33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

On 12/31/11 11:49 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 12/31/2011 11:42 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/31/11 11:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 12/31/2011 8:17 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/30/11 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:36:45 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:10:25 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 12/30/11 6:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:09:14 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:55:43 -0500, wrote:

On 12/30/2011 6:59 AM, X ` Man wrote:
Ahh, then here's a deal you won't be able to resist. Beginning
Sunday,
day one of 2012, I'll refrain from what I perceive as violating
your
"rules of decency," so long as you refrain from attempting to
insult me
or my family members directly or indirectly *and* you
continuously
castigate all of those who continue to "violate the rules of
decency,
good will and common sense." The *and* is important.

If you accept the "deal," I suspect you'll be very busy here. If
you
don't accept the deal, you'll just be proving your hypocrisy.

That's the deal. Take it or leave it.



--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

Can we assume that you will drop your inflammatory sig lines as
well?
Why not extend the invitation to everyone; but first you need to
change
the wording to include everyone instead of just you and your
family
member. Also, I do have a problem with "what I perceive". Can you
change
that so that we can all play this game on a "level playing
field"?

We know you like to carefully word things so that you can avail
yourself of loopholes, insinuations, ambiguous and misleading
descriptors.And you write deals to give yourself unfair
advantage. After
all, isn't that part of liberal arts training? I believe I read
that
somewhere in a synopsis.

Anything you are willing to do to help stem this downward
spiral in
rec.boats would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much,
Oscar

I've been trying to get such a deal from him for years. Hope he
sticks to the spirit of his 'deal',
and not just the letter.

You're never going to get that "deal" because all of your
anti-Harry
buddies won't let it go. Harry's dying to get them going again and
they ALWAYS make it easy for him to do just that. If you doubt what
I'm saying, go look at the posting history. Every year, SSDD.


1. It is true "they" can't let it go. I've been "away" from
rec.boats
and not posting at all for a couple of weeks at a time now and then,
and
the morons continue their juvenile games. These boys have nothing
else
going in their lives so to suddenly stop their bad boy behavior here
would leave them with nothing to post.

2. What little interest I have in this newsgroup continues to
decline.
Hell, I don't even read most of the posts of the assholes here, much
less comment on them. There are many other, more interesting venues
these days, and these are not packed with right-wing losers and
iLoogys.

That's true. Harry hardly ever posts here anymore. Maybe thirty or
forty a day, but that's a huge
drop. He's obviously lost most of his interest in this place.

You have to concede Harry his point, as well. During a protracted
period of time that (I believe) Harry didn't post here. The anti-Harry
faction created numerous sock puppet Harrys just to keep the ****
going.

Obviously, when Harry got back, he dived back in.


When did it not become a civic duty to rub the faces of
right-wingers in
their stupidity? :)

Wayne, obviously, either missed or decided not to take me up on the
proposal I offered him.

Perhaps I'll make a bet with myself...that even if I refrain from
insulting the right-wing morons and the iLoogy moron in the new year,
they'll still behave as badly as they always have. I'm pretty sure I'd
win that bet. Most of them have no other reason to be here. Herring
isn't going to change, and neither are iSnotty, flajim, the latest
iteration of "Krueger," flajim, the rest of the turdpack, or the new
handle every day boys, and w'hine will still be attempting to troll
here.

Imagine iSnotty behaving in a civilized manner...I can't, can you?







Obviously, the fishing is pretty good.

Wayne is a whole lot smarter than you give him credit for.


D'oh. You're not in a position to know. I think Wayne is a bright guy.
Wayne and I disagree on the direction corporations have taken this
country and on other issues, but that doesn't mean I think he is
dimwitted. Quite the contrary.

There are a few bright posters here whose politics differ from mine.

You aren't among them. Further, I am sure you will be behaving as badly
in 2012 as you have to date, no matter what your new handle is.





You have turned into a crashing boor in your old age.


More likely, I'm not that interested in engaging you in badinage. You're
not very bright, you're right-wing trash, and I'm sure your wife, if you
have one, dresses you funny. As I stated, I'm sure your behavior here
will not improve in 2012. You are a perfect playmate for iSnotty and
iLoogy.

