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Tim January 5th 12 02:30 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

“Boats are a great investment for a family because it’s a way to
socialize and spend time together,” says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. “A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing — it’s a unique way to bond. It’s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.”

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

X ` Man[_3_] January 5th 12 02:45 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

“Boats are a great investment for a family because it’s a way to
socialize and spend time together,” says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. “A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing — it’s a unique way to bond. It’s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.”

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
..19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.



Tim January 5th 12 03:09 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 4, 8:45*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ng-on-a-budget...


Boats are a great investment for a family because it s a way to
socialize and spend time together, says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes woman
for Discover Boating. A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing it s a unique way to bond. It s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.


Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.


LOL!

no kidding!

JustWait January 5th 12 03:49 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/4/2012 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:



Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


How would you know:) ?? I just don't see you doing the 6 flags thing...


North Star January 5th 12 04:01 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 4, 10:45*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ng-on-a-budget...


Boats are a great investment for a family because it s a way to
socialize and spend time together, says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes woman
for Discover Boating. A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing it s a unique way to bond. It s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.


Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.


Might get worse..I was watching a program called 'Decoded' and they
were trying to investigate whether there is any gold left in Fort
Knox.
If the word got out that it's empty.... who knows what would happen to
the 'merican greenback.
BTW they claim that no civilian has actually seen the gold since 1974
when a Congressional group insisted on seeing what was in there.

Tim January 5th 12 04:05 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 4, 9:49*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/4/2012 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:



Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


How would you know:) *?? * I just don't see you doing the 6 flags thing...


Well, I did... you won't see me doing it again....

JustWait January 5th 12 04:08 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/4/2012 11:05 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 4, 9:49 pm, wrote:
On 1/4/2012 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:



Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


How would you know:) ?? I just don't see you doing the 6 flags thing...


Well, I did... you won't see me doing it again....


Ha, that must have been funny....

Tim January 5th 12 04:32 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 4, 10:08*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/4/2012 11:05 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 4, 9:49 pm, *wrote:
On 1/4/2012 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:


Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


How would you know:) *?? * I just don't see you doing the 6 flags thing...


Well, I did... you won't see me doing it again....


Ha, that must have been funny....


well, I don't know about 'funny' Scott, but getting a boat, even a
small boat, has proven to be a whole lot more fun and economical....

Tim January 5th 12 04:41 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 4, 9:49*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/4/2012 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:



Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


How would you know:) *?? * I just don't see you doing the 6 flags thing...


I usd to pack up the family (5 of us) and make the anual trip to Mid-
America south of St.Louis, starting out at 7am, by the time we were
donefighting the crowds, heat, and walking all over the place... when
we finally got home about 8-9pm, we wondered really what kind of fun
we actually had for $300.00 .

Now, even the little 18 ft. Chris craft, we'd hook it up drive 60 mi
to Lake Carlyle , go tubing and swimming. If you got hot, you bailed
overboard for a while. Got hungry? made sandwich's in the boat. and
always had plenty of pop, juice, and bottle water aboard. When done,
load up, go home and think of the blast we had on less than a hundred
bucks. Time and money well spent.

JustWait January 5th 12 05:11 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/4/2012 11:41 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 4, 9:49 pm, wrote:
On 1/4/2012 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:



Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


How would you know:) ?? I just don't see you doing the 6 flags thing...


I usd to pack up the family (5 of us) and make the anual trip to Mid-
America south of St.Louis, starting out at 7am, by the time we were
donefighting the crowds, heat, and walking all over the place... when
we finally got home about 8-9pm, we wondered really what kind of fun
we actually had for $300.00 .

Now, even the little 18 ft. Chris craft, we'd hook it up drive 60 mi
to Lake Carlyle , go tubing and swimming. If you got hot, you bailed
overboard for a while. Got hungry? made sandwich's in the boat. and
always had plenty of pop, juice, and bottle water aboard. When done,
load up, go home and think of the blast we had on less than a hundred
bucks. Time and money well spent.


Well, that's the beauty of the small boats I made. They were designed to
be a cheap day on the water... We could go out for a day with a bag
lunch, a bucket of dry clothes, a few beers, and 6 gallons of gas.

Canuck57[_9_] January 5th 12 06:50 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 04/01/2012 9:01 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jan 4, 10:45 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:

http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ng-on-a-budget...


