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BAR[_2_]

In article , lid says...

On 4/14/2012 5:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:42:11 -0700, wrote:

I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.

You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be.

If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it
doesn't mean you can't.

Willful ignorance. The point was crystal clear.

First Zimmerman was an uneducated idiot and now he is an English major
at a mid-west liberal arts college.

Make up your mind and stick with it.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:11:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:34:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

You haven't heard? In Florida there is this case right now where a
vigilante, George Zimmerman, shot and killed a young mad, Treyvon Wilson
because he was walking with a soft drink and a bag of Skittles. He
claimed the kid was looking into cars at one point, but on his website
changed his story to say the kid was looking into houses.

That sounds horrible until you include the broken nose and the blood
on the back of Zimmerman's head.
We have not heard about a mark on Martin before he was shot or any
dirt on the back of that white hoodie.

There is no evidence of such. Why is it that you believe everything
Zimmerman and his friends say automatically?

Well there is the police report.

Once again, you just automatically believe what Zimmerman and Sanford PD
says as opposed to real evidence.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.

Why should he? He probably thought he was being attacked by a man in the
dark of night.

After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

If some strange man came up behind me at night when I'm doing nothing
wrong and started acting strangely, he'd get the same thing.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/15/12 12:17 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:16:21 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/14/12 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead
packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a
few weeks.

You would go to jail for trespassing.

Good. That would be the point. Thousands of protesters jailed. A
never-ending demonstration. Just like the good old days.

Come on down, join the rabble

While I enjoyed living in Florida when we did, most of the state is far
too backwards these days for me to even want to visit it much.

X ` Man

On 4/15/12 8:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:16:21 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/14/12 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead
packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a
few weeks.

You would go to jail for trespassing.

Good. That would be the point. Thousands of protesters jailed. A
never-ending demonstration. Just like the good old days.

Come on down, join the rabble

Typical Krause, no respect for your private property. However, if you
step foot on his private property be ready to answer a gun shot.

Oh? Have you been swapping bodily fluids with JustHate? I've never
posted anything like that.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:14:28 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

I wouldn't have said a word to Zimmerman. I would have just kept on
walking to the house where a blood relative lived.

If Martin had done that it would just be another gone on arrival call
for the cops. Instead he chose to confront Zimmerman.

Gee, the FOXites seem to think that the lefties are making judgement
calls, but the above is just hearsay. You don't know the facts.

If the property is
that private, I wonder who is called when police or firemen are needed.

They pay their taxes., They call the cops and fire department just
like you would for your private property that you have said you would
kill over.

Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead
packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a
few weeks.

You would go to jail for trespassing.

Nope, they are public streets.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:41:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

What difference would it make if it WERE a burglary tool? Zimmerman knew
nothing about that.

Oh the old "I never saw that in my life, I don't know how it got in my
backpack" defense.

Again, how would something that the kid did in school in Miami have any
bearing on what Zimmerman did?

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:42:11 -0700, thumper wrote:

On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote:

The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED
you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being
asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't.

I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.

You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be.

If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it
doesn't mean you can't.
That really sounds more like a liability issue for the police. If they
imply that he should follow someone and they get hurt, the police
would be liable.
I have been to a number of NW meetings with the cops and they tell us
it sure would be helpful if we can watch the person until they get
there but be careful. In fact that is really the only way they
actually catch anyone.
If they see the guy a block away, he can say "it wasn't me".
Theoretically they need "reasonable suspicion" even to do a "Terry
stop".

You are getting as unhinged about this as Scotty!

X ` Man

On 4/14/12 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:42:11 -0700, wrote:

On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote:

The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED
you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being
asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't.

I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.

You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be.

If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it
doesn't mean you can't.
That really sounds more like a liability issue for the police. If they
imply that he should follow someone and they get hurt, the police
would be liable.
I have been to a number of NW meetings with the cops and they tell us
it sure would be helpful if we can watch the person until they get
there but be careful. In fact that is really the only way they
actually catch anyone.
If they see the guy a block away, he can say "it wasn't me".
Theoretically they need "reasonable suspicion" even to do a "Terry
stop".

Gee, and I thought SW Florida was where all the "fancy" people lived. If
I were you, I'd find a new neighborhood where the crime rate is lower
and "neighborhood watch" is not such a big deal.

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