--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

On 12/31/2011 11:52 AM, X ` Man wrote:

More likely, I'm not that interested in engaging you in badinage. You're
not very bright, you're right-wing trash, and I'm sure your wife, if you
have one, dresses you funny. As I stated, I'm sure your behavior here
will not improve in 2012. You are a perfect playmate for iSnotty and
iLoogy.

--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

When are you going to lose the stupid sig lines that you think are so
clever?

I was never interested in bandying about anything with you. Your views
are so far off the wall, only Plume can appreciate them.

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:50:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:49:52 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

I wonder why there are few licenses required to own high powered boats.

===

The law of the sea has its' own way of adjudicating things.

Well said. I prefer good seamanship and experience to a piece of paper
any day. Hopefully people will learn about seamanship, only boat
within their abilities and they will learn about survival at sea..

The sea can take the rest of them. Crabs gotta eat too.

In about 1975, we had to locate a valve on a pipeline on the sea floor in
the Gulf of Mexico. This was pre GPS days. The survey boat came in, did
their electronic gizmo stuff, and steered straight on a heading. Along the
way, when they got to a certain point, they threw off five cane pole buoys
with flags atop them. They ran a perpendicular route to those flags, and
dropped five more, intersecting the previous five.

We dove on the site, and found the valve on the second dive. No horizon in
sight, about 80 miles out. We were impressed.

That same night, they ran into an unmanned platform, and nearly sank. Never
heard the whole story, but I bet someone was stoned, or in an altered state
of consciousness. They could find a needle in a haystack, yet ran into a
stationary steel platform.

Go figger.

Steve

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

Oscar wrote:
On 12/31/2011 11:52 AM, X ` Man wrote:

More likely, I'm not that interested in engaging you in badinage. You're
not very bright, you're right-wing trash, and I'm sure your wife, if you
have one, dresses you funny. As I stated, I'm sure your behavior here
will not improve in 2012. You are a perfect playmate for iSnotty and
iLoogy.

--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

When are you going to lose the stupid sig lines that you think are so
clever?

I was never interested in bandying about anything with you. Your views
are so far off the wall, only Plume can appreciate them.
He *is* Plume.

-HB

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:40:17 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

In about 1975, we had to locate a valve on a pipeline on the sea floor in
the Gulf of Mexico. This was pre GPS days. The survey boat came in, did
their electronic gizmo stuff, and steered straight on a heading. Along the
way, when they got to a certain point, they threw off five cane pole buoys
with flags atop them. They ran a perpendicular route to those flags, and
dropped five more, intersecting the previous five.

We dove on the site, and found the valve on the second dive. No horizon in
sight, about 80 miles out. We were impressed.

That same night, they ran into an unmanned platform, and nearly sank. Never
heard the whole story, but I bet someone was stoned, or in an altered state
of consciousness. They could find a needle in a haystack, yet ran into a
stationary steel platform.

Go figger.

===

I'd figger that it should have shown up on both charts and radar.

The law of the sea has its' own way of adjudicating things. And
sometimes there's just bad luck, which you're expected to prepare for
and act accordingly. For all of its charm, the sea just doesn't
care.

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

In article ac10da52-39dc-4d65-aac1-1f5c1b983c49
@d10g2000vbk.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 31, 9:17*am, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/30/11 9:09 PM, wrote:





On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:36:45 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:10:25 -0500, X ` *wrote:

On 12/30/11 6:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:09:14 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:55:43 -0500, * wrote:

On 12/30/2011 6:59 AM, X ` Man wrote:
Ahh, then here's a deal you won't be able to resist. Beginning Sunday,
day one of 2012, I'll refrain from what I perceive as violating your
"rules of decency," so long as you refrain from attempting to insult me
or my family members directly or indirectly *and* you continuously
castigate all of those who continue to "violate the rules of decency,
good will and common sense." The *and* is important.

If you accept the "deal," I suspect you'll be very busy here. If you
don't accept the deal, you'll just be proving your hypocrisy.

That's the deal. Take it or leave it.

--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

* * * *Can we assume that you will drop your inflammatory sig lines as well?
Why not extend the invitation to everyone; but first you need to change
the wording to include everyone instead of just you and your family
member. Also, I do have a problem with "what I perceive". Can you change
that so that we can all play this game on a "level playing field"?

