On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

Try to grasp risk, and supply and demand. The U.S. pays higher interest
rates because your debt is risky - that makes demand low, or, you need to
pay a higher interest to sell it....well, the fact is, YOU pay the higher
interest, not the scumbags that took you down the hill.

You never should have skipped 4th grade economics.

??

let's see...the US pays ONE percent

italy pays FIVE percent

and to right wingers that proves ONE is more than FIVE!!!

HAHAHA conservatives cant even COUNT and they're lecturing about
ECONOMICS!!!

our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

Try to grasp risk, and supply and demand. The U.S. pays higher interest
rates because your debt is risky - that makes demand low, or, you need to
pay a higher interest to sell it....well, the fact is, YOU pay the higher
interest, not the scumbags that took you down the hill.

You never should have skipped 4th grade economics.

??

let's see...the US pays ONE percent

italy pays FIVE percent

and to right wingers that proves ONE is more than FIVE!!!

HAHAHA conservatives cant even COUNT and they're lecturing about
ECONOMICS!!!

our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???


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We are paying 1% to banks we loaned money to for 0% to buy the debt. We are
paying the extra in inflationary cost. The inflation cost is probably in
the 6% or better range, so we are actually paying 7% for that money.

On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 20:48:10 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


??

let's see...the US pays ONE percent

italy pays FIVE percent

and to right wingers that proves ONE is more than FIVE!!!

HAHAHA conservatives cant even COUNT and they're lecturing about
ECONOMICS!!!

our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???


---------------------------------------------------------

We are paying 1% to banks we loaned money to for 0% to buy the debt. We are
paying the extra in inflationary cost. The inflation cost is probably in
the 6% or better range, so we are actually paying 7% for that money.


dontcha love the right wing...

inflationary cost??

uh inflation's running about 2%

but to the right wing, 5% is less than 1% and 2% is 6%

and they want to run this country....

On 02/12/2011 7:11 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, wrote:

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

Try to grasp risk, and supply and demand. The U.S. pays higher interest
rates because your debt is risky - that makes demand low, or, you need to
pay a higher interest to sell it....well, the fact is, YOU pay the higher
interest, not the scumbags that took you down the hill.

You never should have skipped 4th grade economics.

??

let's see...the US pays ONE percent

italy pays FIVE percent

and to right wingers that proves ONE is more than FIVE!!!

HAHAHA conservatives cant even COUNT and they're lecturing about
ECONOMICS!!!

our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

Rates are not low because demand is high.

Rates are low because US Fed lends out at 0%. Banks don't need to pay
interest to savers if they can get free money. There is no balance in
the lend-borrow market place.

And how if ****s you? Social security gets maybe 1% on the money it
lends to government. 6% is real unadjusted inflation. So in fact
Social Security loses 5% value per year.

Say $1000 in SS gets $10 interest. But it takes $1060 to buy the same
stuff a year later. In value terms Social security is being skimmed by DC.

Yep, they will collect more and pay out less in the long term.

Worse of t-bill holders using real money. You lend $1000 and get 1%,
$10. But it takes $1060 to buy he same stuff a year later. But wait,
you have to pay tax on the $10. So in fact you lose more than 5%.

Whole scale Bernanke-0bama fraud really. A zero rate economy of
depreciating value of money.

And part of why your going to be so ****ed in the end. Government isn't
going to be able to increase your social security, Medicare and other
benefits with inflation money print.

But you are just too ****ing stupid to see it. Good 0bama sheeples.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:32:01 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 7:11 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:



our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

Rates are not low because demand is high.

Rates are low because US Fed lends out at 0%.

so he starts out by saying rates are low because...

they're low!!! who knew!!

Banks don't need to pay
interest to savers if they can get free money. There is no balance in
the lend-borrow market place.

uh no. if they HAD to lend at a higher rate to attract buyers they
would. you see, that's how it works. you buy a bond because of the
rates. if one bond is selling at 1% and another at 5% which would YOU
buy??

oh. you're right wing. you dont know 5% is more than 1%. i forgot
about that.

and why are t bills at 1%? because they attract buyers at that rate,
vs the 5% of spanish and italian bonds.

and why are t bills selling at 1%? because people perceive them to be
more secure than spanish or italian bonds.

christ you're an idiot.


And how if ****s you? Social security gets maybe 1% on the money it
lends to government. 6% is real unadjusted inflation. So in fact
Social Security loses 5% value per year.

uh huh. 6% inflation? golly. where?

oh. in 1986. i forgot, again. you right wingers are 25 years in the
past.


Worse of t-bill holders using real money. You lend $1000 and get 1%,
$10. But it takes $1060 to buy he same stuff a year later. But wait,
you have to pay tax on the $10. So in fact you lose more than 5%.

and yet you could get FIVE percent by buying SPANISH debt

but no one is. why?

because US t bills are MORE SECURE than spanish bonds are

compared to youi, a bag of rocks is einstein

On 12/3/11 7:58 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:32:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 7:11 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:01:09 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:



our RATES ARE LOW PRECISELY BECAUSE DEMAND IS HIGH!!

