In article ,
says...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.

So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of
the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures.

We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool"
in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went
to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his
parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool"
screwdriver, just the graffiti.

If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement
about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about
his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other
violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked
Zimmerman.

No marks on him, nothing.

I also don't buy this "child" thing.
After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join
the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say)

And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here.

In article , says...

On 4/12/2012 5:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.
We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

A. Teen-aged boys look into cars.

In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

How do you know for a fact that he even was looking into cars? Oh,
right, you just automatically believe Zimmerman's side because FOX tells
you to.

On 4/13/12 8:18 AM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 13, 8:48 am, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 4/13/12 7:42 AM, BAR wrote:





In ,
says...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:37:34 -0400, wrote:

On 4/12/2012 1:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.

A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

He's saying you would have to jump out the window and run. That doesn't
square with your "blow their heads off" defense strategy. ;-)

We also have to remember Harry went to quite an effort to get a
Maryland carry permit, so he must think he was going to have to shoot
someone on the street. I wonder how badly he would have to be getting
beaten before he pulled his gat.

Harry does not have a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit. Harry may have a
Maryland Collectors Permit which allows him to purchase more than one
hand gun a month. A Maryland Collectors Permit does not allow one to
carry a concealed weapon/gun. Harry may have a Concealed Carry Permit
from another state but those are not recognized in Maryland at this
time.

Don't believe everything Harry says.

Hehehe. Morons. I have a collector's permit and a carry permit. ESAD.

Those Southern boys sure are nervous about your gun permits.
Maybe if they acted in a responsible, decent, adult manner, they'd
have nothing to worry about. ;-)


I don't think there's more than a half-dozen morons here, mostly
righties, who would behave like the shooter Zimmerman if given half a
chance. Bertie's just ****ed because he can't get a Maryland permit,
even though he "served" stateside as one of those marine boys. He's the
one who claimed I didn't have a collector's permit, either.

On 4/12/12 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:01:27 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.
We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

A. Teen-aged boys look into cars.

Especially when they are looking for I-pods,cell phones and cash


You're basing this on what, the word of a murderer?

On 4/12/12 4:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:17:56 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:54:10 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:37:20 -0400, X `
wrote:


Zimmerman has been arrested and charged with 2nd degree murder, He once
again is being represented by competent counsel, Mark O'Mara. There's
nothing going on in the legal system that is contrary to his civil
rights. The process is in place. No one is so desperate they need you to
"defend" them.


I am just frustrated that this witch hunt will cost the Florida tax
payers millions that could have been spent on more worthy projects
(schools, roads etc) on a case that will probably fail.

The first SA looked at the evidence and said it was a loser. I think
he was right. The police report will be defense exhibit A and unless
they can find something we have not seen so far to break Zimmerman's
story, this could be dismissed at the end of the state's case for lack
of evidence.

This is pure election year politics. The only question is who it
benefits.

It won't fail. There had to be some very damning evidence to charge him
with Murder II and not manslaughter which is much easier to prove. So, I
guess you think murder cases shouldn't be tried because of the cost? So
we just let them go? How about bank robbers? Child molesters? Those
trials cost a boat load of money too.

We are going to see what evidence they have today. Unless it is a lot
more than they have announced, it is squat.
The damning evidence was the lynch mob that Sharpton assembled.

Just what lynch mob is that? And actually, Sharpton his self said last
night that no one can be as upset about this as Martin's parents, and
they are handling this with calm and said that the public should as
well.

How would you lefties feel if it was a black guy shooting an unarmed
teenager (like Carl Rowan did) and it was a white rally outside the
police station demanding an arrest? You would call them KKK skinheads

I asked, after you stated that this is a waste of taxpayer's money,
where should we draw the line? Should we not take murderers to trial,
just let them go because of the cost? What about rapists? Robbers? Those
trials also cost money.


Unless they have uncovered something new, they still do not have a
case. This is politics, pure and simple.
You really have to view this in light of the current FLORIDA law, not
what might happen in Maryland, Massachusetts or California.
All Zimmernan has to establish is that he was in fear of great bodily
harm. He had a "right to be there" so there is no question about the
legality of how he got into the situation.

I really think the SP plans to lose this case, just for ammunition to
attack the law.

Maybe they should just propose SYG as a constitutional amendment and
let the voters decide.
They did it with pregnant pigs and gill nets so it would not be the
dumbest thing that was proposed tor amendment status.