Boats are a great investment for a family because it s a way to
socialize and spend time together, says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes woman
for Discover Boating. A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing it s a unique way to bond. It s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.


Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.


Might get worse..I was watching a program called 'Decoded' and they
were trying to investigate whether there is any gold left in Fort
Knox.


There isn't that much. Last I checked it was only a few hundred billion.

If the word got out that it's empty.... who knows what would happen to
the 'merican greenback.


Already fallen 40_% against the Yuan in the last 6 years, and
accelerating b the looks of it.

Money is like stock, the more you print the less each share is worth.
Bernanke is printing (electronic counterfeiting) new dollars faster than
Americans consume sheets of toilet paper.

At some point you might use a USD as toilet paper.

BTW they claim that no civilian has actually seen the gold since 1974
when a Congressional group insisted on seeing what was in there.


Wouldn't be the first time government misplaced a few hundred billion.

--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

Canuck57[_9_] January 5th 12 06:51 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 04/01/2012 8:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:30:06 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

“Boats are a great investment for a family because it’s a way to
socialize and spend time together,” says Ellen Hopkins, a spokesÂ*woman
for Discover Boating. “A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing — it’s a unique way to bond. It’s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.”

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


Or rent it. Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. Better
gas millage too when getting there.

--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

Happy John January 5th 12 12:36 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:09:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:30:06 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

“Boats are a great investment for a family because it’s a way to
socialize and spend time together,” says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. “A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing — it’s a unique way to bond. It’s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.”

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


So does the marginal cost per pound of the fish you catch.

Tim January 5th 12 12:57 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 5, 3:02*am, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:51:48 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


Or rent it. *Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. *Better
gas millage too when getting there.


--


Most of the people I know would be thousands of dollars a year ahead
if they just rented a boat on the dozen days a year they actually go
out. By the time you amortize a $40,000 boat over the 40 or 50 times
they use it before it just rots on the lift and toss in the
maintenance headaches from stale gas and other things sitting around
unused causes, $150 an hour rental is a bargain. They usually end up
getting a few thousand on a trade in and start over, promising
themselves they will try to use the boat more next time.
We get out 3 times a week for a couple hours each and I figure boating
costs me less than $8-10 an hour, all costs including maintenance and
gas in the computation. Gas is the biggest part of that number and
when we go slow in manatee season or when my wife says it is cold
(below 80) that can get me closer to $6-7 an hour.


round here, there's not much chance on renting a boat that is unless
it's some giant houseboat. The marina liabilities won't allow it.

Tim January 5th 12 01:21 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 5, 6:57*am, Tim wrote:
On Jan 5, 3:02*am, wrote:









On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:51:48 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


Or rent it. *Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. *Better
gas millage too when getting there.


--


Most of the people I know would be thousands of dollars a year ahead
if they just rented a boat on the dozen days a year they actually go
out. By the time you amortize a $40,000 boat over the 40 or 50 times
they use it before it just rots on the lift and toss in the
maintenance headaches from stale gas and other things sitting around
unused causes, $150 an hour rental is a bargain. They usually end up
getting a few thousand on a trade in and start over, promising
themselves they will try to use the boat more next time.
We get out 3 times a week for a couple hours each and I figure boating
costs me less than $8-10 an hour, all costs including maintenance and
gas in the computation. Gas is the biggest part of that number and
when we go slow in manatee season or when my wife says it is cold
(below 80) that can get me closer to $6-7 an hour.


round here, there's not much chance on renting a boat that is unless
it's some giant houseboat. The marina liabilities won't allow it.


But used boats go reasonamble. I've got $1500.00 (plus some repairs)
in my 18'r and even less in my 23' Marquis which is actually a bigger
and better boat.

The small one is great for a fast hitch-n-go. The bigger one, is a
real tug to pull behind my car, so It's geting built for a river
cruise short vacation....

Still less than going to Kings Island, Dolly World or 6 flags.

X ` Man[_3_] January 5th 12 01:26 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/5/12 8:21 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 5, 6:57 am, wrote:
On Jan 5, 3:02 am, wrote:









On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:51:48 -0700,
wrote:


The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


Or rent it. Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. Better
gas millage too when getting there.


