On 03/12/2011 6:49 AM, Haywood Jablomie wrote:
On 3-Dec-2011, wrote:

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

Rates are not low because demand is high.

Rates are low because US Fed lends out at 0%. Banks don't need to pay
interest to savers if they can get free money. There is no balance in
the lend-borrow market place.

And how if ****s you? Social security gets maybe 1% on the money it
lends to government. 6% is real unadjusted inflation. So in fact
Social Security loses 5% value per year.

Say $1000 in SS gets $10 interest. But it takes $1060 to buy the same
stuff a year later. In value terms Social security is being skimmed by
DC.

Yep, they will collect more and pay out less in the long term.

Worse of t-bill holders using real money. You lend $1000 and get 1%,
$10. But it takes $1060 to buy he same stuff a year later. But wait,
you have to pay tax on the $10. So in fact you lose more than 5%.

Whole scale Bernanke-0bama fraud really. A zero rate economy of
depreciating value of money.

And part of why your going to be so ****ed in the end. Government isn't
going to be able to increase your social security, Medicare and other
benefits with inflation money print.

But you are just too ****ing stupid to see it. Good 0bama sheeples.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

...might as well understand you're responding to a 55 I.Q.

I think your being generous. Perhaps 55 if we add bpuharic and harryk
together.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On 03/12/2011 7:01 AM, Haywood Jablomie wrote:
On 2-Dec-2011, wrote:

Buyout firms don't buy debt, they buy assets. Debt is liquidated.
That's
the advantage of buying bankrupt companies. SUCESFUL companies left the
U.S. long ago unless the cost of freight offsets the many other
advantages
such as costs, your predatory government, and your relentlessly begging
population.

And each day DC fleabaggerism goes on, the worse it gets. I figure USA
is now well past an easy recovery. Too much real wealth is gone and the
problem causes of government-banks is still underway digging a deeper
hole.

To recover, there has to something to be recovered. Your core economic base
is gone. Productive output is not an option for 4 to 5 generations. What
you need to do is adapt to a very uncomfortable living standard.

Agreed. And that is why this economic downturn is going to be 2
decades. Just like Russia and others have done. I don't think it takes
4-5 generations. Perhaps 1 or 2. But certainly a lot longer than a
year or three.

Not really worried about me, I just have to pace inflation and I will
not run out of cash flow until I am well over 100 and not likely to live
that long. That is conservative too, as 2/3rd is tax paid and does not
include pensions.

Nope, the people really getting screwed are the mid-lifers and those
loosing jobs they cannot replace and lost them to economic screw ups by
their own government. Then they lose the house, the marriage...and
almost impossible to recover from that. A major life setback.

And my grand kids are also the ones really going to be screwed.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On 03/12/2011 6:00 AM, bpuharic wrote:

yeah the socialists of the rich, using the middle class as a piggy
bank, has destroyed the middle class, with the support of the right
wing.

Yep, you just described your hero 0bama. Yep, you worship the very
people selling you out.

YOU are responsible for this. YOU SOCIALISTS did this. your insistence
that the middle class sit back and take it while the rich get richer
THEN bailout the rich, with SOCIALISM, is at fault.

Hardly, i can't vote in US elections. And only 1 vote in a sea of
fleabaggers in Canada. I can't fight mass stupidity and irrationality
driven by envy and greed. But I can protect myself from it.

It is the only way government can keep the rates low is to create more
no value inflation money. Started in earnest with the criminal
Bernanke's appointment and democrat 2006 congress.

inflation money.

golly. 2% wow.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit.../inflation-cpi

And that is if you believe government numbers, by their calculations
gold should be $300/ounce, oil should be $30/barrel, food should be 1/2
price, homes are expensive even no compared to 1914. A middle class
auto should be $16k or so.

Fact is it is just more government bull****. Inflation is always higher
than government quotes it at.

And realized inflation isn't the same as pending inflation. For example
if a companies raw material costs go up and they can offset it by laying
people off to keep the rices the same, that is a hidden job loss
inflation the government doesn't even factor in at all.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:50:29 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 03/12/2011 6:00 AM, bpuharic wrote:

yeah the socialists of the rich, using the middle class as a piggy
bank, has destroyed the middle class, with the support of the right
wing.

