On 4/16/12 2:23 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.


They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted


Oh...don't forget...Martin was visiting his father, who lived in the
community. So, please explain as someone invited in by someone who lives
there how Martin was trespassing?

Was there a rent-a-cop in a little kiosk at the entrance to the community?

Our house is on a little private lane. There are five houses along our
road. We do "allow in" firetrucks, police cars, UPS & FEDEX delivery
trucks, tradesmen, visitors, et cetera. Maybe we should put up a gate
and a sign to keep crazed, armed Floridians out, eh?

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says...

On 4/16/12 2:23 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.


They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted


Oh...don't forget...Martin was visiting his father, who lived in the
community. So, please explain as someone invited in by someone who lives
there how Martin was trespassing?

Was there a rent-a-cop in a little kiosk at the entrance to the community?

Our house is on a little private lane. There are five houses along our
road. We do "allow in" firetrucks, police cars, UPS & FEDEX delivery
trucks, tradesmen, visitors, et cetera. Maybe we should put up a gate
and a sign to keep crazed, armed Floridians out, eh?

Here's a good read about gated communities and how the people act:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/op...ted-community-
mentality.html

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says...


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/op...ted-community-
mentality.html

Though I don't want to live in a gated community myself, or ever belong
to a HOA, this is a shallow article, not worth reading.
I'd like to know how many of these people living in these places simply
moved there because of location or pricing.
You know, as in location, location, location. And "Can I afford it?"
I'm sure there are many "wrong-thinking" folks in these places, but it's
not smart to paint with a broad brush.
Once a developer establishes a gated-community, isn't the die cast?
Can the HOA members vote to change it to non-gated?
Also, I've heard these places have virtually the same crime rates as
non-gated.
So it just doesn't make any sense to me.

On 4/16/12 5:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:18:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/16/12 2:23 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.


They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted


Zimmerman had no powers of arrest and prosecution.

That is why he called the police as soon as he saw Martin.
That is not the action of a guy who wants to simply track a guy down
and shoot them as Corey has alleged.


Yeah, right. Sure.

On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:59:39 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".


He also said he had lost sight of Martin


I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?


Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

You can certainly walk away but you can't punch them in the nose for
asking "what are you doing here" on private property.

And there you have it... it's not against the law to ask someone a question. It IS against the law to commit assault & battery.

"Going to my Dad's house." was the proper response. A little less attitude would have saved his life.

On 4/16/2012 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:57:28 -0400, wrote:

How do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Oh, forgot, you blindly
choose to believe Zimmerman.

There is nobody else who knows what actually happened. Until I
actually hear another credible witness who actually saw what happened,
I am left with Zimmerman's story.

History written by the victors...

On 4/15/2012 9:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:14:28 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

I wouldn't have said a word to Zimmerman. I would have just kept on
walking to the house where a blood relative lived.

If Martin had done that it would just be another gone on arrival call
for the cops. Instead he chose to confront Zimmerman.

Gee, the FOXites seem to think that the lefties are making judgement
calls, but the above is just hearsay. You don't know the facts.

If the property is
that private, I wonder who is called when police or firemen are needed.

They pay their taxes., They call the cops and fire department just
like you would for your private property that you have said you would
kill over.


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.



Anybody with nothing to hide, and/or a brain, would identify themselves
if they were strangers walking in a clearly posted private property and
questioned by someone representing the clearly posted neighborhood watch..

On 4/16/2012 2:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.


They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted

He was on a public sidewalk and staying there with relatives.

He was on private property, and approached by neighborhood watch, which
was also clearly posted... Stop lying, really, you should at least read
one complete article about the actual facts.. Just one would save
everyone a lot of headache.

On 4/16/2012 3:18 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/16/12 2:23 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you
live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.


They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted


Zimmerman had no powers of arrest and prosecution.

Martin was on private property clearly marked as monitored. Anybody with
a brain in that situation would assume he did...

On 4/16/2012 3:41 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleCOKdnTZPKps_7RHSnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 4/16/12 2:23 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:


Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.


They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted


Zimmerman had no powers of arrest and prosecution.

Well, the thing is this: In general, trespass laws apply to someone
infringing on private property to which he or she has not been invited.
Martin was indeed invited there.


"Well then"??? How about saying, "sorry I lied about him not being
private property, I will go read the police report before making an ass
of myself again here"...????????