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On 05/06/2012 6:07 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/5/12 7:49 PM, North Star wrote:
To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and
the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60
hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the
basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or
tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger
motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will
make the boat easier to resell in the future.
I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be
good enough.
Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup.


Why is your dealer suggesting a "big foot" outboard?

Pretty obvious, big price.
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:49:56 -0400, Oscar wrote:

Why are you fixated on aluminum boats?

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I would imagine because of towing weight issues with the RAV-4.

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On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Jun 5, 9:36*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:21:53 -0700 (PDT), North Star

wrote:
Here's the model I'm talking about... * * *http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur

===

If you are looking for a boat that will keep you warm, dry and
comfortable going through a chop on a breezy day, that is not it.

The walk through windshield models come with a full standup top and
side curtains.
They claim you can run full speed with this top up so that should keep
the wife nice & warm during our short boating season. (4-5 months)
Dealer claims he uses his boat 6 months because of this feature.
(Also that little cover for the bow space)
http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/features scroll down to
full top.

===

Yes, full canvas will make a big difference with warm and dry. Boats
under 22 ft or so have a difficult time getting through a stiff chop
however.

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On 6/6/2012 10:49 AM, North Star wrote:


I may still opt for the little boat with a 40 hp 4 stroke that only
has a hull weight of 600 lbs.
I'll have to board it and see if it fits. The wife of course thinks
bigger is better.... she's a bit nervous on the water and really just
wants to invite her friends and workmates out for afternoon cruises
where I would rather tow to interesting places (bays, harbours and
lakes) that seem interesting.
As we used to say with trailerable sailboats... we can run upwind at
60 mph on the highway a lot faster than we could sail to various
sites.
http://legendboats.com/en/boats/allsport/summary

Absolutely the wrong tool for the job. Better to drive a little slower,
closer, and spend more gas than buy a boat that won't/can't do what you
want it to do.

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On 05/06/2012 6:44 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/5/2012 8:16 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 5, 9:07 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 6/5/12 7:49 PM, North Star wrote:

To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and
the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60
hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the
basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or
tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger
motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will
make the boat easier to resell in the future.
I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be
good enough.
Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup.

Why is your dealer suggesting a "big foot" outboard?

He's just spouting the company line.
If you look at the Legend site and check out the 16 Xcalibur, you'll
see that the boat manufacturer recommends the 60 bigfoot.... which I
always thought was for pontoon or displacement type boats.
The local guy also mentioned that the lower end would be heavier
duty... comparable to the lower ends on 75s.

There's a lot more to it than that really... and as much as I would love
to say nothing I will simply say this: Nobody ever hated their boat for
being overpowered, at the same there is nothing more aggravating or
frustrating than a underpowered boat.

As a kid my favorite fishing boat on an inland lake was a 9.9 hp Johnson
on a 18 foot aluminum boat rated for something like 40hp.

Sure, it was slow, but that was its advantage. 5 gallons of gas lasted
forever, and you could slow and deep troll in a way a 40 hp never could.

I used to get a kick out of idiots trolling with 90hp and didn't catch
much as I was reeling in a big walleye.

But admit, it was rare we went more than 5 miles from the cottage, it
was a 38 mile long lake. But great for +-5 miles either way.

About the only assured thing I would do without knowing what the boat is
going to be used for it that it would be 4 stroke for sure. Never did
like putzing with oil in the gas for 2 stroke.

--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.

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On 05/06/2012 7:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:49:38 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and
the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60
hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the
basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or
tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger
motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will
make the boat easier to resell in the future.
I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be
good enough.
Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup.

If you are lugging the extra weight of a mid range 4 stroke around why
not buy the 60. The 50 is the same motor, throttled down by the
computer.
I am surprised they can even sell a 2 stroke these days.

I suppose you know that 4 stroke is a chinese motor.

In some places you can't buy a 2 stroke any more. But usually how the
two strokes get nailed is on emissions and not specifically on 2 stroke.
Makes sense too.

Which also means 2 stroke makers are under pressure to reduce oil
consumption and possibly at the cost of engine longevity. So for that
reason alone be good enough to consider only a 4 stroke.

Personally, I think 2 stroke should be banned for anything over 5 hp.

Who gives a damn if it is Chinese or other? I would think an
intelligent buyer would be more concerned on reliability, longevity,
fuel consumption, future service needs and other more higher priorities.