--


Most of the people I know would be thousands of dollars a year ahead
if they just rented a boat on the dozen days a year they actually go
out. By the time you amortize a $40,000 boat over the 40 or 50 times
they use it before it just rots on the lift and toss in the
maintenance headaches from stale gas and other things sitting around
unused causes, $150 an hour rental is a bargain. They usually end up
getting a few thousand on a trade in and start over, promising
themselves they will try to use the boat more next time.
We get out 3 times a week for a couple hours each and I figure boating
costs me less than $8-10 an hour, all costs including maintenance and
gas in the computation. Gas is the biggest part of that number and
when we go slow in manatee season or when my wife says it is cold
(below 80) that can get me closer to $6-7 an hour.


round here, there's not much chance on renting a boat that is unless
it's some giant houseboat. The marina liabilities won't allow it.


But used boats go reasonamble. I've got $1500.00 (plus some repairs)
in my 18'r and even less in my 23' Marquis which is actually a bigger
and better boat.

The small one is great for a fast hitch-n-go. The bigger one, is a
real tug to pull behind my car, so It's geting built for a river
cruise short vacation....

Still less than going to Kings Island, Dolly World or 6 flags.



In this area and elsewhere, there are boat timeshare operations. The
dealer from whom I bought my Parkers is part of a national operation of
such. I asked my salesman there about it once, and was surprised at how
expensive it was. Of course, they send you out in new Gradys and
Parkers. But it still cheaper than buying, maintaining and either
trailering or slipping a new boat of similar quality.


iBoaterer[_2_] January 5th 12 01:51 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.


But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.

X ` Man[_3_] January 5th 12 01:58 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.


But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.



I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)

iBoaterer[_2_] January 5th 12 03:01 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.


But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.



I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)


Growing up in potato farm country, we got a lot of gas for next to
nothing as well for our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Our fair food was
hot dogs, hamburgers and Italian sausages on a sub roll with grilled
onions and peppers, my favorite! We were pretty removed from
civilization, so food there wasn't really an adventure, just farm food.

X ` Man[_3_] January 5th 12 03:35 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/5/12 10:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.

But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.



I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)


Growing up in potato farm country, we got a lot of gas for next to
nothing as well for our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Our fair food was
hot dogs, hamburgers and Italian sausages on a sub roll with grilled
onions and peppers, my favorite! We were pretty removed from
civilization, so food there wasn't really an adventure, just farm food.



I love Italian sausage with onions and peppers on a good crusty Italian
sub roll. Real Italian food was very common in my hometown while I was
growing up there. New Haven had a huge Italian population.

iBoaterer[_2_] January 5th 12 04:15 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 10:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.

But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.


I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)


Growing up in potato farm country, we got a lot of gas for next to
nothing as well for our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Our fair food was
hot dogs, hamburgers and Italian sausages on a sub roll with grilled
onions and peppers, my favorite! We were pretty removed from
civilization, so food there wasn't really an adventure, just farm food.



I love Italian sausage with onions and peppers on a good crusty Italian
sub roll. Real Italian food was very common in my hometown while I was
growing up there. New Haven had a huge Italian population.


Yeah, I've heard about New Haven Apizza, and would like to try some.

X ` Man January 5th 12 04:27 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/5/12 11:15 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleiqKdnYTI0K2iXpjSnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 10:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.

But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.


I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)

Growing up in potato farm country, we got a lot of gas for next to
nothing as well for our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Our fair food was
hot dogs, hamburgers and Italian sausages on a sub roll with grilled
onions and peppers, my favorite! We were pretty removed from
civilization, so food there wasn't really an adventure, just farm food.



I love Italian sausage with onions and peppers on a good crusty Italian
sub roll. Real Italian food was very common in my hometown while I was
growing up there. New Haven had a huge Italian population.


Yeah, I've heard about New Haven Apizza, and would like to try some.



There's four fairly famous pizza places in the New Haven area. I
frequented two of them, Pepe's and Sally's, on Wooster Street in the
downtown area. There's an Italian ice shop right next door and I recall
a bakery there, too.

iBoaterer[_2_] January 5th 12 05:01 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 10:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.

But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.


I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)


Growing up in potato farm country, we got a lot of gas for next to
nothing as well for our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Our fair food was
hot dogs, hamburgers and Italian sausages on a sub roll with grilled
onions and peppers, my favorite! We were pretty removed from
civilization, so food there wasn't really an adventure, just farm food.