Yep, you just described your hero 0bama. Yep, you worship the very
people selling you out.

the racist klan klown thinks obama's been pres since 1980


YOU are responsible for this. YOU SOCIALISTS did this. your insistence
that the middle class sit back and take it while the rich get richer
THEN bailout the rich, with SOCIALISM, is at fault.

Hardly, i can't vote in US elections. And only 1 vote in a sea of
fleabaggers in Canada. I can't fight mass stupidity and irrationality
driven by envy and greed. But I can protect myself from it.

guess what, idiot. you can't. if society collapses, you cant protect
yoruself. look at libya...the ultmiate victory of right wing ideology

not too bright, are you?


inflation money.

golly. 2% wow.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit.../inflation-cpi

hahhah

he's too stupid to know that DEFLATION is worse than INFLATION...


And that is if you believe government numbers, by their calculations
gold should be $300/ounce, oil should be $30/barrel, food should be 1/2
price, homes are expensive even no compared to 1914. A middle class
auto should be $16k or so.

gold?? what's next? tulip bulbs?


Fact is it is just more government bull****. Inflation is always higher
than government quotes it at.

fact is you dont know economics. where's inflation? it's measured by
INDEPENDENT methods, and includes govt measurements. ever hear of
purchasing power parity? THAT is a more reliable indicator of personal
buying power

but you're right wing...and stupid

which is a redundancy




And realized inflation isn't the same as pending inflation. For example
if a companies raw material costs go up and they can offset it by laying
people off to keep the rices the same, that is a hidden job loss
inflation the government doesn't even factor in at all.

you've been bitching about the 20% inflation rate for 2 years now

where is it?

tea leaves and chicken entrail reading...

On 03/12/2011 12:19 PM, Haywood Jablomie wrote:
On 2-Dec-2011, wrote:

USA nor Europe will recover without a further downturn. The fundamental
problems of government-bank fraud still exist. In fact worse because of
$15+ trillion of debt. And debt is pure consumption of wealth.

If Americans want a wealthy health economy, they have to get a grip and
realize that producers need to outnumber consumers. Currently America
is consumption is far higher than production.

Which means a fast recovery is just pure delusional bull****. Might get
a good dose of inflation, but inflation isn't wealth.

The only option for production is for "Americans" to refuse to send their
lowly incomes overseas, but they are unwilling. The "government" isn't going
to require Japan, Korea or China to balance trade; they get too many perks
for maintaining the current trend. The so called "globalization:" is
accurate, and occurred due to amazing communications over the past 20
years.. People in China (including the government) saw what used to exist in
the U.S., emulated the activity, and beat "Americans" at what caused
prosperity for 50 + years. Americans are no longer willing to compete -
individually, or governmentally.

Protectionism will not work. If you double the cost of autos to keep
union dogs like Government Motors alive, then far fewer people will buy
them. Sure, you would get more for each one but far fewer buy so you
could see less revenue. Pricing elastically will not allow
protectionism to work.

Another slight problem, USA can't build its own computers, TVs and a
long list of other things. The original north american made PC was
$9000 in 1980 dollars. About $25K today. How many are going to pay
$25,000 for a laptop or desktop PC?

Fact is protectionism could drive USA to third world status pretty
darned quick.

As for not wanting to compete, I agree. USA has given up competing, but
irrationally expects the standard of living. Isn't going to happen.
The only way out is to compete. Lose the envy, greed, entitlement and
government corruption, roll up the sleeves and become lean, mean and
productive machine USA was once known for.

No nation was ever built on bull**** and corruption. But many have
fallen from grace due to bull**** and corruption.

Another reason why government can't fix the problems as government is a
major part of the problem. Through political greed, the 0bama types
prey and foster ignorance for their political gain.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On 3-Dec-2011, North Star wrote:

Canadian government insurance is more useless that tits on a boars ass
in winter for the USA or outside of Canada. *That is why I carry extra
private insurance so when I travel I am covered.
--
snip


Duh!
Maybe it's because the US rates are sky high for any & all
procedures....

