with him, it's very clear from the phone call. |
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
On 7/21/2012 10:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m, says... On 7/21/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Friday, July 20, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article > , says... > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:09:32 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > > >In article > , > says... > >> > >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:29:14 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > >> > >> >In article > , > >> says... > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:50:01 -0400, X ` Man > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> When you initiate a confrontation, as Zimmerman > >> >> >did, you shouldn't be allowed to end it with a firearm and then claim > >> >> >self-defense. > >> >> > >> >> That all assumes they can prove Zimmerman initiated it. Simply getting > >> >> out of your car is not initiating a confrontation and that is all > >> >> Corey is alleging he did in the indictment > >> > > >> >Well the, why did he get out of the car? AND you're forgetting the phone > >> >conversation Martin was having. > >> > >> He got out of the car to WATCH the person he called the cops on so he > >> could point him out when they got there. > >> Is getting out of your car a crime now? Corey seems to think so. > > > >Bull****, he confronted Martin. His girlfriend heard it. Is looking at a > >car a crime now? That's why you seem to think Zimmerman was justified in > >killing Martin. > > What was the first thing the girlfriend said she heard between them? > > Hint, it was Martin addressing Zimmerman. Yes, asking Zimmerman what he wanted. If a strange man in the night comes up to you, are you going to ask him his intentions or just stand there and wait to see if he's going to rob you, hurt you, kill you, rape you or whatever? > > Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am > not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a > forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot > Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the > concrete. Again, if a man attacked me in the middle of the night, I'd do the same thing. It's called protecting yourself. So you'd pull a Zimmerman on someone that attacked you. It's good to know you've come around. Come around? I've said that from the very beginning that if someone approached me in the middle of the night like Zimmerman did to Martin, I'd have defended myself just like Martin presumably did. The thing is, it wasn't in the middle of the night. Yes it was. There is no evidence that Zimmerman did nothing more than ask the kid who he was and what he was doing on the property. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? I'd tell him it's none of his ****ing business. BUT the fact is, as the girlfriend stated, Zimmerman pushed Martin hard enough that his phone headset fell. Apparently the kid's response and his suspicious activity involving parked cars led Zimmerman to ask the police to come and check the kid out. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? Zimmerman decided to keep an ey on the kid from a distance till the police arrived. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action" It seems that, at this point, a game of hide and seek started. Here is where it starts to get really interesting. Do you want to finish the story? He didn't keep an eye on him "from a distance" he went up to Martin and started messing with him, it's very clear from the phone call. Try to follow the chronology of events. |
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
In article m,
says... On 7/21/2012 10:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article m, says... On 7/21/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Friday, July 20, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article > , says... > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:09:32 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > > >In article > , > says... > >> > >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:29:14 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > >> > >> >In article > , > >> says... > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:50:01 -0400, X ` Man > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> When you initiate a confrontation, as Zimmerman > >> >> >did, you shouldn't be allowed to end it with a firearm and then claim > >> >> >self-defense. > >> >> > >> >> That all assumes they can prove Zimmerman initiated it. Simply getting > >> >> out of your car is not initiating a confrontation and that is all > >> >> Corey is alleging he did in the indictment > >> > > >> >Well the, why did he get out of the car? AND you're forgetting the phone > >> >conversation Martin was having. > >> > >> He got out of the car to WATCH the person he called the cops on so he > >> could point him out when they got there. > >> Is getting out of your car a crime now? Corey seems to think so. > > > >Bull****, he confronted Martin. His girlfriend heard it. Is looking at a > >car a crime now? That's why you seem to think Zimmerman was justified in > >killing Martin. > > What was the first thing the girlfriend said she heard between them? > > Hint, it was Martin addressing Zimmerman. Yes, asking Zimmerman what he wanted. If a strange man in the night comes up to you, are you going to ask him his intentions or just stand there and wait to see if he's going to rob you, hurt you, kill you, rape you or whatever? > > Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am > not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a > forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot > Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the > concrete. Again, if a man attacked me in the middle of the night, I'd do the same thing. It's called protecting yourself. So you'd pull a Zimmerman on someone that attacked you. It's good to know you've come around. Come around? I've said that from the very beginning that if someone approached me in the middle of the night like Zimmerman did to Martin, I'd have defended myself just like Martin presumably did. The thing is, it wasn't in the middle of the night. Yes it was. There is no evidence that Zimmerman did nothing more than ask the kid who he was and what he was doing on the property. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? I'd tell him it's none of his ****ing business. BUT the fact is, as the girlfriend stated, Zimmerman pushed Martin hard enough that his phone headset fell. Apparently the kid's response and his suspicious activity involving parked cars led Zimmerman to ask the police to come and check the kid out. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? Zimmerman decided to keep an ey on the kid from a distance till the police arrived. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action" It seems that, at this point, a game of hide and seek started. Here is where it starts to get really interesting. Do you want to finish the story? He didn't keep an eye on him "from a distance" he went up to Martin and started messing with him, it's very clear from the phone call. Try to follow the chronology of events. You are delusional. |
