On 02/12/2011 5:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:26:45 -0700,
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 2:49 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:58:38 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:



gee. america has few labor unions than other countries with strong
manufacturing

and i notice you ignored the comment about the euro, didnt you.

your whole argument is that the US is so weak that

everyone wants to bank here.

uh huh

That was so funny. Then why are your banks broke and sucking on our
grand kids futures?

canuck seems unaware that

our banks are broke

but they're LESS broke than others

and that's all that matters. but canuck is dull...dim witted...cliche
bound....unable to think for himself beyond the racist cliches of the
american president


Fact is USA wealth is dissipating fast as government consumption
outweighs economic production.

how things going in italy? greece? ireland? they doing OK?

Funny, a stock I had in an Irish company gave me a return this year of
17%. I don't do Greece or Italy, too screwed up with too many
fleabaggers. I did sell the Irish position though, too much Euro exposure.

People like me are moving money out of USA

let's see US T bills have about a 1% interest because people are
flocking to buy them

Funny, I know of no one that owns them and my friends are self made
millionaires. In my billionaire readings, don't know of any of them
that recommend US Treasuries.

US Treasuries are junk paper, especially the longer the term as you
can't get out without taking a bath when the **** really flies.

Watch careful, and remember this, in 2012 I predict any bond not
yielding over 7% with a remaining term greater than 4 years will take at
least a 25% depreciation hit in 2012 on the resale markets.

. As fast as we can. Just
reduced my USA holding 34% in fact. Check should be here in 10 days and
going to take more out in January to defer the taxes....

no one gives a **** about your reader's digest stories. the real world
functions on evidence and data, not supermarket tabloid stories

Funny, some people have open minds that read and rationalize, others
like yourself wallow in self pity and whining.

Yep, while America bulldozes homes, they build them in Mexico, Costa
Rica, Panama and Brazil. Thinking about getting more stock in
Brazil...a growing economy.

says the guy who lives in a country with 30% union membership and
socialized medicine

who tells us unions are evil and socialized medicine destroys a
country

Funny, people die waiting while those that can afford it that run the
system go to the USA.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...al_sojour.html

You need to learn to judge people how they walk and not how they talk.

Politicians lie until their own lives are on the table. And Williams
knew his chances were better in the USA. Says a lot when the top boss
of Newfoundlands health care will not use his own services.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On 02/12/2011 5:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:35:54 -0700,
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 2:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:59:57 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


this from the same guy who said the US economy is so weak that
everyone is rushing to buy our debt

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

You are drummer than nails. Italy and Spain can't just
print/electronically counterfeit money like the USA can. So they have
to put on the brakes on spending and borrow real money at real rates.

USA Bernanke US Fed just prints it. Trouble is it causes some mix of
unemployment and inflation.

USA hasn't borrow a significant mount of real money since late 2006. US
Fed indirectly or directly owns the majority of US Treasury debt. And
when debt comes due from real lenders, the lenders take their money and
run, Bernanke just prints money for the next QE counterfeit run.

China isn't increasing its holding in US debt, in fact it has been
decreasing it. As has Japan.

The result is the USD will depreciate fast, as currecny is like stock in
the economy. Print twice as much, each share has half the value
(inflation).

gee. then i guess the entire world is stupid 'cuz they entire world is
buying US debt vs the euro

No one is buying US debt. US Fed buys it indirectly with electronic
counterfeit in the ruse.

Just because people take money out of Euro and into USDs doesn't mean it
is in US Treasuries.

You are too retarded to understand real economics.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

Yeah, good point, you're right. The decimation of your steel,

dont study much do you? i grew up in pittsburgh. ever hear of it? know
what its big product was, for generations?

oh. steel. the demise of steel had more to do with the use of plastics
in cars (common even in chinese cars) than with anything else

Steel started the downward spiral in the late 70's when Jaoan was permitted
to dump in the US. For your reference, the plastics industry is 60% of what
it was 15 years ago.


electronics,
capital machinery, auto, machine tools, ship building, stamping, tools
and
dies, consumer products, etc. etc. etc. has nothing to do with your
future

gee. america has few labor unions than other countries with strong
manufacturing

Labor unions make for increased output?????????? It's not just the rust
you're smoking in Pittsburg.


and i notice you ignored the comment about the euro, didnt you.

your whole argument is that the US is so weak that

everyone wants to bank here.

Correct - there are many strong foreign banks in the US.

uh huh

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:43:17 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 5:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:26:45 -0700,
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 2:49 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:58:38 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


Fact is USA wealth is dissipating fast as government consumption
outweighs economic production.

how things going in italy? greece? ireland? they doing OK?

