On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...

On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

He probably has a problem with union social workers making $150 K plus
benefits. Its the unions who got too greedy, that caused all the labor
problems. Corporations had to move their labor resources offshore to
protect their chances for survival. The unions played a huge part in
demise of American capitalism. Greed got the best of you Krauses,
evidenced by your lifestyle of excesses.

On 4/19/2012 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...

More money in most cases. Nothing would please me more than to see
Krause's union retirement package go tits up.

On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

Unlike either of you, I worked in manufacturing and assembly factories.
These were jobs I held during summer breaks while I was a college
student. I worked as a truck loader for Shick Razor and also drove a
forklift, was trained and worked as a welder at a boiler factory, and
worked loading trucks at a brewery. At the razor factory, there were
many very highly skilled workers running all sorts of machines. They
were paid a lot more than us warehouse grunts, but I was glad for the
work. Same at the boiler factory...my job mostly had to do with cleaning
out boilers returned to the factory for refurbishing, and there were
welders there far more skilled than I was, and they were paid more.

But even the lowest of workers who work hard in a factory are entitled
to earn a decent living wage and have benefits sufficient for decent life.

Wayne would deny them that so he can live a bit higher off the hog on
his dividends.

On 4/19/2012 5:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

Unlike either of you, I worked in manufacturing and assembly factories.
These were jobs I held during summer breaks while I was a college
student. I worked as a truck loader for Shick Razor and also drove a
forklift, was trained and worked as a welder at a boiler factory, and
worked loading trucks at a brewery. At the razor factory, there were
many very highly skilled workers running all sorts of machines. They
were paid a lot more than us warehouse grunts, but I was glad for the
work. Same at the boiler factory...my job mostly had to do with cleaning
out boilers returned to the factory for refurbishing, and there were
welders there far more skilled than I was, and they were paid more.

But even the lowest of workers who work hard in a factory are entitled
to earn a decent living wage and have benefits sufficient for decent life.

Wayne would deny them that so he can live a bit higher off the hog on
his dividends.




What's wrong with Wayne living a tad higher off the hog than a lug-nut
turner? I'm sure you expect to do a little better, don't you?

On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that very few enjoy.. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway, all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends, take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed took down middle class in American.

On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other? Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway, all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends, take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

On 4/19/2012 9:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other?
Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or
efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists
only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting
wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW
assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you
could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that
very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway,
all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends,
take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C
average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed
took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

you are a stooge...

On 4/19/12 9:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 9:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other?
Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or
efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists
only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting
wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health
care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings
costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much
shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a
skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW
assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you
could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that
very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway,
all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends,
take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C
average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed
took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

you are a stooge...


Whatever you think I am, little toad, I have managed my life fairly
well. I managed to get a decent education, managed to get and hold
decent jobs, managed to get my kids through higher ed, managed to obtain
and hold onto health insurance, managed to run a profitable business for
several decades without engaging in intellectual property theft, managed
to set up and maintain a good retirement, managed to help my wife
through graduate school and a doctoral program, and managed to put away
some bucks for a rainy day.

If memory serves, you haven't managed so well. Do you think your
failures have anything to do with your "stoogeship" on Fox News?

On 4/19/2012 9:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 9:25 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 9:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 8:39 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/19/2012 4:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/19/12 4:23 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:50:37 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Can we infer that you'd prefer an economy of unionized, make
work,
government employees who make a living by taxing each other?
Without
free enterprise you'd have no incentive for innovation or
efficiency.
The former Soviet Union found that out the hard way.


No, Wayne, you cannot infer that, and I'm not advocating Sov-style
communism. I am in favor of steps that help rebuild the middle
class in
this country, though. I see no point in a country that exists
only to
enrich the rich.

====

When you talk about rebuilding the middle class, are you really
refering to the unionized working class? Frankly I'd like to think
that the days of $80/hour unskilled assembly line workers are over.



I am referring to the jobs that provide goodm family supporting
wages to
working Americans, with either company or government paid health
care,
retirement, vacation and similar benefits, because the concept of
buying those benefits on your own with today's wages and livings
costs
is pretty much shot. In fact, in today's greed-driven,
corporate-dominated America, those sorts of jobs are pretty much
shot.
And without those jobs, there really is no point to this country, is
there? A country that benefits only the rich isn't a country worth
having.

You really have it in for working class Americans, don't you, Wayne?

No, he has it in for folks who never went to school, never got a
skill,
making the same money as a trained and schooled engineer...


Obviously, neither you nor Wayne have spent much time in manufacturing
plants where "products" are turned out. Yes, there are some really
low-skilled jobs, but most of the workers on the assembly line or in
factories have a lot more in the way of factory/assembly/manufacturing
skills than either you or Wayne.

I have spent time there, and know something about it. For example, UAW
assembly line workers perform low skilled, repetitious jobs that you
could train a monkey to do. But have huge compensation packages that
very few enjoy. You really can't defend that.

Everybody wants the PS3 with a big screen, Suburban in the driveway,
all the premium channels on cable with PPV football on the weekends,
take the 3 kids to Vegas and Disney twice a year, and all on a C
average high school education. The middle class union-driven greed
took down middle class in American.


You're an ignorant class warrior as well as a racist. What a surprise.

you are a stooge...


Whatever you think I am, little toad, I have managed my life fairly
well. I managed to get a decent education, managed to get and hold
decent jobs, managed to get my kids through higher ed, managed to obtain
and hold onto health insurance, managed to run a profitable business for
several decades without engaging in intellectual property theft, managed
to set up and maintain a good retirement, managed to help my wife
through graduate school and a doctoral program, and managed to put away
some bucks for a rainy day.

If memory serves, you haven't managed so well. Do you think your
failures have anything to do with your "stoogeship" on Fox News?

Ok, so you are a liar, and a stooge... You live in your ****ing sisters
basement, hiding from all the people you have ****ed off in your
miserable life... snerk