* * * *We know you like to carefully word things so that you can avail
yourself of loopholes, insinuations, ambiguous and misleading
descriptors.And you write deals to give yourself unfair advantage. After
all, isn't that part of liberal arts training? I believe I read that
somewhere in a synopsis.

* * * *Anything you are willing to do to help stem this downward spiral in
rec.boats would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much,
Oscar

I've been trying to get such a deal from him for years. Hope he sticks to the spirit of his 'deal',
and not just the letter.

You're never going to get that "deal" because all of your anti-Harry
buddies won't let it go. Harry's dying to get them going again and
they ALWAYS make it easy for him to do just that. If you doubt what
I'm saying, go look at the posting history. Every year, SSDD.

1. It is true "they" can't let it go. I've been "away" from rec.boats
and not posting at all for a couple of weeks at a time now and then, and
the morons continue their juvenile games. These boys have nothing else
going in their lives so to suddenly stop their bad boy behavior here
would leave them with nothing to post.

2. What little interest I have in this newsgroup continues to decline.
Hell, I don't even read most of the posts of the assholes here, much
less comment on them. There are many other, more interesting venues
these days, and these are not packed with right-wing losers and iLoogys.

That's true. Harry hardly ever posts here anymore. Maybe thirty or forty a day, but that's a huge
drop. He's obviously lost most of his interest in this place.

You have to concede Harry his point, as well. During a protracted
period of time that (I believe) Harry didn't post here. The anti-Harry
faction created numerous sock puppet Harrys just to keep the ****
going.

Obviously, when Harry got back, he dived back in.

When did it not become a civic duty to rub the faces of right-wingers in
their stupidity? *:)

Wayne, obviously, either missed or decided not to take me up on the
proposal I offered him.

Perhaps I'll make a bet with myself...that even if I refrain from
insulting the right-wing morons and the iLoogy moron in the new year,
they'll still behave as badly as they always have. I'm pretty sure I'd
win that bet. Most of them have no other reason to be here. Herring
isn't going to change, and neither are iSnotty, flajim, the latest
iteration of "Krueger," flajim, the rest of the turdpack, or the new
handle every day boys, and w'hine will still be attempting to troll here.

Imagine iSnotty behaving in a civilized manner...I can't, can you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If anyone is dumb enough to take you up on that bet I want a piece of
the action.
Speaking of dumb... I wonder if Kevin wants to bet $500.00?

I don't know about Kevin, but I'd LOVE to take you up on your bet where
you said that John was right that I AM Kevin. Ready? I didn't think so,
Suckling Don the Coward?

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 12/31/11 11:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 12/31/2011 8:17 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/30/11 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:36:45 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:10:25 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 12/30/11 6:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:09:14 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:55:43 -0500, wrote:

On 12/30/2011 6:59 AM, X ` Man wrote:
Ahh, then here's a deal you won't be able to resist. Beginning
Sunday,
day one of 2012, I'll refrain from what I perceive as violating
your
"rules of decency," so long as you refrain from attempting to
insult me
or my family members directly or indirectly *and* you continuously
castigate all of those who continue to "violate the rules of
decency,
good will and common sense." The *and* is important.

If you accept the "deal," I suspect you'll be very busy here. If
you
don't accept the deal, you'll just be proving your hypocrisy.

That's the deal. Take it or leave it.



--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

Can we assume that you will drop your inflammatory sig lines as
well?
Why not extend the invitation to everyone; but first you need to
change
the wording to include everyone instead of just you and your family
member. Also, I do have a problem with "what I perceive". Can you
change
that so that we can all play this game on a "level playing field"?

We know you like to carefully word things so that you can avail
yourself of loopholes, insinuations, ambiguous and misleading
descriptors.And you write deals to give yourself unfair
advantage. After
all, isn't that part of liberal arts training? I believe I read
that
somewhere in a synopsis.

Anything you are willing to do to help stem this downward spiral in
rec.boats would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much,
Oscar

I've been trying to get such a deal from him for years. Hope he
sticks to the spirit of his 'deal',
and not just the letter.

You're never going to get that "deal" because all of your anti-Harry
buddies won't let it go. Harry's dying to get them going again and
they ALWAYS make it easy for him to do just that. If you doubt what
I'm saying, go look at the posting history. Every year, SSDD.


