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Mercury outboards
X ` Man wrote:
On 6/5/12 8:21 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:19 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 6/5/12 8:16 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:07 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 6/5/12 7:49 PM, North Star wrote: To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60 hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will make the boat easier to resell in the future. I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be good enough. Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup. Why is your dealer suggesting a "big foot" outboard? He's just spouting the company line. If you look at the Legend site and check out the 16 Xcalibur, you'll see that the boat manufacturer recommends the 60 bigfoot.... which I always thought was for pontoon or displacement type boats. The local guy also mentioned that the lower end would be heavier duty... comparable to the lower ends on 75s. Well, a heavier duty lower unit isn't going to have much meaning on a relatively light alum boat like you are considering. I doubt you abuse your outboards. More like baby them. Here's the model I'm talking about... http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur I would call the factory and find out what the performance figures are like with various outboards on that boat. I'm sure they've tested. If you can get the cruise speed you want with a smaller engine and the boat loaded the way you intend, then that is enough outboard. I would have agreed with you 20 years ago. If this boat is going any distance offshore on a calm day, it's better to have more HP to run back when a storm starts to appear! |
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On Jun 5, 7:21*pm, North Star wrote:
On Jun 5, 9:19*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 6/5/12 8:16 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:07 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com *wrote: On 6/5/12 7:49 PM, North Star wrote: To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60 hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will make the boat easier to resell in the future. I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be good enough. Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup. Why is your dealer suggesting a "big foot" outboard? He's just spouting the company line. If you look at the Legend site and check out the 16 Xcalibur, you'll see that the boat manufacturer recommends the 60 bigfoot.... *which I always thought was for pontoon or displacement type boats. The local guy also mentioned that the lower end would be heavier duty... comparable to the lower ends on 75s. Well, a heavier duty lower unit isn't going to have much meaning on a relatively light alum boat like you are considering. I doubt you abuse your outboards. More like baby them. Here's the model I'm talking about... * * *http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur That's a swell looking boat, Don. |
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On Jun 5, 9:36*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:21:53 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: Here's the model I'm talking about... * * *http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur === If you are looking for a boat that will keep you warm, dry and comfortable going through a chop on a breezy day, that is not it. The walk through windshield models come with a full standup top and side curtains. They claim you can run full speed with this top up so that should keep the wife nice & warm during our short boating season. (4-5 months) Dealer claims he uses his boat 6 months because of this feature. (Also that little cover for the bow space) http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/features scroll down to full top. |
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On Jun 5, 9:48*pm, Earl wrote:
North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:19 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com *wrote: On 6/5/12 8:16 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:07 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com * *wrote: On 6/5/12 7:49 PM, North Star wrote: To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60 hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will make the boat easier to resell in the future. I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be good enough. Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup. Why is your dealer suggesting a "big foot" outboard? He's just spouting the company line. If you look at the Legend site and check out the 16 Xcalibur, you'll see that the boat manufacturer recommends the 60 bigfoot.... *which I always thought was for pontoon or displacement type boats. The local guy also mentioned that the lower end would be heavier duty... comparable to the lower ends on 75s. Well, a heavier duty lower unit isn't going to have much meaning on a relatively light alum boat like you are considering. I doubt you abuse your outboards. More like baby them. Here's the model I'm talking about... * * *http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur 75 HP max seems low for a boat that size with a nice 82" beam. *The upgrade prices seem awfully high, too. * Have you compared other boats? Missed both local boatshows this winter/early spring but have talked to the local Princecraft dealer and the Lund dealer. I went out to the new Mirrocraft dealer but he only had a couple of boats around at that time. They didn't look nearly as solid as the Legend Gen X boats. We seem to be a bit limited here with a small market... most dealers keep a few boats around but will bring in anything you want if you put some money down. I probably should be smart and wait for the big boatshow in Toronto in February. |
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On Jun 5, 10:07*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:49:38 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60 hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will make the boat easier to resell in the future. I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be good enough. Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup. If you are lugging the extra weight of a mid range 4 stroke around why not buy the 60. The 50 is the same motor, throttled down by the computer. I am surprised they can even sell a 2 stroke these days. I suppose you know that 4 stroke is a chinese motor. No.. I didn't see that anywhere in the literature on Mercury motors. Dealer says it would cost a lot to substitute for a Yamaha. Says he used to carry both and didn't have problems with either model of outboard. The Legend people claim that they get a good deal from Mercury by carrying their line exclusively. |
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On Jun 6, 12:16*am, Tim wrote:
