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On 1/6/12 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. It wasn't a warehouse, it was a factory. I happened to work out of the shipping and receiving department, loading finished product and unloading coils of steel and other industrial materials. We were paid nearly three times the minimum wage at that time, plus bennies. The $7 an hour package included the bennies, such as health care and our retirement fund, and a couple of other items. It's been a long time, but I recall the bennies were worth close to $3.00 an hour. It's not an unusual model: many construction unions have similar contracts...a $40 an hour compensation, of which $12 to $15 or more goes to bennies. There was another job I could have taken through another union during that time period, another factory that made electrical motors. The starting pay was a little higher. I don't remember why I took the job I did instead of the other one. Whatever your dad's experience, it was just anecdotal, just like mine was just anecdotal. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On Jan 6, 7:54*am, North Star wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:24*pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 5, 2:24*pm, Canuck57 wrote: For me, it makes no sense to own. *Being in southern Alberta, no real decent lakes (there are a few but crowded) it saves me dragging it all over. -- But that's one of the beauties of a smaller trailer boat. It's paid for, doesn't eat much, can be hooked to an any or no given notice, and even head for a small lake 25 mi away (Omega Lake), run what you brung and go home. No appointments, no real travel time, no hassles. Kinda nice in the middle of the summer to drag the boat to work (4 mi) the at 5, head for the lake, boat/relax for about 2-21/2 hrs, and be home by 9pm right when the sun is down. *did that 2-3 times a week a couple years ago. Sometimes it was just the boat, a life vest and a cold bottle of water., and me *of course. very peaceful ! agree! A trailerable boat is a great way to go. Sure saves a lot in yacht club fees and you can boat in a much larger area without long ocean voyages. The trick is to figure out what size boat is practical for both small/medium lakes and coastal ocean waters. I find my 20 footer to be right for Lake Erie, rough or smooth. |
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On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... |
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says... On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf |
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says... On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... Here's a good piece that tells the truth about wages in 1963: http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf |
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On 1/6/2012 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... As a matter of fact, if you look here at these figures, you will see that the average pay for Americans in 1963 was about 5800 dollars, or about $2.70 per hour... But if Harry said he was making $7 as a teamster in 1963, who am I to argue? |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 12:07 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... As a matter of fact, if you look here at these figures, you will see that the average pay for Americans in 1963 was about 5800 dollars, or about $2.70 per hour... But if Harry said he was making $7 as a teamster in 1963, who am I to argue? oooops, forgot the link... here it is. http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1963.html sorry... |
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On 1/6/12 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... 1. I wasn't "part-time" "summer" help. I was full time. 2. Our benefits were priced out as part of our hourly. 3. Your father worked under a totally different contract. |
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On 1/6/12 12:09 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:07 PM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... As a matter of fact, if you look here at these figures, you will see that the average pay for Americans in 1963 was about 5800 dollars, or about $2.70 per hour... But if Harry said he was making $7 as a teamster in 1963, who am I to argue? oooops, forgot the link... here it is. http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1963.html sorry... Heheheh. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 11:32 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. I believe you. Why wouldn't I? |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 11:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articlep8GdnaB8xJGTv5rSnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf Dock boys made a good living in those days. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 12:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/6/12 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... 1. I wasn't "part-time" "summer" help. I was full time. 2. Our benefits were priced out as part of our hourly. 3. Your father worked under a totally different contract. I can't imagine why he would think you are lying. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 12:07 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... As a matter of fact, if you look here at these figures, you will see that the average pay for Americans in 1963 was about 5800 dollars, or about $2.70 per hour... But if Harry said he was making $7 as a teamster in 1963, who am I to argue? Teamsters had a way to get their members paid more than they were worth. That's the only possible explanation. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 1:21 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:07 PM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least 10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's... The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the fastest in my department... As a matter of fact, if you look here at these figures, you will see that the average pay for Americans in 1963 was about 5800 dollars, or about $2.70 per hour... But if Harry said he was making $7 as a teamster in 1963, who am I to argue? Teamsters had a way to get their members paid more than they were worth. That's the only possible explanation. My dad was a Teamster back then, he worked for First National (grocery chain). If he was making that much, mom wouldn't have had to work so hard all those years;) |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 1:10 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:32 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. I believe you. Why wouldn't I? Because he is saying he was making over 500% minimum wage in 1963. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_t...m_wage_in_1963 and nearly twice what other teamsters were averaging at the time... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_were_..._wages_in_1968 Pretty good for a kid with no seniority. Since we are calling BS, I also question how a kid with no seniority gets to the highest paying (and easiest) job on the floor (General Warehouseman/Forklift Operator) unless he was the only guy in the shop;). Anybody who has ever worked in a union warehouse knows that ain't gonna' fly.... |
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On 1/6/2012 1:14 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In articlep8GdnaB8xJGTv5rSnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf Dock boys made a good living in those days. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_t...m_wage_in_1963 So, depending on when in 1963 you figure, his Dad paid anywhere from 3-14 times minimum wage to dock boys.. and harry was making from 5 - 28 times minimum wage... Ok, got it. |
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On 1/6/12 2:03 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 1:14 PM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In articlep8GdnaB8xJGTv5rSnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf Dock boys made a good living in those days. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_t...m_wage_in_1963 So, depending on when in 1963 you figure, his Dad paid anywhere from 3-14 times minimum wage to dock boys.. and harry was making from 5 - 28 times minimum wage... Ok, got it. Play on, boys. I'm not joining in your games. |
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On 1/6/2012 2:29 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/6/12 2:03 PM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 1:14 PM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In articlep8GdnaB8xJGTv5rSnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf Dock boys made a good living in those days. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_t...m_wage_in_1963 So, depending on when in 1963 you figure, his Dad paid anywhere from 3-14 times minimum wage to dock boys.. and harry was making from 5 - 28 times minimum wage... Ok, got it. Play on, boys. I'm not joining in your games. Not to worry. I got your back. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On Jan 6, 3:35*pm, Oscar
wrote: On 1/6/2012 2:29 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 1/6/12 2:03 PM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 1:14 PM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In articlep8GdnaB8xJGTv5rSnZ2dnUVZ_uCdn...@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message news:u8sbg7l22f5kbp3q7hkih1ug73j6bvcfl4@4 ax.com... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf Dock boys made a good living in those days. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_t...m_wage_in_1963 So, depending on when in 1963 you figure, his Dad paid anywhere from 3-14 times minimum wage to dock boys.. and harry was making from 5 - 28 times minimum wage... Ok, got it. Play on, boys. I'm not joining in your games. Not to worry. I got your back. Maybe that's what Harry's afraid off..... after all, he promised himself to his wife! |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
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@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 6, 3:35*pm, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 2:29 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 1/6/12 2:03 PM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 1:14 PM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 11:49 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In articlep8GdnaB8xJGTv5rSnZ2dnUVZ_uCdn...@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message news:u8sbg7l22f5kbp3q7hkih1ug73j6bvcfl4@4 ax.com... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress anyone here at this late stage in the game. My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to pony up to get qualified workers. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf Dock boys made a good living in those days. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_t...m_wage_in_1963 So, depending on when in 1963 you figure, his Dad paid anywhere from 3-14 times minimum wage to dock boys.. and harry was making from 5 - 28 times minimum wage... Ok, got it. Play on, boys. I'm not joining in your games. Not to worry. I got your back. Maybe that's what Harry's afraid off..... after all, he promised himself to his wife! And Don's the first to start the crap! |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:24:29 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Jan 5, 2:24*pm, Canuck57 wrote: For me, it makes no sense to own. *Being in southern Alberta, no real decent lakes (there are a few but crowded) it saves me dragging it all over. -- But that's one of the beauties of a smaller trailer boat. It's paid for, doesn't eat much, can be hooked to an any or no given notice, and even head for a small lake 25 mi away (Omega Lake), run what you brung and go home. No appointments, no real travel time, no hassles. Kinda nice in the middle of the summer to drag the boat to work (4 mi) the at 5, head for the lake, boat/relax for about 2-21/2 hrs, and be home by 9pm right when the sun is down. did that 2-3 times a week a couple years ago. Sometimes it was just the boat, a life vest and a cold bottle of water., and me of course. very peaceful I hate to say it, Tim, but it's much nicer skipping the work part and just going to the water! |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:01:34 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Hell, I was making more than that as a fry-cook at Garst's Drive-In in Sedalia, MO, in 1963. You must have your dad's pay way off. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/12 3:02 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jan 6, 3:35 pm, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 2:29 PM, X ` Man wrote: Play on, boys. I'm not joining in your games. Not to worry. I got your back. Maybe that's what Harry's afraid off..... after all, he promised himself to his wife! Let it go. The snarks are not worth a response. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 5:26 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/6/12 3:02 PM, North Star wrote: On Jan 6, 3:35 pm, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 2:29 PM, X ` Man wrote: Play on, boys. I'm not joining in your games. Not to worry. I got your back. Maybe that's what Harry's afraid off..... after all, he promised himself to his wife! Let it go. The snarks are not worth a response. OK I'll let it go, but snarky remarks like that are just going to put us back where we were. |
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Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/2012 4:03 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:01:34 -0500, wrote: On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote: On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man wrote: I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the government That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about $7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts, picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most of your own expenses. I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966 ============================= Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week. Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year. If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life. There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963... sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most. Hell, I was making more than that as a fry-cook at Garst's Drive-In in Sedalia, MO, in 1963. You must have your dad's pay way off. Guess so... can't ask him now though. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On Jan 6, 3:00*pm, Happy John wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:24:29 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 5, 2:24 pm, Canuck57 wrote: For me, it makes no sense to own. Being in southern Alberta, no real decent lakes (there are a few but crowded) it saves me dragging it all over. -- But that's one of the beauties of a smaller trailer boat. It's paid for, doesn't eat much, can be hooked to an any or no given notice, and even head for a small lake 25 mi away (Omega Lake), run what you brung and go home. No appointments, no real travel time, no hassles. Kinda nice in the middle of the summer to drag the boat to work (4 mi) the at 5, head for the lake, boat/relax for about 2-21/2 hrs, and be home by 9pm right when the sun is down. *did that 2-3 times a week a couple years ago. Sometimes it was just the boat, a life vest and a cold bottle of water., and me *of course. very peaceful I hate to say it, Tim, but it's much nicer skipping the work part and just going to the water! i can appreciate that..... |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/6/12 6:10 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 3:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:52:04 -0500, X ` Man wrote: We were paid nearly three times the minimum wage at that time, plus bennies. Minimum wage in 1963 was about a buck an hour. Actually from what I read, it was $.25 an hour till sometime in 1963 when President Kennedy raised it to $1.25... The modern federal minimum wage legislation was reestablished in 1938, at 25 cents an hour. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On Jan 6, 3:15*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:03:09 -0500, Happy John wrote: Hell, I was making more than that as a fry-cook at Garst's Drive-In in Sedalia, MO, in 1963. You must have your dad's pay way off. Let's just agree that there was even a huge wage disparity in 1963 too and go boating! The boat is in the water, cooler packed and I am casting off as soon as my wife gets home I feel for you! |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
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Boating on a budget? That's for me!
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Boating on a budget? That's for me!
