On 2-Dec-2011, Canuck57 wrote:

USA nor Europe will recover without a further downturn. The fundamental
problems of government-bank fraud still exist. In fact worse because of
$15+ trillion of debt. And debt is pure consumption of wealth.

If Americans want a wealthy health economy, they have to get a grip and
realize that producers need to outnumber consumers. Currently America
is consumption is far higher than production.

Which means a fast recovery is just pure delusional bull****. Might get
a good dose of inflation, but inflation isn't wealth.

The only option for production is for "Americans" to refuse to send their
lowly incomes overseas, but they are unwilling. The "government" isn't going
to require Japan, Korea or China to balance trade; they get too many perks
for maintaining the current trend. The so called "globalization:" is
accurate, and occurred due to amazing communications over the past 20
years.. People in China (including the government) saw what used to exist in
the U.S., emulated the activity, and beat "Americans" at what caused
prosperity for 50 + years. Americans are no longer willing to compete -
individually, or governmentally.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:19:28 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, Canuck57 wrote:

USA nor Europe will recover without a further downturn. The fundamental
problems of government-bank fraud still exist. In fact worse because of
$15+ trillion of debt. And debt is pure consumption of wealth.

If Americans want a wealthy health economy, they have to get a grip and
realize that producers need to outnumber consumers. Currently America
is consumption is far higher than production.

Which means a fast recovery is just pure delusional bull****. Might get
a good dose of inflation, but inflation isn't wealth.

The only option for production is for "Americans" to refuse to send their
lowly incomes overseas, but they are unwilling.

he's too stupid to know most americans are right wing and LOVE to
bankroll the wealthy

On 3-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

The only option for production is for "Americans" to refuse to send their
lowly incomes overseas, but they are unwilling.

he's too stupid to know most americans are right wing and LOVE to
bankroll the wealthy

Do you record the Ed show for future study?

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:46:07 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 3-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

The only option for production is for "Americans" to refuse to send their
lowly incomes overseas, but they are unwilling.

he's too stupid to know most americans are right wing and LOVE to
bankroll the wealthy

Do you record the Ed show for future study?

that's MR ED to you!

you should always respect your superiors

On 3-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

The only option for production is for "Americans" to refuse to send
their
lowly incomes overseas, but they are unwilling.

he's too stupid to know most americans are right wing and LOVE to
bankroll the wealthy

Do you record the Ed show for future study?

that's MR ED to you!

you should always respect your superiors

I've always been partial to Arnold Ziffel.

On 03/12/2011 12:19 PM, Haywood Jablomie wrote:
On 2-Dec-2011, wrote:

USA nor Europe will recover without a further downturn. The fundamental
problems of government-bank fraud still exist. In fact worse because of
$15+ trillion of debt. And debt is pure consumption of wealth.

If Americans want a wealthy health economy, they have to get a grip and
realize that producers need to outnumber consumers. Currently America
is consumption is far higher than production.

Which means a fast recovery is just pure delusional bull****. Might get
a good dose of inflation, but inflation isn't wealth.

The only option for production is for "Americans" to refuse to send their
lowly incomes overseas, but they are unwilling. The "government" isn't going
to require Japan, Korea or China to balance trade; they get too many perks
for maintaining the current trend. The so called "globalization:" is
accurate, and occurred due to amazing communications over the past 20
years.. People in China (including the government) saw what used to exist in
the U.S., emulated the activity, and beat "Americans" at what caused
prosperity for 50 + years. Americans are no longer willing to compete -
individually, or governmentally.

Protectionism will not work. If you double the cost of autos to keep
union dogs like Government Motors alive, then far fewer people will buy
them. Sure, you would get more for each one but far fewer buy so you
could see less revenue. Pricing elastically will not allow
protectionism to work.

Another slight problem, USA can't build its own computers, TVs and a
long list of other things. The original north american made PC was
$9000 in 1980 dollars. About $25K today. How many are going to pay
$25,000 for a laptop or desktop PC?

Fact is protectionism could drive USA to third world status pretty
darned quick.

As for not wanting to compete, I agree. USA has given up competing, but
irrationally expects the standard of living. Isn't going to happen.
The only way out is to compete. Lose the envy, greed, entitlement and
government corruption, roll up the sleeves and become lean, mean and
productive machine USA was once known for.

No nation was ever built on bull**** and corruption. But many have
fallen from grace due to bull**** and corruption.

Another reason why government can't fix the problems as government is a
major part of the problem. Through political greed, the 0bama types
prey and foster ignorance for their political gain.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:19:34 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

Protectionism will not work.

and here, for once, the crazed right wing moron and i agree. but it's
also useless to race to the bottom trying to sell goods by cutting
wages, destroying unions and eliminating healthcare, like the US does.


If you double the cost of autos to keep
union dogs like Government Motors alive, then far fewer people will buy
them. Sure, you would get more for each one but far fewer buy so you
could see less revenue. Pricing elastically will not allow
protectionism to work.

Another slight problem, USA can't build its own computers, TVs and a
long list of other things. The original north american made PC was
$9000 in 1980 dollars. About $25K today. How many are going to pay
$25,000 for a laptop or desktop PC?

yep the american right wing is involved in a race to the bottom as i
pointed out above. a recent 'slate' article examined the reason the US
is losing its edge. reasons 1 and 2?

lack of commitment to education

lack of labor unions

so the right wing socialists have discovered a formula to enrich the
rich while destroying the middle class


Fact is protectionism could drive USA to third world status pretty
darned quick.

As for not wanting to compete, I agree. USA has given up competing, but
irrationally expects the standard of living

yep, typical right wing mythology. the right has the middle class
convinced that, as long as we take care of the rich we'll be fine

No nation was ever built on bull**** and corruption. But many have
fallen from grace due to bull**** and corruption.

the klanster hates blacks so he thinks obama was president since 1980


Another reason why government can't fix the problems as government is a
major part of the problem. Through political greed, the 0bama types
prey and foster ignorance for their political gain.

more cliches and bullshti