I love Italian sausage with onions and peppers on a good crusty Italian
sub roll. Real Italian food was very common in my hometown while I was
growing up there. New Haven had a huge Italian population.


Our food was influenced alot by Penn. Dutch. Just good farm food with
lots of veggies. And yes, I love scrapple. One thing that always got my
friends that came to the area was that when you had raw ground beef, it
was "hamburg" without the er. It was only "hamburger" when it was shaped
into a patty and cooked!

X ` Man[_3_] January 5th 12 06:06 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.


In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x


In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

X ` Man[_3_] January 5th 12 07:17 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/5/12 1:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x


In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.


I was a Teamster in 1962, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966



I made a buck more the following year loading beer delivery trucks at a
local brewery. The third summer I got placed through the Boilermakers
union and did a little better learning to clean out and repair huge
boilers that came back to the factory on rail flatcars. Through the mid
1960's, the New Haven area was a hotbed of manufacturing and plants
competed for workers who were willing to work.

The boiler factory job was the toughest job physically I ever had.
Climbing into boilers in the hot summer sun to clean tubes and and and
reweld was enough to make me sweat and feel like Niagara Falls every day.

The boiler company paid in cash every Friday at 3 pm. An armored car
would come onto the property and hand out pay envelopes.

The end of my junior year, my dad got me a job with Ruger Firearms. Bill
Ruger was a customer and friend of his. In fact, Ruger had a Porsche
Speedster and when he came by to visit my dad, he let me drive it around
the marina. But I didn't take that job...I was hired by the Kansas City
Star to start working that summer as a reporter, and I worked there and
then when my senior year of college started, I was asked if I wanted to
work through my final two semesters. Of course I did. So I was on campus
a couple of days a week for classes but from 4 pm to 12:30 am, I was a
newspaperman. Great days and great memories.



iBoaterer[_2_] January 5th 12 07:24 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 1:56 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.


I was a Teamster in 1962, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966



I made a buck more the following year loading beer delivery trucks at a
local brewery. The third summer I got placed through the Boilermakers
union and did a little better learning to clean out and repair huge
boilers that came back to the factory on rail flatcars. Through the mid
1960's, the New Haven area was a hotbed of manufacturing and plants
competed for workers who were willing to work.

The boiler factory job was the toughest job physically I ever had.
Climbing into boilers in the hot summer sun to clean tubes and and and
reweld was enough to make me sweat and feel like Niagara Falls every day.

The boiler company paid in cash every Friday at 3 pm. An armored car
would come onto the property and hand out pay envelopes.

The end of my junior year, my dad got me a job with Ruger Firearms. Bill
Ruger was a customer and friend of his. In fact, Ruger had a Porsche
Speedster and when he came by to visit my dad, he let me drive it around
the marina. But I didn't take that job...I was hired by the Kansas City
Star to start working that summer as a reporter, and I worked there and
then when my senior year of college started, I was asked if I wanted to
work through my final two semesters. Of course I did. So I was on campus
a couple of days a week for classes but from 4 pm to 12:30 am, I was a
newspaperman. Great days and great memories.


When I was in my teens, probably 14 or so, my brother worked for a
company that made wooden school chairs and desks. They paid in cash, and
had a contract with the government to clean money. Every coin that came
out of there was brand new shiny, and the bills were clean and crisp.
They sorted bills and returned ripped, worn, written on, etc. back to
the government.

X ` Man[_3_] January 5th 12 07:26 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/5/12 2:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 1:56 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1962, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966



I made a buck more the following year loading beer delivery trucks at a
local brewery. The third summer I got placed through the Boilermakers
union and did a little better learning to clean out and repair huge
boilers that came back to the factory on rail flatcars. Through the mid
1960's, the New Haven area was a hotbed of manufacturing and plants
competed for workers who were willing to work.

The boiler factory job was the toughest job physically I ever had.
Climbing into boilers in the hot summer sun to clean tubes and and and
reweld was enough to make me sweat and feel like Niagara Falls every day.

The boiler company paid in cash every Friday at 3 pm. An armored car
would come onto the property and hand out pay envelopes.