1. It is true "they" can't let it go. I've been "away" from rec.boats
and not posting at all for a couple of weeks at a time now and then,
and
the morons continue their juvenile games. These boys have nothing else
going in their lives so to suddenly stop their bad boy behavior here
would leave them with nothing to post.

2. What little interest I have in this newsgroup continues to decline.
Hell, I don't even read most of the posts of the assholes here, much
less comment on them. There are many other, more interesting venues
these days, and these are not packed with right-wing losers and
iLoogys.

That's true. Harry hardly ever posts here anymore. Maybe thirty or
forty a day, but that's a huge
drop. He's obviously lost most of his interest in this place.

You have to concede Harry his point, as well. During a protracted
period of time that (I believe) Harry didn't post here. The anti-Harry
faction created numerous sock puppet Harrys just to keep the ****
going.

Obviously, when Harry got back, he dived back in.


When did it not become a civic duty to rub the faces of right-wingers in
their stupidity? :)

Wayne, obviously, either missed or decided not to take me up on the
proposal I offered him.

Perhaps I'll make a bet with myself...that even if I refrain from
insulting the right-wing morons and the iLoogy moron in the new year,
they'll still behave as badly as they always have. I'm pretty sure I'd
win that bet. Most of them have no other reason to be here. Herring
isn't going to change, and neither are iSnotty, flajim, the latest
iteration of "Krueger," flajim, the rest of the turdpack, or the new
handle every day boys, and w'hine will still be attempting to troll here.

Imagine iSnotty behaving in a civilized manner...I can't, can you?







Obviously, the fishing is pretty good.

Wayne is a whole lot smarter than you give him credit for.


D'oh. You're not in a position to know. I think Wayne is a bright guy.
Wayne and I disagree on the direction corporations have taken this
country and on other issues, but that doesn't mean I think he is
dimwitted. Quite the contrary.

There are a few bright posters here whose politics differ from mine.

You aren't among them. Further, I am sure you will be behaving as badly
in 2012 as you have to date, no matter what your new handle is.

As will you, coward.

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 12/31/11 11:49 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 12/31/2011 11:42 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/31/11 11:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 12/31/2011 8:17 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/30/11 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:36:45 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:10:25 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 12/30/11 6:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:09:14 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:55:43 -0500, wrote:

On 12/30/2011 6:59 AM, X ` Man wrote:
Ahh, then here's a deal you won't be able to resist. Beginning
Sunday,
day one of 2012, I'll refrain from what I perceive as violating
your
"rules of decency," so long as you refrain from attempting to
insult me
or my family members directly or indirectly *and* you
continuously
castigate all of those who continue to "violate the rules of
decency,
good will and common sense." The *and* is important.

If you accept the "deal," I suspect you'll be very busy here. If
you
don't accept the deal, you'll just be proving your hypocrisy.

That's the deal. Take it or leave it.



--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

Can we assume that you will drop your inflammatory sig lines as
well?
Why not extend the invitation to everyone; but first you need to
change
the wording to include everyone instead of just you and your
family
member. Also, I do have a problem with "what I perceive". Can you
change
that so that we can all play this game on a "level playing
field"?

We know you like to carefully word things so that you can avail
yourself of loopholes, insinuations, ambiguous and misleading
descriptors.And you write deals to give yourself unfair
advantage. After
all, isn't that part of liberal arts training? I believe I read
that
somewhere in a synopsis.

Anything you are willing to do to help stem this downward
spiral in
rec.boats would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much,
Oscar

I've been trying to get such a deal from him for years. Hope he
sticks to the spirit of his 'deal',
and not just the letter.

You're never going to get that "deal" because all of your
anti-Harry
buddies won't let it go. Harry's dying to get them going again and
they ALWAYS make it easy for him to do just that. If you doubt what
I'm saying, go look at the posting history. Every year, SSDD.


1. It is true "they" can't let it go. I've been "away" from
rec.boats
and not posting at all for a couple of weeks at a time now and then,
and
the morons continue their juvenile games. These boys have nothing
else
going in their lives so to suddenly stop their bad boy behavior here
would leave them with nothing to post.

2. What little interest I have in this newsgroup continues to
decline.
Hell, I don't even read most of the posts of the assholes here, much
less comment on them. There are many other, more interesting venues
these days, and these are not packed with right-wing losers and
iLoogys.