It seems pretty clear that Zimmerman was following Martin as the latter
walked to the house in the subdivision where his dad was staying, and
that Zimmerman confronted Martin, and that Zimmerman apparently went
back to his car where his gun was stashed, and that Zimmerman was told
by the police dispatcher to remain in his car and that he didn't. I'm
not that familiar with florida's insane stand your ground statute, but
it seems to me that Zimmerman instigated a confrontation. From the
beginning, Martin was under no obligation to respond to Zimmerman's
apparent interrogation. If I were walking through a neighborhood and
some moron adult starting questioning me, I'd think the guy was a nut
case and I'd start walking faster, figuring the guy was trying to start
a fight or worse.

That stand your ground bull**** law needs to be modified.

In article 26105108.852.1334279195650.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynjc2, says...

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:51:02 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 4/12/2012 5:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.
We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

A. Teen-aged boys look into cars.

In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

Exactly. Kids look AT cars, and only interesting ones. If he saw a Buick or Corolla, he wouldn't even glance. If he saw a sports car or ricer, he'd look at it. Walking slowly and looking into car windows is a pretty sure sign of being up to no good, no matter how some want to spin it.

Damned kids needs to be killed eh?

On Friday, April 13, 2012 9:17:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 26105108.852.1334279195650.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynjc2, says...

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:51:02 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 4/12/2012 5:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street..

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.
We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

A. Teen-aged boys look into cars.

In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

Exactly. Kids look AT cars, and only interesting ones. If he saw a Buick or Corolla, he wouldn't even glance. If he saw a sports car or ricer, he'd look at it. Walking slowly and looking into car windows is a pretty sure sign of being up to no good, no matter how some want to spin it.

Damned kids needs to be killed eh?

Cite?

On 4/13/12 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Friday, April 13, 2012 9:17:29 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article26105108.852.1334279195650.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynjc2, says...

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:51:02 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 4/12/2012 5:01 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager
who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The
event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had
shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.
We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

A. Teen-aged boys look into cars.

In what world.. Kids that look into cars, are looking for something to
take...

Exactly. Kids look AT cars, and only interesting ones. If he saw a Buick or Corolla, he wouldn't even glance. If he saw a sports car or ricer, he'd look at it. Walking slowly and looking into car windows is a pretty sure sign of being up to no good, no matter how some want to spin it.

Damned kids needs to be killed eh?

Cite?


I think he is citing what you are implying, dumfoch.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 4/12/12 9:24 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:20:38 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 9:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:02:07 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:37:34 -0400, wrote:

On 4/12/2012 1:30 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

He's saying you would have to jump out the window and run. That doesn't
square with your "blow their heads off" defense strategy. ;-)

We also have to remember Harry went to quite an effort to get a
Maryland carry permit, so he must think he was going to have to shoot
someone on the street. I wonder how badly he would have to be getting
beaten before he pulled his gat.


Actually, it was a modest effort.


The process in Maryland is far from "modest". I know lots of people
who tried and failed


In my opinion, the effort I exerted to obtain said permit was modest.

Wow, I'd hate to live in your paranoid world, needing a CWP.


Actually, I did it as a challenge. I like challenges.

But you just stated it was a "modest" effort. Where's a challenge in a
"modest effort"?

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:01:27 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:15:01 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/12/12 1:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2012 11:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/12/12 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:07:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Whatever else is involved, there is no
disputing the fact that he shot and killed an unarmed teen-ager who was
doing nothing more than walking through his neighborhood. The event was
precipitated by Zimmerman.

I ask again, would you feel the same way if it was you who had shot an
unarmed teenager (in your house, just to follow your other note).
In Maryland, the castle doctrine is not very inclusive.
Basically you need to jump out a window if you can to retreat.


A home invader is not the same as a kid walking down the street.

Don't you mean casing the 'hood? When confronted, beat up a rent-a-cop?

Martin was walking to his father's place after buying candy and a soft
drink at a nearby convenience store. There's not the slightest evidence
he was "casing" anything. And Zimmerman wasn't a rent-a-cop.

Moron.

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.
We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

A. Teen-aged boys look into cars.

Especially when they are looking for I-pods,cell phones and cash

And you know he was looking for those things how? You know he was
looking into cars how? Oh, because a murdering vigilante told you that
after he shot the kid.