Interesting table in soem engines:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/outd...oating/1276841


--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.

Mercury outboards
 

On 6/6/2012 1:00 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Jun 5, 9:36 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:21:53 -0700 (PDT), North Star

wrote:
Here's the model I'm talking about... http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur

===

If you are looking for a boat that will keep you warm, dry and
comfortable going through a chop on a breezy day, that is not it.

The walk through windshield models come with a full standup top and
side curtains.
They claim you can run full speed with this top up so that should keep
the wife nice& warm during our short boating season. (4-5 months)
Dealer claims he uses his boat 6 months because of this feature.
(Also that little cover for the bow space)
http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/features scroll down to
full top.

===

Yes, full canvas will make a big difference with warm and dry. Boats
under 22 ft or so have a difficult time getting through a stiff chop
however.


He probably won't see stiff chop unless he decides to circumnavigate his
island.

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On Jun 6, 3:03*pm, Oscar wrote:
On 6/6/2012 1:00 PM, Wayne.B wrote:









On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT), North Star
*wrote:

On Jun 5, 9:36 pm, *wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:21:53 -0700 (PDT), North Star

*wrote:
Here's the model I'm talking about... * * *http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur

===

If you are looking for a boat that will keep you warm, dry and
comfortable going through a chop on a breezy day, that is not it.

The walk through windshield models come with a full standup top and
side curtains.
They claim you can run full speed with this top up so that should keep
the wife nice& *warm during our short boating season. *(4-5 months)
Dealer claims he uses his boat 6 months because of this feature.
(Also that little cover for the bow space)
http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/features* *scroll down to
full top.

===

Yes, full canvas will make a big difference with warm and dry. *Boats
under 22 ft or so have a difficult time getting through a stiff chop
however.

He probably won't see stiff chop unless he decides to circumnavigate his
island.

I've sailed in waters that would have you hiding in the cabin with a
blanky over your head, SailorBoy.

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In article 1c0c5123-abc6-4416-8d61-
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says...

On Jun 6, 3:03*pm, Oscar wrote:
On 6/6/2012 1:00 PM, Wayne.B wrote:









On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT), North Star
*wrote:

On Jun 5, 9:36 pm, *wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:21:53 -0700 (PDT), North Star

*wrote:
Here's the model I'm talking about... * * *http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur

===

If you are looking for a boat that will keep you warm, dry and
comfortable going through a chop on a breezy day, that is not it.

The walk through windshield models come with a full standup top and
side curtains.
They claim you can run full speed with this top up so that should keep
the wife nice& *warm during our short boating season. *(4-5 months)
Dealer claims he uses his boat 6 months because of this feature.
(Also that little cover for the bow space)
http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/features* *scroll down to
full top.

===

Yes, full canvas will make a big difference with warm and dry. *Boats
under 22 ft or so have a difficult time getting through a stiff chop
however.

He probably won't see stiff chop unless he decides to circumnavigate his
island.

I've sailed in waters that would have you hiding in the cabin with a
blanky over your head, SailorBoy.

A direct quote from Harry Krause: "Self praise sucks".

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On 6/6/12 3:22 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 6, 3:03 pm, wrote:
On 6/6/2012 1:00 PM, Wayne.B wrote:









On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Jun 5, 9:36 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:21:53 -0700 (PDT), North Star

wrote:
Here's the model I'm talking about... http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur

===

If you are looking for a boat that will keep you warm, dry and
comfortable going through a chop on a breezy day, that is not it.

The walk through windshield models come with a full standup top and
side curtains.
They claim you can run full speed with this top up so that should keep
the wife nice& warm during our short boating season. (4-5 months)
Dealer claims he uses his boat 6 months because of this feature.
(Also that little cover for the bow space)
http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/features scroll down to
full top.

===

Yes, full canvas will make a big difference with warm and dry. Boats
under 22 ft or so have a difficult time getting through a stiff chop
however.

He probably won't see stiff chop unless he decides to circumnavigate his
island.

I've sailed in waters that would have you hiding in the cabin with a
blanky over your head, SailorBoy.


Oscar was in the naaaaaveeee....cleaning toilets and scraping paint.
When the ocean got rough, he stuck his head in the toilet or the paint
bucket, whichever was closest.