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
On Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:42:20 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article .com>, says... > > On 7/21/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote: > > In article >, > > says... > >> > >> On Friday, July 20, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: > >>> In article >, > >>> says... > >>> > > >>> > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:09:32 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > >>> > > >>> > >In article >, > >>> > says... > >>> > >> > >>> > >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:29:14 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> > >> >In article >, > >>> > >> says... > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:50:01 -0400, X ` Man > > >>> > >> >> wrote: > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> When you initiate a confrontation, as Zimmerman > >>> > >> >> >did, you shouldn't be allowed to end it with a firearm and then claim > >>> > >> >> >self-defense. > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> That all assumes they can prove Zimmerman initiated it. Simply getting > >>> > >> >> out of your car is not initiating a confrontation and that is all > >>> > >> >> Corey is alleging he did in the indictment > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> >Well the, why did he get out of the car? AND you're forgetting the phone > >>> > >> >conversation Martin was having. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> He got out of the car to WATCH the person he called the cops on so he > >>> > >> could point him out when they got there. > >>> > >> Is getting out of your car a crime now? Corey seems to think so. > >>> > > > >>> > >Bull****, he confronted Martin. His girlfriend heard it. Is looking at a > >>> > >car a crime now? That's why you seem to think Zimmerman was justified in > >>> > >killing Martin. > >>> > > >>> > What was the first thing the girlfriend said she heard between them? > >>> > > >>> > Hint, it was Martin addressing Zimmerman. > >>> > >>> Yes, asking Zimmerman what he wanted. If a strange man in the night > >>> comes up to you, are you going to ask him his intentions or just stand > >>> there and wait to see if he's going to rob you, hurt you, kill you, rape > >>> you or whatever? > >>> > > >>> > Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am > >>> > not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a > >>> > forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot > >>> > Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the > >>> > concrete. > >>> > >>> Again, if a man attacked me in the middle of the night, I'd do the same > >>> thing. It's called protecting yourself. > >> > >> So you'd pull a Zimmerman on someone that attacked you. It's good to know you've come around. > > > > Come around? I've said that from the very beginning that if someone > > approached me in the middle of the night like Zimmerman did to Martin, > > I'd have defended myself just like Martin presumably did. > > > > The thing is, it wasn't in the middle of the night. Yes it was. > There is no evidence > that Zimmerman did nothing more than ask the kid who he was and what he > was doing on the property. What would be your reasonable "defense" to > that action? I'd tell him it's none of his ****ing business. BUT the fact is, as the girlfriend stated, Zimmerman pushed Martin hard enough that his phone headset fell. > Apparently the kid's response and his suspicious activity involving > parked cars led Zimmerman to ask the police to come and check the kid > out. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? Zimmerman > decided to keep an ey on the kid from a distance till the police > arrived. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action" > It seems that, at this point, a game of hide and seek started. Here is > where it starts to get really interesting. Do you want to finish the story? He didn't keep an eye on him "from a distance" he went up to Martin and started messing with him, it's very clear from the phone call. What's very clear is that Martin attacked Zimmerman for asking him a question. Martin initiated the violence. So if you asked someone a question and they started pounding your head into the pavement, you'd just let them, huh? |
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On Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:40:40 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article >, says... > > On Friday, July 20, 2012 6:04:24 PM UTC-4, jps wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:17:39 -0400, wrote: > > > > >On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:07:31 -0700, jps > wrote: > > > > > >>The police dispatcher told him specifically that he "didn't need to do > > >>that" when she realized he was running after Trayvon. His negligent > > >>actions ended up with the death of a 17 year old kid. > > > > > >Since when is "you don't need to do" something the same as "don't do > > >it"? > > > > Actually, IIRC, she said "we don't need you to do that" which is a > > polite way of saying stand the **** down. > > Language has meaning. If she had a reason, or the legal ground, to say "Do not follow him", she would have been trained to do just that. After all, supposedly the dispatchers and police departments knew him very well, right? > > You're trying too hard to turn it into something it's not. Bull****, she was a dispatcher not a lawyer or a police officer. And there you go, now we agree that Zimmerman had no instruction not to follow Martin from anyone who has any authority. And BTW, police dispatchers are highly trained. More so than you. |
Obviously, credibility is not an issue...
