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iBoaterer[_2_]

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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 23:10:59 -0700, thumper wrote:

On 4/14/2012 5:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:42:11 -0700, wrote:

I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.

You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be.

If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it
doesn't mean you can't.

Willful ignorance. The point was crystal clear.

Yes it was crystal clear that the government was not going to protect
Zimmerman's safety when Martin attacked him

How do you know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Oh, forgot, you blindly
choose to believe Zimmerman.

iBoaterer[_2_]

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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.

Why should he? He probably thought he was being attacked by a man in the
dark of night.

I guess you are right, a thug does not have any reason to be civil to
anyone.

After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

If some strange man came up behind me at night when I'm doing nothing
wrong and started acting strangely, he'd get the same thing.

The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

Not true at all. Zimmerman STATED that he "followed Martin".

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?

Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

So if a man like Zimmerman approaches me at night in Florida while I'm
walking home I can't under law walk away?

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.

They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted

He was on a public sidewalk and staying there with relatives.

iBoaterer[_2_]

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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:50:07 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

You would go to jail for trespassing.

Nope, they are public streets.

Not inside a gated community.
As soon as you put up a gate, you own the street. In this case they
were NEVER government owned streets. The developer built the street,
the HOA owns the street and is responsible for maintenance. The cops
come in as visitors unless they are in hot pursuit, the same as it
would be on your patio.,
In our county they actually have a different bunch of deputies to
handle gated communities (a great gig by the way)

We went through this when some people here wanted our HOA to put up
gates. We would have been required to get the county to vacate the
roads and cede them over to us. then we would get no more county
maintenance. That was the show stopper.
Most gated communities are built from scratch and they never give the
roads to the county. (the county will not take them, even if you want,
when they are behind gates)

I am amazed at how little you people know about HOAs and gated
communities, yet you seem to have plenty of opinions.

Actually I know quite alot about HOA's and gated communities. I am on
the board of our HOA. So, I guess if it's not a public sidewalk and
streets, that if the HOA doesn't want LEO's to come in there property
they can keep them out, eh?

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:51:38 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:41:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

What difference would it make if it WERE a burglary tool? Zimmerman knew
nothing about that.

Oh the old "I never saw that in my life, I don't know how it got in my
backpack" defense.

Again, how would something that the kid did in school in Miami have any
bearing on what Zimmerman did?

It will go the character of Martin when the judge has to decide
whether Zimmerman's story about being attacked is adjudicated in the
immunity hearing (before this ever gets to trial)

It certainly does seem to verify what Zimmerman "profiled" Martin to
be.
He was a druggie, thief according to what they found in his school bag

If Corey does get any traction with her "profiling" charge (the only
real meat in her affidavit) it will be a pyrrhic victory since
profiling is an important police tool and she might see that show up
in criminal defenses for he rest of her career.
She did not say "racial" profiling, just profiling

So, we can also profile Zimmerman as the short fused, argumentative,
easily enraged person he was, right?

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/16/12 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:46 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.

Why should he? He probably thought he was being attacked by a man in the
dark of night.

I guess you are right, a thug does not have any reason to be civil to
anyone.

After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

If some strange man came up behind me at night when I'm doing nothing
wrong and started acting strangely, he'd get the same thing.

The only story we have is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
Unless there is a witness we have not seen yet, that will be the only
story we have. Everything else is speculation.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

And the stranger has no right to just walk away?

Not really ... in Florida. On your property, you can pretty much shoot
them and that is particularly true if they punch you in the nose and
knock you down
Harry would shoot you for that and he lives in a "retreat state"

No, not unless the criminal had broken into the house. I don't walk
around the yard "heeled."

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/16/12 2:23 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:

Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.

They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted

Zimmerman had no powers of arrest and prosecution.

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/16/12 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:50:07 -0400, wrote:

You would go to jail for trespassing.

Nope, they are public streets.

Not inside a gated community.
As soon as you put up a gate, you own the street. In this case they
were NEVER government owned streets. The developer built the street,
the HOA owns the street and is responsible for maintenance. The cops
come in as visitors unless they are in hot pursuit, the same as it
would be on your patio.,
In our county they actually have a different bunch of deputies to
handle gated communities (a great gig by the way)

We went through this when some people here wanted our HOA to put up
gates. We would have been required to get the county to vacate the
roads and cede them over to us. then we would get no more county
maintenance. That was the show stopper.
Most gated communities are built from scratch and they never give the
roads to the county. (the county will not take them, even if you want,
when they are behind gates)

I am amazed at how little you people know about HOAs and gated
communities, yet you seem to have plenty of opinions.

Live in fear, eh?

X ` Man

On 4/16/12 2:50 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:04:26 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:36 PM, wrote:

You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be.

If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it
doesn't mean you can't.
That really sounds more like a liability issue for the police. If they
imply that he should follow someone and they get hurt, the police
would be liable.
I have been to a number of NW meetings with the cops and they tell us
it sure would be helpful if we can watch the person until they get
there but be careful. In fact that is really the only way they
actually catch anyone.
If they see the guy a block away, he can say "it wasn't me".
Theoretically they need "reasonable suspicion" even to do a "Terry
stop".

Gee, and I thought SW Florida was where all the "fancy" people lived. If
I were you, I'd find a new neighborhood where the crime rate is lower
and "neighborhood watch" is not such a big deal.

"Crime" here is mostly kids drinking and smoking dope in the park with
the occasional band of "car hoppers".
They are always white kids and usually from the neighborhood. That
still does not keep most of the people here from being scared
****less.
I don't mind going out there to see what is going on myself and I talk
to everyone I see. (unarmed)
I suppose I will be killed someday but what the ****, it beats dying
wheezing in a hospital from "old age" ;-)
I am pretty good at defusing problems before they escalate and that is
why I have said several times, if there was just an ounce of civility
in that encounter from either one of them, Trayvon would still be
alive and George would still be working at the insurance company.

Perhaps neigborhood watchers who are as deep into vigilanteism as
Zimmerman need to have psychological tests before their assume their
duties of not walking around the 'hood armed and eager to be provoked.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 4/16/12 2:23 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:49:37 -0400, wrote:

Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

Pretty much. Have you seen the signs? They were photographed and put
out on CNN

All the signs said was that it was a neighborhood that had a
neighborhood watch program. It didn't say that you couldn't be walking
on the sidewalk.

They also said trespassers would be arrested and prosecuted

Zimmerman had no powers of arrest and prosecution.

Well, the thing is this: In general, trespass laws apply to someone
infringing on private property to which he or she has not been invited.
Martin was indeed invited there.

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