That's true. Harry hardly ever posts here anymore. Maybe thirty or
forty a day, but that's a huge
drop. He's obviously lost most of his interest in this place.

You have to concede Harry his point, as well. During a protracted
period of time that (I believe) Harry didn't post here. The anti-Harry
faction created numerous sock puppet Harrys just to keep the ****
going.

Obviously, when Harry got back, he dived back in.


When did it not become a civic duty to rub the faces of
right-wingers in
their stupidity? :)

Wayne, obviously, either missed or decided not to take me up on the
proposal I offered him.

Perhaps I'll make a bet with myself...that even if I refrain from
insulting the right-wing morons and the iLoogy moron in the new year,
they'll still behave as badly as they always have. I'm pretty sure I'd
win that bet. Most of them have no other reason to be here. Herring
isn't going to change, and neither are iSnotty, flajim, the latest
iteration of "Krueger," flajim, the rest of the turdpack, or the new
handle every day boys, and w'hine will still be attempting to troll
here.

Imagine iSnotty behaving in a civilized manner...I can't, can you?







Obviously, the fishing is pretty good.

Wayne is a whole lot smarter than you give him credit for.


D'oh. You're not in a position to know. I think Wayne is a bright guy.
Wayne and I disagree on the direction corporations have taken this
country and on other issues, but that doesn't mean I think he is
dimwitted. Quite the contrary.

There are a few bright posters here whose politics differ from mine.

You aren't among them. Further, I am sure you will be behaving as badly
in 2012 as you have to date, no matter what your new handle is.





You have turned into a crashing boor in your old age.


More likely, I'm not that interested in engaging you in badinage. You're
not very bright, you're right-wing trash, and I'm sure your wife, if you
have one, dresses you funny. As I stated, I'm sure your behavior here
will not improve in 2012. You are a perfect playmate for iSnotty and
iLoogy.

And neither will yours.

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

On Dec 29 2011, 9:09*am, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:33:27 -0500, Wayne.B

wrote:

http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-12-28/Boat-sinks-off-Key-W....

According to the news report they pulled the anchor from the stern
after it became stuck.

"We put it back on the stern to bring it up and we had power on it
and when we had let go, it snatched back and the waves filled the
stern up with water"

It's not clear if it was a low transom boat or not but it sounds like
it might have been.

They were saved by their EPIRB and life raft.

It is a recipe for disaster *to shorten the scope of the anchor line
and tug from the stern. Hell, anchoring from the stern isn't a good
idea, either, and for them same reasons.

I wonder how close to being drug under water the stern was, before the
stretchy rode yanked them back.

This guy isn't "unlucky", he's just stupid.

Maybe be just wasn't thinking with all the calamity? He might have
been 'lucky' hundreds of times, but this one really payed off...

I definitely would have cut the line. that is if i would have
thought about it.

33 Foot Boat sinks off Key West While Pulling Anchor From Stern
 

On Jan 4, 9:04*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:42:34 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:









On Dec 29 2011, 9:09*am, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:33:27 -0500, Wayne.B

wrote:

http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-12-28/Boat-sinks-off-Key-W...

According to the news report they pulled the anchor from the stern
after it became stuck.

"We put it back on the stern to bring it up and we had power on it
and when we had let go, it snatched back and the waves filled the
stern up with water"

It's not clear if it was a low transom boat or not but it sounds like
it might have been.

They were saved by their EPIRB and life raft.

It is a recipe for disaster *to shorten the scope of the anchor line
and tug from the stern. Hell, anchoring from the stern isn't a good
idea, either, and for them same reasons.

I wonder how close to being drug under water the stern was, before the
stretchy rode yanked them back.

This guy isn't "unlucky", he's just stupid.

Maybe be just wasn't thinking with all the calamity? He might have
been 'lucky' hundreds of times, but this one really payed off...

I definitely would have cut the line. *that is if i would have
thought about it.

I still think these guys took a running start at this, based on what
the mate said on TV and when it didn't break the anchor loose they
snapped back and sunk the boat. I doubt they had time to cut the line.

Yeah, and it would seem they've done that trick before, with no
events.

"it ain't happened to us yet!"