Maybe THAT'S because your slimy government requires insurance companies to
provide birth control, abortions, perscriptions, office calls and sex change
operations to even functional people.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:28:18 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 3-Dec-2011, North Star wrote:

Canadian government insurance is more useless that tits on a boars ass
in winter for the USA or outside of Canada. *That is why I carry extra
private insurance so when I travel I am covered.
--
snip


Duh!
Maybe it's because the US rates are sky high for any & all
procedures....

Maybe THAT'S because your slimy government requires insurance companies to
provide birth control, abortions, perscriptions, office calls and sex change
operations to even functional people.

the moron doesnt know both abortion and birth control are MUCH cheaper
than childbirth!!

HHAHAHAHA typical right winger...wants women barefoot and pregnant

doesnt even know birth control and abortion are covered in MANY
countries

what a MORON!! hates women. hates blacks...

typical right winer

On 3-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

, in the U.S, until
2004 when the bottom fell out in U.S. manufacturing. That happened
because
the scum you've elected welcome imports from countries

ah. 2004. yes, the right wing was at its pinnacle at that point

thanks moron. you just made my point. res ipsa loquitur

Please let me know where you made a point


that will NOT allow
your products into their country. Are you so ****ing stupid that you
don't
know that?? I now ship you junk from Asia,

HAHAHAAH he doesn't know about NAFTA, etc!!

OK, you're flooded from Mexico and South America also.

ROFLMAO!

he doesnt know what the right has done to this country...which is
EXACTLY my point! he's complaining that i'm correct because i'm
correct

HAHAHAHAHA


I've watched you assholes send your money to Japan

how's japan doing by the way?

There auto, steel and capital machinery industry far surpasses yours


oh...the term 'lost decade' was invented for the


and Korea for autos

i've been to korea. i know the economy well. more than you know about
US politics!!

Of course you know their economy - much of it is in your house or driveway.
There's almost nothing from the U.S. in Korea except your military (for 60
years) (free)

I'm, really curious - what is your point? Mine is that you're screwing
yourself with you voting and purchasing habits. It's not surprising that
you, like 300 million other people in your country, don't understand that.

On 3-Dec-2011, Canuck57 wrote:

...might as well understand you're responding to a 55 I.Q.

I think your being generous. Perhaps 55 if we add bpuharic and harryk
together.

Thank you, I try to be generous.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:19:34 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

Protectionism will not work.

and here, for once, the crazed right wing moron and i agree. but it's
also useless to race to the bottom trying to sell goods by cutting
wages, destroying unions and eliminating healthcare, like the US does.


If you double the cost of autos to keep
union dogs like Government Motors alive, then far fewer people will buy
them. Sure, you would get more for each one but far fewer buy so you
could see less revenue. Pricing elastically will not allow
protectionism to work.

Another slight problem, USA can't build its own computers, TVs and a
long list of other things. The original north american made PC was
$9000 in 1980 dollars. About $25K today. How many are going to pay
$25,000 for a laptop or desktop PC?

yep the american right wing is involved in a race to the bottom as i
pointed out above. a recent 'slate' article examined the reason the US
is losing its edge. reasons 1 and 2?

lack of commitment to education

lack of labor unions

so the right wing socialists have discovered a formula to enrich the
rich while destroying the middle class


Fact is protectionism could drive USA to third world status pretty
darned quick.

As for not wanting to compete, I agree. USA has given up competing, but
irrationally expects the standard of living

yep, typical right wing mythology. the right has the middle class
convinced that, as long as we take care of the rich we'll be fine

No nation was ever built on bull**** and corruption. But many have
fallen from grace due to bull**** and corruption.

the klanster hates blacks so he thinks obama was president since 1980


Another reason why government can't fix the problems as government is a
major part of the problem. Through political greed, the 0bama types
prey and foster ignorance for their political gain.

more cliches and bullshti