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

Rates are not low because demand is high.

Rates are low because US Fed lends out at 0%.

so he starts out by saying rates are low because...

they're low!!! who knew!!

Banks don't need to pay
interest to savers if they can get free money. There is no balance in
the lend-borrow market place.

uh no. if they HAD to lend at a higher rate to attract buyers they
would. you see, that's how it works. you buy a bond because of the
rates. if one bond is selling at 1% and another at 5% which would YOU
buy??

oh. you're right wing. you dont know 5% is more than 1%. i forgot
about that.

and why are t bills at 1%? because they attract buyers at that rate,
vs the 5% of spanish and italian bonds.

and why are t bills selling at 1%? because people perceive them to be
more secure than spanish or italian bonds.

christ you're an idiot.


And how if ****s you? Social security gets maybe 1% on the money it
lends to government. 6% is real unadjusted inflation. So in fact
Social Security loses 5% value per year.

uh huh. 6% inflation? golly. where?

oh. in 1986. i forgot, again. you right wingers are 25 years in the
past.


Worse of t-bill holders using real money. You lend $1000 and get 1%,
$10. But it takes $1060 to buy he same stuff a year later. But wait,
you have to pay tax on the $10. So in fact you lose more than 5%.

and yet you could get FIVE percent by buying SPANISH debt

but no one is. why?

because US t bills are MORE SECURE than spanish bonds are

compared to youi, a bag of rocks is einstein


You don't actually believe Canuckles is an "investor," do you?

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On 3-Dec-2011, Canuck57 wrote:

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

Rates are not low because demand is high.

Rates are low because US Fed lends out at 0%. Banks don't need to pay
interest to savers if they can get free money. There is no balance in
the lend-borrow market place.

And how if ****s you? Social security gets maybe 1% on the money it
lends to government. 6% is real unadjusted inflation. So in fact
Social Security loses 5% value per year.

Say $1000 in SS gets $10 interest. But it takes $1060 to buy the same
stuff a year later. In value terms Social security is being skimmed by
DC.

Yep, they will collect more and pay out less in the long term.

Worse of t-bill holders using real money. You lend $1000 and get 1%,
$10. But it takes $1060 to buy he same stuff a year later. But wait,
you have to pay tax on the $10. So in fact you lose more than 5%.

Whole scale Bernanke-0bama fraud really. A zero rate economy of
depreciating value of money.

And part of why your going to be so ****ed in the end. Government isn't
going to be able to increase your social security, Medicare and other
benefits with inflation money print.

But you are just too ****ing stupid to see it. Good 0bama sheeples.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

....might as well understand you're responding to a 55 I.Q.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:49:20 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 3-Dec-2011, Canuck57 wrote:

DUH!!!

christ. what the **** happened to conservatives who dont even know how
to count to FIVE???

Rates are not low because demand is high.

Rates are low because US Fed lends out at 0%. Banks don't need to pay
interest to savers if they can get free money. There is no balance in
the lend-borrow market place.

And how if ****s you? Social security gets maybe 1% on the money it
lends to government. 6% is real unadjusted inflation. So in fact
Social Security loses 5% value per year.

Say $1000 in SS gets $10 interest. But it takes $1060 to buy the same
stuff a year later. In value terms Social security is being skimmed by
DC.

Yep, they will collect more and pay out less in the long term.

Worse of t-bill holders using real money. You lend $1000 and get 1%,
$10. But it takes $1060 to buy he same stuff a year later. But wait,
you have to pay tax on the $10. So in fact you lose more than 5%.

Whole scale Bernanke-0bama fraud really. A zero rate economy of
depreciating value of money.

And part of why your going to be so ****ed in the end. Government isn't
going to be able to increase your social security, Medicare and other
benefits with inflation money print.

But you are just too ****ing stupid to see it. Good 0bama sheeples.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

...might as well understand you're responding to a 55 I.Q.

says a guy who takes 3 weeks to tie his shoes

On 3-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

benefits with inflation money print.

But you are just too ****ing stupid to see it. Good 0bama sheeples.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

...might as well understand you're responding to a 55 I.Q.

says a guy who takes 3 weeks to tie his shoes

Now THAT'S funny ... haven't heard anything so clever since ... ... ... ...
junior high school.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:21:43 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 3-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

benefits with inflation money print.

But you are just too ****ing stupid to see it. Good 0bama sheeples.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

...might as well understand you're responding to a 55 I.Q.

says a guy who takes 3 weeks to tie his shoes

Now THAT'S funny ... haven't heard anything so clever since ... ... ... ...
junior high school.

which, for you, was last week