The end of my junior year, my dad got me a job with Ruger Firearms. Bill
Ruger was a customer and friend of his. In fact, Ruger had a Porsche
Speedster and when he came by to visit my dad, he let me drive it around
the marina. But I didn't take that job...I was hired by the Kansas City
Star to start working that summer as a reporter, and I worked there and
then when my senior year of college started, I was asked if I wanted to
work through my final two semesters. Of course I did. So I was on campus
a couple of days a week for classes but from 4 pm to 12:30 am, I was a
newspaperman. Great days and great memories.


When I was in my teens, probably 14 or so, my brother worked for a
company that made wooden school chairs and desks. They paid in cash, and
had a contract with the government to clean money. Every coin that came
out of there was brand new shiny, and the bills were clean and crisp.
They sorted bills and returned ripped, worn, written on, etc. back to
the government.



Money laundering!

Canuck57[_9_] January 5th 12 08:24 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 05/01/2012 2:02 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:51:48 -0700,
wrote:

The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


Or rent it. Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. Better
gas millage too when getting there.

--


Most of the people I know would be thousands of dollars a year ahead
if they just rented a boat on the dozen days a year they actually go
out. By the time you amortize a $40,000 boat over the 40 or 50 times
they use it before it just rots on the lift and toss in the
maintenance headaches from stale gas and other things sitting around
unused causes, $150 an hour rental is a bargain. They usually end up
getting a few thousand on a trade in and start over, promising
themselves they will try to use the boat more next time.
We get out 3 times a week for a couple hours each and I figure boating
costs me less than $8-10 an hour, all costs including maintenance and
gas in the computation. Gas is the biggest part of that number and
when we go slow in manatee season or when my wife says it is cold
(below 80) that can get me closer to $6-7 an hour.


Exactly. $100/day for 14 days is $1400 (book longer, lower rates). The
things depreciate faster than that. As you say, no stale gas, no
storage, no annual winterization, no road chips to repair, just fun.

Also why I charter. For the price you get the boat and a local expert.
While someone fiddles with their motor to get it started and doesn't
know where on the lake to go, your catching fish.

I can easily put $40K into investments for a 10% return and it pays for
the whole vacation each year.

Now if your retired, living on a lake, going to use it 60 days a
year....owning makes a lot of sense.

Plus without a boat you have flexibility. No obligations. Ocean
fishing in winter, or inland in summer, or the other coast and nothing
to tow. Probably why I lost count on the lakes/places I have fished.

Plus, if you have a boat, they don't let you take in on fly in fishing runs.

For me, it makes no sense to own. Being in southern Alberta, no real
decent lakes (there are a few but crowded) it saves me dragging it all over.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

Canuck57[_9_] January 5th 12 08:29 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 05/01/2012 5:36 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:09:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:30:06 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

“Boats are a great investment for a family because it’s a way to
socialize and spend time together,” says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. “A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing — it’s a unique way to bond. It’s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.”

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....


The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


So does the marginal cost per pound of the fish you catch.


Who cares?

Bad day fishing beats a good day at work.

Hearing the loons at sunset priceless peace and nature.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

Wayne.B January 5th 12 09:07 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:36:19 -0500, Happy John
wrote:

The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


So does the marginal cost per pound of the fish you catch.


===

Yes but I don't measure fish caught "by the pound" although it might
be an interesting number. I've finally gotten my cost "per fish"
down close to the 4 digit range.


Happy John January 5th 12 09:47 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:49:36 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.


In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x


Somewhere between 62K and 81K.

http://www.opm.gov/oca/12tables/html/dcb.asp

Happy John January 5th 12 09:51 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:29:09 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:

On 05/01/2012 5:36 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:09:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:30:06 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

“Boats are a great investment for a family because it’s a way to
socialize and spend time together,” says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. “A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing — it’s a unique way to bond. It’s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.”

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


So does the marginal cost per pound of the fish you catch.


Who cares?

Bad day fishing beats a good day at work.

Hearing the loons at sunset priceless peace and nature.


Well, obviously the owners of boats who are recreational fishermen are like the honey badger - they
don't give a **** how much it costs!

I can't argue with your last two lines at all. I've got to learn how to fish Lake Anna down here in
Virginia. People are catching the hell out of rockfish (striped bass, stripers, etc.). The hard part
is the drive down and back - 162 miles round trip.