Funny, a stock I had in an Irish company gave me a return this year of
17%. I don't do Greece or Italy, too screwed up with too many
fleabaggers. I did sell the Irish position though, too much Euro exposure.

cantcha just see ol' canuck, in his waders and flannel shirt, sittin'
around the pickle barrel, chaw in place, dazzlin' the locals with his
readers digest stories!! i bet he's the biggest guy at the local
general store


US Treasuries are junk paper,

golly. why are people demanding 7% for spanish and italian bonds and
only 1% for T bills?

oh. you dont know economics so dont know that's a reflection of
confidence

uh huh


especially the longer the term as you
can't get out without taking a bath when the **** really flies.

Watch careful, and remember this, in 2012 I predict any bond not
yielding over 7% with a remaining term greater than 4 years will take at
least a 25% depreciation hit in 2012 on the resale markets.

read that in 'sunset' magazine did you?


. As fast as we can. Just
reduced my USA holding 34% in fact. Check should be here in 10 days and
going to take more out in January to defer the taxes....

no one gives a **** about your reader's digest stories. the real world
functions on evidence and data, not supermarket tabloid stories

Funny, some people have open minds that read and rationalize, others
like yourself wallow in self pity and whining.

you confuse your self aggrandizing bull**** stories with reality.
that's what riight wingers do.


who tells us unions are evil and socialized medicine destroys a
country

Funny, people die waiting while those that can afford it that run the
system go to the USA.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...al_sojour.html

gee...then why is longevity higher in canada than the US?

and how long do you wait in the US if you dont have health insurance?

tell you what, canuck, why not come to the US and try to get help here
with your canadian health insurance

see how far you get

On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

I never watch dancing shows nor any of that other trash. My company
is 20 years old and I've had to work my ass off to keep it afloat
during hard times. But that work has paid off and we're lucky to have
multinational brands rely on our software to help run their mission

India will buy your company within 12 months for a nickle on the dollar.
Unless that allegation is delusional also.

this from the same guy who said the US economy is so weak that
everyone is rushing to buy our debt

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Buyout firms don't buy debt, they buy assets. Debt is liquidated. That's
the advantage of buying bankrupt companies. SUCESFUL companies left the
U.S. long ago unless the cost of freight offsets the many other advantages
such as costs, your predatory government, and your relentlessly begging
population.

On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

Try to grasp risk, and supply and demand. The U.S. pays higher interest
rates because your debt is risky - that makes demand low, or, you need to
pay a higher interest to sell it....well, the fact is, YOU pay the higher
interest, not the scumbags that took you down the hill.

You never should have skipped 4th grade economics.

On 02/12/2011 6:25 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:10:04 -0700,
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 2:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:05:16 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 1-Dec-2011, wrote:


You just explained that what you know comes from an idiot box. Where I
live, there are no English speaking or "American" idiot box broadcasts.
It's refreshing.....like the smell of napalm in the morning..........it
smells like..................victory.

and how's the euro doing today? oh. the US fed had to bail it out


oh. you didnt follow the news over the last week. figures. you dont
know that the fed reduced transaction costs for european central banks
that swap euros for dollars

That is to serve the rich. The plan is for the Euro to crash first. So
billion in transfers is a lot of money and will get you president and
congress to jump.

no one knows what the plan is for the euro. you're just a dip**** who
thinks he knows...

anything...

which is a joke


and that the stock market went up 350 points because of that

Temporary exuberation. Staved off the day of reckoning for a few months.

gee. doesnt do much for your argument that t bills are in the toilet,
does it?

so your argument is that t bills are wrecked

except when they arent....

uh....ok...


golly. you have everything but an argument


What you USED to be able to do
is borrow money from China, hand it out to 3rd world ********s, then
confiscate money from your peasants to pay the bill. The assholes you put
in the White House and Congress strive to accelerate that activity.

tell you what

you go dig up some evidence and c'mon back, OK? all i see here is
drooling in your lobster bib

Since you know absolutely **** about economics and are destined to be
forever poor, you should quit while you are ahead.

says the guy who rails against socialized medicine while living in a
country with....

ahem....


Billionaires are moving abroad. even 0bama's buddy Warren Buffet is.

great. let 'em go. how's our economy doing with the greatest number of
billionaires in the world? we doing OK?


