On 4/19/12 9:54 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 9:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 9:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 9:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make
work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other?
Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or
efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating
Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists
only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are
over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting
wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health
care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings
costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much
shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this
country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you,
Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a
skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in
manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of
factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW
assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you
could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that
very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway,
all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends,
take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C
average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed
took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

you are a stooge...


Whatever you think I am, little toad, I have managed my life fairly
well. I managed to get a decent education, managed to get and hold
decent jobs, managed to get my kids through higher ed, managed to obtain
and hold onto health insurance, managed to run a profitable business for
several decades without engaging in intellectual property theft, managed
to set up and maintain a good retirement, managed to help my wife
through graduate school and a doctoral program, and managed to put away
some bucks for a rainy day.

If memory serves, you haven't managed so well. Do you think your
failures have anything to do with your "stoogeship" on Fox News?

Ok, so you are a liar, and a stooge... You live in your ****ing sisters
basement, hiding from all the people you have ****ed off in your
miserable life... snerk


Your grapes are bright green and exceeding sour, little toad.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:32:56 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

===

Not at all, been there done that, just like you.

The problems start when unskilled assembly line workers begin to think
that they are entitled to the same compensation and benefits as
skilled tradesmen such as machinists, welders and electricians, not to
mention professionals like teachers and nurses.

On 4/19/12 10:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:32:56 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

===

Not at all, been there done that, just like you.

The problems start when unskilled assembly line workers begin to think
that they are entitled to the same compensation and benefits as
skilled tradesmen such as machinists, welders and electricians, not to
mention professionals like teachers and nurses.


Perhaps the answer is that we grossly underpay skilled tradesmen and
professionals such as teachers and nurses. We certainly overpay most
executives at larger corporations; the ratios between top execs and line
workers are obscene.

On Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:24:46 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:36:56 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 4/19/12 9:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 9:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other?
Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or
efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists
only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting
wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health
care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings
costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much
shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a
skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW
assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you
could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that
very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway,
all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends,
take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C
average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed
took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

you are a stooge...


Whatever you think I am, little toad, I have managed my life fairly
well. I managed to get a decent education, managed to get and hold
decent jobs, managed to get my kids through higher ed, managed to obtain
and hold onto health insurance, managed to run a profitable business for
several decades without engaging in intellectual property theft, managed
to set up and maintain a good retirement, managed to help my wife
through graduate school and a doctoral program, and managed to put away
some bucks for a rainy day.

If memory serves, you haven't managed so well. Do you think your
failures have anything to do with your "stoogeship" on Fox News?

And...you were the first person here to say, "Self-praise sucks."

Good job, Harry.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 4/19/12 1:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:54:18 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/19/12 11:46 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:18:46 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Being opposed to the way corporations have ruined this country does not
make me a fan of the Castro brothers. In their own way, they are the
corporationists of Cuba.

===

Who says the country has been ruined? That may happen yet because of
your free spending, money printing partners in the executive branch
but meanwhile free enterprise seems to be alive and well. Free
enterprise is what made this country great in the first place and it
will ultimately be free enterprise that bails us out of our current
slump.



snerk

"Free enterprise" as it has devolved since the Reaqan Administration has
no interest in rebuilding the middle class and without a middle class
this country has no future. How is "free enterprise" going to bail us
out, Wayne? By getting rid of the minimum wage, worker safety
regulations, environmental regulations, medicare? And then what? Serfdom
for all but the super rich? That sort of economy and country deserve to
go down the drain.

====

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

Give your money away then! You brag here all of the time about how much
you have.

On 4/20/2012 6:39 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 10:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:32:56 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

===

Not at all, been there done that, just like you.

The problems start when unskilled assembly line workers begin to think
that they are entitled to the same compensation and benefits as
skilled tradesmen such as machinists, welders and electricians, not to
mention professionals like teachers and nurses.


Perhaps the answer is that we grossly underpay skilled tradesmen and
professionals such as teachers and nurses. We certainly overpay most
executives at larger corporations; the ratios between top execs and line
workers are obscene.

Maybe you should bend Dr3Xs boss ear and tell him that her salary is
outrageous for a common social worker. I'm sure she wouldn't mind taking
a $100k pay cut for the good of the skilled brick stackers.

On 4/20/12 7:28 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:36:56 -0400, X ` wrote:

On 4/19/12 9:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 9:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other?
Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or
efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists
only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting
wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health
care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings
costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much
shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a
skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW
assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you
could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that
very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway,
all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends,
take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C
average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed
took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

you are a stooge...


Whatever you think I am, little toad, I have managed my life fairly
well. I managed to get a decent education, managed to get and hold
decent jobs, managed to get my kids through higher ed, managed to obtain
and hold onto health insurance, managed to run a profitable business for
several decades without engaging in intellectual property theft, managed
to set up and maintain a good retirement, managed to help my wife
through graduate school and a doctoral program, and managed to put away
some bucks for a rainy day.

If memory serves, you haven't managed so well. Do you think your
failures have anything to do with your "stoogeship" on Fox News?

And...you were the first person here to say, "Self-praise sucks."

Good job, Harry.

The operative word is "managed," doofus.

On 4/20/2012 8:57 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 7:28 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:36:56 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 4/19/12 9:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 9:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make
work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other?
Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or
efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating
Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists
only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to
think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are
over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting
wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health
care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings
costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much
shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this
country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you,
Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a
skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in
manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of
factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example,
UAW
assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you
could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that
very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway,
all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends,
take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C
average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed
took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

you are a stooge...


Whatever you think I am, little toad, I have managed my life fairly
well. I managed to get a decent education, managed to get and hold
decent jobs, managed to get my kids through higher ed, managed to obtain
and hold onto health insurance, managed to run a profitable business for
several decades without engaging in intellectual property theft, managed
to set up and maintain a good retirement, managed to help my wife
through graduate school and a doctoral program, and managed to put away
some bucks for a rainy day.

If memory serves, you haven't managed so well. Do you think your
failures have anything to do with your "stoogeship" on Fox News?

And...you were the first person here to say, "Self-praise sucks."

Good job, Harry.

The operative word is "managed," doofus.

OK. You managed to heap a bunch of self praise upon yourself. Is that
better?

On 4/20/2012 7:28 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:36:56 -0400, X ` wrote:

On 4/19/12 9:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 9:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other?
Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or
efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists
only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting
wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health
care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings
costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much
shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a
skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW
assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you
could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that
very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway,
all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends,
take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C
average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed
took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

you are a stooge...


Whatever you think I am, little toad, I have managed my life fairly
well. I managed to get a decent education, managed to get and hold
decent jobs, managed to get my kids through higher ed, managed to obtain
and hold onto health insurance, managed to run a profitable business for
several decades without engaging in intellectual property theft, managed
to set up and maintain a good retirement, managed to help my wife
through graduate school and a doctoral program, and managed to put away
some bucks for a rainy day.

If memory serves, you haven't managed so well. Do you think your
failures have anything to do with your "stoogeship" on Fox News?

And...you were the first person here to say, "Self-praise sucks."

Good job, Harry.

Bull**** stories suck even more.. But harry is the king..