Tim wrote:
On Jan 5, 3:02 am, wrote: On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:51:48 -0700, wrote: The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour cost drops to a very low number. Or rent it. Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. Better gas millage too when getting there. -- Most of the people I know would be thousands of dollars a year ahead if they just rented a boat on the dozen days a year they actually go out. By the time you amortize a $40,000 boat over the 40 or 50 times they use it before it just rots on the lift and toss in the maintenance headaches from stale gas and other things sitting around unused causes, $150 an hour rental is a bargain. They usually end up getting a few thousand on a trade in and start over, promising themselves they will try to use the boat more next time. We get out 3 times a week for a couple hours each and I figure boating costs me less than $8-10 an hour, all costs including maintenance and gas in the computation. Gas is the biggest part of that number and when we go slow in manatee season or when my wife says it is cold (below 80) that can get me closer to $6-7 an hour. round here, there's not much chance on renting a boat that is unless it's some giant houseboat. The marina liabilities won't allow it. Search for boating clubs in your area. They are fractional ownership clubs with several boats from which you can choose. Some offer a variety depending on the use you have in mind - fishing, cruising, overnighting, etc. |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 20:35:58 -0500, wrote: wrote: On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:51:48 -0700, wrote: The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour cost drops to a very low number. Or rent it. Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. Better gas millage too when getting there. -- Most of the people I know would be thousands of dollars a year ahead if they just rented a boat on the dozen days a year they actually go out. By the time you amortize a $40,000 boat over the 40 or 50 times they use it before it just rots on the lift and toss in the maintenance headaches from stale gas and other things sitting around unused causes, $150 an hour rental is a bargain. They usually end up getting a few thousand on a trade in and start over, promising themselves they will try to use the boat more next time. We get out 3 times a week for a couple hours each and I figure boating costs me less than $8-10 an hour, all costs including maintenance and gas in the computation. Gas is the biggest part of that number and when we go slow in manatee season or when my wife says it is cold (below 80) that can get me closer to $6-7 an hour. That's an interesting thought but I prefer to have my boat available whenever I need it and I'm lucky enough to live in an area where I can use it 300+ days a year! The question is, will you? I log about 300 hours a year so it is easy to justify owning a boat. There are other people here who don't use 10% of that a year. I boated over 400 hours last year - about 285 underway according to the hour meters. Much of that was fishing and trolling - I have a trailerable center console fishing boat. |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:29:29 -0500, Earl wrote:
wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 20:35:58 -0500, wrote: wrote: On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:51:48 -0700, wrote: The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour cost drops to a very low number. Or rent it. Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. Better gas millage too when getting there. -- Most of the people I know would be thousands of dollars a year ahead if they just rented a boat on the dozen days a year they actually go out. By the time you amortize a $40,000 boat over the 40 or 50 times they use it before it just rots on the lift and toss in the maintenance headaches from stale gas and other things sitting around unused causes, $150 an hour rental is a bargain. They usually end up getting a few thousand on a trade in and start over, promising themselves they will try to use the boat more next time. We get out 3 times a week for a couple hours each and I figure boating costs me less than $8-10 an hour, all costs including maintenance and gas in the computation. Gas is the biggest part of that number and when we go slow in manatee season or when my wife says it is cold (below 80) that can get me closer to $6-7 an hour. That's an interesting thought but I prefer to have my boat available whenever I need it and I'm lucky enough to live in an area where I can use it 300+ days a year! The question is, will you? I log about 300 hours a year so it is easy to justify owning a boat. There are other people here who don't use 10% of that a year. I boated over 400 hours last year - about 285 underway according to the hour meters. Much of that was fishing and trolling - I have a trailerable center console fishing boat. Best way to go, in my opinion. I got my Key West 186 CC a couple years ago and love it! |
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Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On 1/10/2012 10:54 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:20:00 -0500, wrote: That's an interesting thought but I prefer to have my boat available whenever I need it and I'm lucky enough to live in an area where I can use it 300+ days a year! The question is, will you? I log about 300 hours a year so it is easy to justify owning a boat. There are other people here who don't use 10% of that a year. === We've logged about 3,000 hours on the trawler over 7 years, another 200+ on the runabout, and at least another several hundred on the dinghies. Whats it cost you a year to live like that? Just wonderin'... |
Boating on a budget? That's for me!
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:56:57 -0500, JustWait
wrote: On 1/10/2012 10:54 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:20:00 -0500, wrote: That's an interesting thought but I prefer to have my boat available whenever I need it and I'm lucky enough to live in an area where I can use it 300+ days a year! The question is, will you? I log about 300 hours a year so it is easy to justify owning a boat. There are other people here who don't use 10% of that a year. === We've logged about 3,000 hours on the trawler over 7 years, another 200+ on the runabout, and at least another several hundred on the dinghies. Whats it cost you a year to live like that? Just wonderin'... === I honestly don't know and purposely avoid that calculation. The cost of cruising runs all over the map depending a lot on how much time you spend in marinas and restaurants. Many of our ownership costs are fixed regardless of whether we use the boat are not, even some of the maintenance expenses. Our average fuel burn is about 7 to 8 gallons/hour when underway, about $30 at current prices. Variable maintenance costs probably add another 50 to 100%. |
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