90% of the billionaires have significant holdings in gold, not much in
US treasuries and many have a high "liquid" cash only position. All have
big positions in one or more of China, Brazil, Russia, India, and other
non-Euro and non-US real-estate and businesses related to resources.

i betcha they're from UFO's too!!

Funny, if you like T-bills so much, you should buy them. But I know,
never seen a fleabagger put his own money where his mouth is. Fact is
t-bills are junk paper.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 01:54:01 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

Yeah, good point, you're right. The decimation of your steel,

dont study much do you? i grew up in pittsburgh. ever hear of it? know
what its big product was, for generations?

oh. steel. the demise of steel had more to do with the use of plastics
in cars (common even in chinese cars) than with anything else

Steel started the downward spiral in the late 70's when Jaoan was permitted
to dump in the US. For your reference, the plastics industry is 60% of what
it was 15 years ago.

fyi alot of plastics are in cars

you seem unaware of the fact. are you that incredibley dense??



electronics,
capital machinery, auto, machine tools, ship building, stamping, tools
and
dies, consumer products, etc. etc. etc. has nothing to do with your
future

gee. america has few labor unions than other countries with strong
manufacturing

Labor unions make for increased output?????????? It's not just the rust
you're smoking in Pittsburg.

let's see

germany's manufactured exports are a greater portion of their GDP than
the US.

germany has 30% unions

we have none

IOW you dont know **** except what faux news tells you

you, like all right wingers, think in cliches



and i notice you ignored the comment about the euro, didnt you.

your whole argument is that the US is so weak that

everyone wants to bank here.

Correct - there are many strong foreign banks in the US.

tell it to the spanish

oh. you dont know what's happening in spain


uh huh

On 2-Dec-2011, bpuharic wrote:

The U.S. couldn't bail out a lemonade stand.

oh. you didnt follow the news over the last week. figures. you dont
know that the fed reduced transaction costs for european central banks
that swap euros for dollars

and that the stock market went up 350 points because of that

Trading stock is wagering - flipping fees is icing on the collective (US and
European) turd pile.

Output creates wealth, not government wagers, and you have no output. It's
like getting a "90 days same as cash" deal on your funeral - you're still
paying, and you're still dead. Europe cannot recover, and your government
(just as bankrupt) will be on the same submerged ship. When productive
countries stop buying flash paper from the US treasury, the US will stop the
bogus, make-believe "deals."

What's wrong with you clowns? Why do you insist on sending your 1970's wages
overseas?

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:53:07 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 5:52 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:35:54 -0700,
wrote:

On 02/12/2011 2:50 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:59:57 GMT, "Haywood Jablomie"
wrote:


this from the same guy who said the US economy is so weak that
everyone is rushing to buy our debt

or whatever he believes; he hasnt made a coherent argument yet

Big myth, people buying the debt. US Fed is fraud printing it.

hey genius. if people didnt want US debt we'd be giving interest rates
like italy and spain are paying

You are drummer than nails.

nah if that were the case i'd be conservative

Italy and Spain can't just
print/electronically counterfeit money like the USA can.

BBBZZZZTTTT!!!

WRONG!!! but thanks for playing. ever hear of the european central
bank which can do EXACTLY that??

oh. you DIDNTknow that

why am i not surprised?


So they have
to put on the brakes on spending and borrow real money at real rates.

uh no they dont. and, in fact, they cant. because if they DID their
economies would implode. italy's debt is manageable at 3%. at 7% it's
impossible for them to manage their debt

oh. you didnt know that


USA Bernanke US Fed just prints it. Trouble is it causes some mix of
unemployment and inflation.

HAHAHAHAHA

guess he hasnt looked at unemployment lately!!

and inflation?? he's fighting events from 30 years ago. typical right
winger. always looking in the rear view mirror

The result is the USD will depreciate fast, as currecny is like stock in
the economy. Print twice as much, each share has half the value
(inflation).

tell you what, let me know when they buy euros!

HAHAHAHAHA


gee. then i guess the entire world is stupid 'cuz they entire world is
buying US debt vs the euro

No one is buying US debt. US Fed buys it indirectly with electronic
counterfeit in the ruse.

uh huh. let's see...2 banks

bank A and bank B (for you conservatives, B comes after A)

bank A sells bonds at 6%

bankB sells them at 1%

everyone buys bank B's bills

why? because they're MORE SECURE. and that's EXACTLY what's happening
now

oh. you didnt know that


Just because people take money out of Euro and into USDs doesn't mean it
is in US Treasuries.

You are too retarded to understand real economics.

says the guy who gets his economics from the readers digest while
taking a dump