In article ,
says... On Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:42:20 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article .com>, says... > > On 7/21/2012 8:40 AM, iBoaterer wrote: > > In article >, > > says... > >> > >> On Friday, July 20, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: > >>> In article >, > >>> says... > >>> > > >>> > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:09:32 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > >>> > > >>> > >In article >, > >>> > says... > >>> > >> > >>> > >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:29:14 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> > >> >In article >, > >>> > >> says... > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:50:01 -0400, X ` Man > > >>> > >> >> wrote: > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> When you initiate a confrontation, as Zimmerman > >>> > >> >> >did, you shouldn't be allowed to end it with a firearm and then claim > >>> > >> >> >self-defense. > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> That all assumes they can prove Zimmerman initiated it. Simply getting > >>> > >> >> out of your car is not initiating a confrontation and that is all > >>> > >> >> Corey is alleging he did in the indictment > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> >Well the, why did he get out of the car? AND you're forgetting the phone > >>> > >> >conversation Martin was having. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> He got out of the car to WATCH the person he called the cops on so he > >>> > >> could point him out when they got there. > >>> > >> Is getting out of your car a crime now? Corey seems to think so. > >>> > > > >>> > >Bull****, he confronted Martin. His girlfriend heard it. Is looking at a > >>> > >car a crime now? That's why you seem to think Zimmerman was justified in > >>> > >killing Martin. > >>> > > >>> > What was the first thing the girlfriend said she heard between them? > >>> > > >>> > Hint, it was Martin addressing Zimmerman. > >>> > >>> Yes, asking Zimmerman what he wanted. If a strange man in the night > >>> comes up to you, are you going to ask him his intentions or just stand > >>> there and wait to see if he's going to rob you, hurt you, kill you, rape > >>> you or whatever? > >>> > > >>> > Martin was shot because he was beating the **** out of Zimmerman. I am > >>> > not sure what the law is where you live but aggravated battery is a > >>> > forcible felony in Florida and a bystander could have legally shot > >>> > Martin if they came up on him beating Zimmerman's head on the > >>> > concrete. > >>> > >>> Again, if a man attacked me in the middle of the night, I'd do the same > >>> thing. It's called protecting yourself. > >> > >> So you'd pull a Zimmerman on someone that attacked you. It's good to know you've come around. > > > > Come around? I've said that from the very beginning that if someone > > approached me in the middle of the night like Zimmerman did to Martin, > > I'd have defended myself just like Martin presumably did. > > > > The thing is, it wasn't in the middle of the night. Yes it was. > There is no evidence > that Zimmerman did nothing more than ask the kid who he was and what he > was doing on the property. What would be your reasonable "defense" to > that action? I'd tell him it's none of his ****ing business. BUT the fact is, as the girlfriend stated, Zimmerman pushed Martin hard enough that his phone headset fell. > Apparently the kid's response and his suspicious activity involving > parked cars led Zimmerman to ask the police to come and check the kid > out. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action? Zimmerman > decided to keep an ey on the kid from a distance till the police > arrived. What would be your reasonable "defense" to that action" > It seems that, at this point, a game of hide and seek started. Here is > where it starts to get really interesting. Do you want to finish the story? He didn't keep an eye on him "from a distance" he went up to Martin and started messing with him, it's very clear from the phone call. What's very clear is that Martin attacked Zimmerman for asking him a question. Martin initiated the violence. So if you asked someone a question and they started pounding your head into the pavement, you'd just let them, huh? Please show the evidence that it's very clear that Martin attacked Zimmerman first. |
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