On Jun 5, 7:21*pm, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:19*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 6/5/12 8:16 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:07 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com *wrote: On 6/5/12 7:49 PM, North Star wrote: To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60 hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will make the boat easier to resell in the future. I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be good enough. Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup. Why is your dealer suggesting a "big foot" outboard? He's just spouting the company line. If you look at the Legend site and check out the 16 Xcalibur, you'll see that the boat manufacturer recommends the 60 bigfoot.... *which I always thought was for pontoon or displacement type boats. The local guy also mentioned that the lower end would be heavier duty... comparable to the lower ends on 75s. Well, a heavier duty lower unit isn't going to have much meaning on a relatively light alum boat like you are considering. I doubt you abuse your outboards. More like baby them. Here's the model I'm talking about... * * *http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur That's a swell looking boat, Don. I may still opt for the little boat with a 40 hp 4 stroke that only has a hull weight of 600 lbs. I'll have to board it and see if it fits. The wife of course thinks bigger is better.... she's a bit nervous on the water and really just wants to invite her friends and workmates out for afternoon cruises where I would rather tow to interesting places (bays, harbours and lakes) that seem interesting. As we used to say with trailerable sailboats... we can run upwind at 60 mph on the highway a lot faster than we could sail to various sites. http://legendboats.com/en/boats/allsport/summary |
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On 6/6/2012 10:38 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 5, 9:48 pm, wrote: North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:19 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 6/5/12 8:16 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:07 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 6/5/12 7:49 PM, North Star wrote: To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60 hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will make the boat easier to resell in the future. I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be good enough. Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup. Why is your dealer suggesting a "big foot" outboard? He's just spouting the company line. If you look at the Legend site and check out the 16 Xcalibur, you'll see that the boat manufacturer recommends the 60 bigfoot.... which I always thought was for pontoon or displacement type boats. The local guy also mentioned that the lower end would be heavier duty... comparable to the lower ends on 75s. Well, a heavier duty lower unit isn't going to have much meaning on a relatively light alum boat like you are considering. I doubt you abuse your outboards. More like baby them. Here's the model I'm talking about... http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur 75 HP max seems low for a boat that size with a nice 82" beam. The upgrade prices seem awfully high, too. Have you compared other boats? Missed both local boatshows this winter/early spring but have talked to the local Princecraft dealer and the Lund dealer. I went out to the new Mirrocraft dealer but he only had a couple of boats around at that time. They didn't look nearly as solid as the Legend Gen X boats. We seem to be a bit limited here with a small market... most dealers keep a few boats around but will bring in anything you want if you put some money down. I probably should be smart and wait for the big boatshow in Toronto in February. Why are you fixated on aluminum boats? |
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On Jun 6, 12:49*pm, Oscar wrote:
On 6/6/2012 10:38 AM, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:48 pm, *wrote: North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:19 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com * *wrote: On 6/5/12 8:16 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 5, 9:07 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com * * *wrote: On 6/5/12 7:49 PM, North Star wrote: To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60 hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will make the boat easier to resell in the future. I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be good enough. Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup. Why is your dealer suggesting a "big foot" outboard? He's just spouting the company line. If you look at the Legend site and check out the 16 Xcalibur, you'll see that the boat manufacturer recommends the 60 bigfoot.... *which I always thought was for pontoon or displacement type boats. The local guy also mentioned that the lower end would be heavier duty... comparable to the lower ends on 75s. Well, a heavier duty lower unit isn't going to have much meaning on a relatively light alum boat like you are considering. I doubt you abuse your outboards. More like baby them. Here's the model I'm talking about... * * *http://legendboats.com/en/boats/xcalibur/16_xcalibur 75 HP max seems low for a boat that size with a nice 82" beam. *The upgrade prices seem awfully high, too. * Have you compared other boats? Missed both local boatshows this winter/early spring but have talked to the local Princecraft dealer and the Lund dealer. I went out to the new Mirrocraft dealer but he only had a couple of boats around at that time. *They didn't look nearly as solid as the Legend Gen X boats. We seem to be a bit limited here with a small market... most dealers keep a few boats around but will bring in anything you want if you put some money down. I probably should be smart and wait for the big boatshow in Toronto in February. Why are you fixated on aluminum boats? Tough and light compared to fiberglass. |
Mercury outboards
On 05/06/2012 5:49 PM, North Star wrote:
To power a thousand pound aluminum boat the boat's manufacturer and the local dealer recommend spending another $4600 to upgrade to a 60 hp big foot 4 stroke over the 50 hp 2 stroke that is listed as the basic pkg engine. I can understand this if you plan on waterskiing or tubing but this seems a bit much for cruising. Dealer says the bigger motor won't have to work so hard, is better in the hole shots and will make the boat easier to resell in the future. I'm thinking spending $2700 by upgrading to a 50 hp 4 stroke should be good enough. Too bad those Mercury guys aren't still here in this newsgroup. I would go for the one that goes the longest distances on the same amount of fuel. Usually the midrange size for the boat. But you are right, buy the one you will use the boat for. A counterpoint to the water ski, is smaller motors troll better and burn less fuel. Buy it exclusively for what your going to use it for. If fishing, 50 hp is plenty. -- Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment. |
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