Happy John January 5th 12 09:55 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:07:01 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:36:19 -0500, Happy John
wrote:

The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.


So does the marginal cost per pound of the fish you catch.


===

Yes but I don't measure fish caught "by the pound" although it might
be an interesting number. I've finally gotten my cost "per fish"
down close to the 4 digit range.


Usually I don't either. But, the first fish I caught with the $25K Proline was an expensive bugger.
It probably weighed about ten pounds, which made it much more costly than Safeway was getting for
rockfish. Four digits sounds about right - if I count croaker too.

Tim January 6th 12 03:24 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 5, 2:24*pm, Canuck57 wrote:


For me, it makes no sense to own. *Being in southern Alberta, no real
decent lakes (there are a few but crowded) it saves me dragging it all over.
--


But that's one of the beauties of a smaller trailer boat. It's paid
for, doesn't eat much, can be hooked to an any or no given notice, and
even head for a small lake 25 mi away (Omega Lake), run what you brung
and go home. No appointments, no real travel time, no hassles.

Kinda nice in the middle of the summer to drag the boat to work (4 mi)
the at 5, head for the lake, boat/relax for about 2-21/2 hrs, and be
home by 9pm right when the sun is down. did that 2-3 times a week a
couple years ago.

Sometimes it was just the boat, a life vest and a cold bottle of
water., and me of course.

very peaceful

Califbill January 6th 12 05:02 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.


In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x


In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.


I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was
$95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good
pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for
the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice
forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a
college Prof. and made about $16k a year.


Califbill January 6th 12 05:10 AM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:26:42 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

In this area and elsewhere, there are boat timeshare operations. The
dealer from whom I bought my Parkers is part of a national operation of
such. I asked my salesman there about it once, and was surprised at how
expensive it was. Of course, they send you out in new Gradys and
Parkers. But it still cheaper than buying, maintaining and either
trailering or slipping a new boat of similar quality.


I had a friend from work who was a member of one of those boat clubs.
It worked out well for him because he could arrange his work schedule
to get out in the middle of the week. He got a boat just about any
time he wanted it on a week day. You were in a virtual lottery on the
weekend.


--------------------------------------------------------
Admin assistant I had at one time, thought $180 for a 1/2 day of bass
fishing with a guide, including tip on Lake Fork, TX was excessive. Cheap
compared to what it costs for me to own and run my boat. And he furnished
the gear, and cleaned up at the end of the day. I would fish a 1/2 day with
him, which was a very generous 1/2 day and then drive to DFW to catch a
flight home. Was nice that way to go to Dallas for business meetings. Stay
in a $170 / day room for business and then grab a nice $50 room in Alba for
a night. Company paid for the car rental anyways.


North Star January 6th 12 12:54 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Jan 5, 11:24*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 5, 2:24*pm, Canuck57 wrote:



For me, it makes no sense to own. *Being in southern Alberta, no real
decent lakes (there are a few but crowded) it saves me dragging it all over.
--


But that's one of the beauties of a smaller trailer boat. It's paid
for, doesn't eat much, can be hooked to an any or no given notice, and
even head for a small lake 25 mi away (Omega Lake), run what you brung
and go home. No appointments, no real travel time, no hassles.

Kinda nice in the middle of the summer to drag the boat to work (4 mi)
the at 5, head for the lake, boat/relax for about 2-21/2 hrs, and be
home by 9pm right when the sun is down. *did that 2-3 times a week a
couple years ago.

Sometimes it was just the boat, a life vest and a cold bottle of
water., and me *of course.

very peaceful


! agree!
A trailerable boat is a great way to go. Sure saves a lot in yacht
club fees and you can boat in a much larger area without long ocean
voyages. The trick is to figure out what size boat is practical for
both small/medium lakes and coastal ocean waters.

Oscar January 6th 12 02:22 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x


In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.


I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.

If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life.

Wayne.B January 6th 12 02:37 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 04:54:51 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote:

The trick is to figure out what size boat is practical for
both small/medium lakes and coastal ocean waters.


===

A 24 ft I/O with a small cuddy cabin works well for that in my
experience. You need a truck or large SUV for towing however.


JustWait January 6th 12 03:01 PM

Boating on a budget? That's for me!
 
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.


I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.

If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life.


There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.


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