On 5/12/12 1:17 PM, paulaner wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 07:05:35 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 5/11/12 10:05 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console, too.

Uh, a less than 20' center console boat does not "make a comfortable
afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife, mothers, and other non-boaters
in the family (they want cushions, throw pillows, cocktails, snacks)."

Especially so on Chesapeake Bay, which typically in summer months has a
hard chop rolling across its surface almost everywhere you go. And
especially so in a small center console boat, which isn't really the
platform for those who want lots of cushions, throw pillows, cocktails
and snacks.

For a modicum of comfort, I'd suggest at least a 21' cabin boat with
at least 20-21 degrees of deadrise at the stern, and a 150 to 200 hp
four stroke Yamaha or Suzuki outboard.


I'll stick to the river for the non-sailors. I agree that a 21+ may
be a better size when I'm out in thwe bay.


You might like what is called a "deck boat." There are plenty in the 20'
range.

On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, Earl wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console, too.

My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/11/12 10:05 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.

Uh, a less than 20' center console boat does not "make a comfortable
afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife, mothers, and other
non-boaters in the family (they want cushions, throw pillows,
cocktails, snacks)."

Especially so on Chesapeake Bay, which typically in summer months has
a hard chop rolling across its surface almost everywhere you go. And
especially so in a small center console boat, which isn't really the
platform for those who want lots of cushions, throw pillows, cocktails
and snacks.

For a modicum of comfort, I'd suggest at least a 21' cabin boat with
at least 20-21 degrees of deadrise at the stern, and a 150 to 200 hp
four stroke Yamaha or Suzuki outboard.
Uh, I did refer to their larger boats. I did say they were a good
choice only because I am familiar with their build quality.

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 1:17 PM, paulaner wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 07:05:35 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 5/11/12 10:05 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the
console, too.

Uh, a less than 20' center console boat does not "make a comfortable
afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife, mothers, and other non-boaters
in the family (they want cushions, throw pillows, cocktails, snacks)."

Especially so on Chesapeake Bay, which typically in summer months has a
hard chop rolling across its surface almost everywhere you go. And
especially so in a small center console boat, which isn't really the
platform for those who want lots of cushions, throw pillows, cocktails
and snacks.

For a modicum of comfort, I'd suggest at least a 21' cabin boat with
at least 20-21 degrees of deadrise at the stern, and a 150 to 200 hp
four stroke Yamaha or Suzuki outboard.


I'll stick to the river for the non-sailors. I agree that a 21+ may
be a better size when I'm out in thwe bay.


You might like what is called a "deck boat." There are plenty in the
20' range.

Deck boats that do have a 20+ degree deadrise at the transom (if there
are any) are unsuitable for the hard rolling chop you describe. He may
as well find a 70's tri-hull.

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console, too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat, but
much of the time it has a hard chop.

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat, but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.

On May 12, 10:12*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:





John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat, but
much of the time it has a hard chop.

Here's a site that talks a bit about deadrise...
http://www.tropicalboating.com/power...ull-angle.html

On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:01:27 -0400, Earl wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console, too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

It has rough days and calm days and in-between days. It is not, as has been suggested, continuously
in turmoil. Besides which, there are plenty of very nice, scenic, and calm rivers dumping into the
Chesapeake, many with little islands and/or boaters beaches which provide great areas for simple
relaxing.

Being in the middle of the bay with a 25mph breeze and 3' chop would be no fun for a family outing
in anything less than about a 34'er.

Some folks are naysayers, no matter what.

On 5/12/12 9:48 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat, but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.


Your posts are just more evidence as to why this is no longer a boating
group. Bye.