On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:48:29 -0400, Earl wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat, but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.

We all have our own definitions of 'hard chop'. To me, 6" - 12" wavelets are pretty calm. One- to
two-footers can be a little 'choppy', but are fine at a slower speed. Don't know why 150-200 horses
is necessary. A good friend had a 24'er with a Honda 90 on the butt end, and we did a whole lot of
pleasant fishing with that thing - in 2'-3' wave conditions. Pulled lots of stripers into that boat.

On 5/13/12 7:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:48:29 -0400, wrote:



We all have our own definitions of 'hard chop'. To me, 6" - 12" wavelets are pretty calm. One- to
two-footers can be a little 'choppy', but are fine at a slower speed. Don't know why 150-200 horses
is necessary. A good friend had a 24'er with a Honda 90 on the butt end, and we did a whole lot of
pleasant fishing with that thing - in 2'-3' wave conditions. Pulled lots of stripers into that boat.

Around here, hard chop refers less to the size of the peaks of waves and
more to the distances between the peaks. If the peaks are close
together, you get hard chop. If they are farther apart, you typically
don't, wave size being equal.

As for engine horsepower, you have what, an 18-footer with a 150 hp four
stroke engine?

Oh, and you don't actually get out on the Bay more than once a year, do
you?

On 5/13/2012 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:01:27 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console, too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

It has rough days and calm days and in-between days. It is not, as has been suggested, continuously
in turmoil. Besides which, there are plenty of very nice, scenic, and calm rivers dumping into the
Chesapeake, many with little islands and/or boaters beaches which provide great areas for simple
relaxing.

Being in the middle of the bay with a 25mph breeze and 3' chop would be no fun for a family outing
in anything less than about a 34'er.

Some folks are naysayers, no matter what.

I'll bet your boat can handle " 6" hard chop " without any difficulty. ;-)

On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:36:04 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

The minimum my wife will settle for is a windshield to break the wind,
comfy deluxe seats and a 'stand up sunbrella type top to protect from
the sun... or when the wind is chily.

===

Based on what I think I know about your area and what you'd like to
do, I think you'll be happiest with something like a cuddy cabin
runabout in the 24 ft range, with full canvas and a V-bottom. You
will need to keep it in the water however or get a bigger tow vehicle.
If you keep it in the water, docked or moored, your best choice is
outboard powered. I/Os tend to develop corrosion issues if stored
full time in salt water. Do you have dry stack rack storage in your
area? If so, that is another option and quite possibly less expensive
than buying a new truck.

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:48 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400,
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the
Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think,
pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images.
When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we
used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would
have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat,
but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.


Your posts are just more evidence as to why this is no longer a
boating group. Bye.
You can't defend your own post so you come up with that BS? Don't let
the door hit you in the ass.

On Sat, 12 May 2012 19:25:47 -0700 (PDT), somebody wrote:

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

===

It's rough enough, an open body of water 100+ miles long and 10 to 20
miles wide, roughly comparable in size to Long Island Sound. In my
opinion 24 feet is about the minimum size for a halfway comfortable
ride in most conditions. The great thing about boating on the
Chesapeake is the vast number of bays and rivers that are more
protected.

On 5/14/12 7:58 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:48 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400,
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the
Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think,
pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images.
When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we
used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would
have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat,
but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.


Your posts are just more evidence as to why this is no longer a
boating group. Bye.
You can't defend your own post so you come up with that BS? Don't let
the door hit you in the ass.


D'oh. I didn't write that I was leaving. I was simply closing the door
on you and your moronic posts. That door is almost completely closed now.

Bye.

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/13/12 7:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:48:29 -0400, wrote:



We all have our own definitions of 'hard chop'. To me, 6" - 12"
wavelets are pretty calm. One- to
two-footers can be a little 'choppy', but are fine at a slower speed.
Don't know why 150-200 horses
is necessary. A good friend had a 24'er with a Honda 90 on the butt
end, and we did a whole lot of
pleasant fishing with that thing - in 2'-3' wave conditions. Pulled
lots of stripers into that boat.

Around here, hard chop refers less to the size of the peaks of waves
and more to the distances between the peaks. If the peaks are close
together, you get hard chop. If they are farther apart, you typically
don't, wave size being equal.

As for engine horsepower, you have what, an 18-footer with a 150 hp
four stroke engine?

Oh, and you don't actually get out on the Bay more than once a year,
do you?





Spoken like a true non-boater. You have issues, X-Man. Jealousy, envy,
whatever, but it is apparent that you don't boat and have chosen this to
be your dumping ground for your over-the-top political agenda. You seem
to forget that people who have boats are more likely to be educated and
can see through your strange rhetoric. Even your attempts at on-topic
posts are filled with unfounded advice. There are plenty of political
groups in Usenet, I'm sure. Have you been pushed out of them all?

On May 14, 8:55*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:36:04 -0700 (PDT), North Star

wrote:
The minimum my wife will settle for is a windshield to break the wind,
comfy deluxe seats and a 'stand up sunbrella type top to protect from
the sun... or when the wind is chily.

===

Based on what I think I know about your area and what you'd like to
do, I think you'll be happiest with something like a cuddy cabin
runabout in the 24 ft range, with full canvas and a V-bottom. * You
will need to keep it in the water however or get a bigger tow vehicle.
If you keep it in the water, docked or moored, your best choice is
outboard powered. * I/Os tend to develop corrosion issues if stored
full time in salt water. *Do you have dry stack rack storage in your
area? *If so, that is another option and quite possibly less expensive
than buying a new truck.

No boat stacking around here. All the local yacht clubs have a big
launch around the Victoria Day holiday this month and take the boats
out around our Thanksgiving in October.

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/14/12 7:58 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:48 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400,
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at
Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well
for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want
cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet
those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the
Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think,
pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images.
When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the
console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we
used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the
Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would
have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat,
but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or
more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under
20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.


Your posts are just more evidence as to why this is no longer a
boating group. Bye.
You can't defend your own post so you come up with that BS? Don't let
the door hit you in the ass.


D'oh. I didn't write that I was leaving. I was simply closing the door
on you and your moronic posts. That door is almost completely closed now.

Bye.
Put me in your kill-file. I could care less. You are the one starved
for attention.