On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:57:56 -0400, scottht wrote:

I type in the year and length
and the page just reappears. Thanks for the help though.
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I had the same problem using Netscape, was OK after I switched to MS
Internet Explorer. It's not my preferred web browser but I'm finding
a lot of sites that no longer work with Netscape.

Just out of curiousity, which version of Netscape do you find no longer
working?


I had the same problem using Netscape, was OK after I switched to MS
Internet Explorer. It's not my preferred web browser but I'm finding
a lot of sites that no longer work with Netscape.

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:32:00 GMT, "Paul" wrote:

Just out of curiousity, which version of Netscape do you find no longer
working?
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4.7

Yes, I know there are more recent versions, but never liked their look
and feel as well as 4.7

I know what you mean about the look and feel, never liked the new one.

I build web sites for a living and we have *finally* abandoned designing for
4.7. It interprets webpages in a very ... umm, "unique" way shall we say.
There is a lot of extra work making a page look and/or work well in 4.7. I'm
not sorry to see it go, I've invented new swear words trying to get things
to work in it.

This is what you're noticing on the web now, it's being abandoned by the
designers so as time goes by it will slowly stop working on anything but the
more basic stuff.

I can vouch for the Mozilla browser that someone recommended if you still
want to stay away from IE. The best parts are the tabbed browsing and
built-in pop-up blocker.

If you do go to IE then get the Google toolbar installed, it also blocks
pop-ups and has other useful stuff built in.



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:32:00 GMT, "Paul" wrote:

Just out of curiousity, which version of Netscape do you find no longer
working?
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4.7

Yes, I know there are more recent versions, but never liked their look
and feel as well as 4.7

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:57:11 GMT, "Paul" wrote:
If you do go to IE then get the Google toolbar installed, it also blocks
pop-ups and has other useful stuff built in.
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My personal firewall does a good job blocking pop ups, noxious
scripts, tracking cookies, etc. Any web page which won't display on
Netscape 4.7 is over designed and too MS centric in my opinion.

Wayne.B wrote:
My personal firewall does a good job blocking pop ups, noxious
scripts, tracking cookies, etc. Any web page which won't display on
Netscape 4.7 is over designed and too MS centric in my opinion.

That may be true, but it won't change the fact that in another year you
won't be use very many websites unless you upgrade to current
technology. I don't like it either, but it's a case of evolve or perish.



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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Just out of curiousity, which version of Netscape do you find no longer
working?

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4.7

Yes, I know there are more recent versions, but never liked their look
and feel as well as 4.7

I also use NS...have since v 1.x. I too resisted upgrading from 4.7
'cuz I tried 6.0 and it was a disaster. But I finally had to do
something 'cuz, as Paul said, websites aren't being designed to run in
4.7 any more. NS 7 works very well...you really should try it. Although
they call it an upgrade, it's actually a stand-alone program that leaves
4.x intact on your computer. If you decide to keep 7.0x I'm running 7.02
and I think there's a upgrade to it), you do have uninstall 4.7,
though...if you try to keep 'em both, it creates conflicts.

Like it or not, being content to sit still no longer works...we have to
accept change or get left in the dust.

Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Like it or not, being content to sit still no longer works...we have to
accept change or get left in the dust.

This is true. If you've been around the internet a while you'll remember the
incredible pace at which browser versions and "dot releases" were coming
out. Sometimes as quickly as one per month. This pace has slowed
significantly over the last couple of years as you've no doubt noticed.

This "catching up" that has gone on has allowed, finally, some semblance of
standards to emerge. There is still a boatload of disagreement on the
standards but ... at least there's a standard that is being followed (more
or less). And the key word is "followed". The browsers developed so rapidly
that for a long time they were ahead of the standard, guessing as to where
it might go and sometimes being very wrong (ilayers anyone?).

What this means is that users can finally settle into a browser they're
comfortable with and then ignore it for longer periods of time. When time
for upgrades do come they'll tend to be minor as opposed to a major
housecleaning.

It also means when we build a site it won't "go stale" in a few months.
Something that is accessible to the visually impaired will remain
accessible. Something that works today will work tomorrow. The development
costs are already dropping since we've left 4.7 behind, no more duplicate
sites to satisfy both user groups.

Netscape has had significant problems since 4.7, both technical and
administrative. If you've ever wondered why there is no Netscape 5 this is
why. Around the time Netscape 6 came along it had been bought by AOL ... and
you thought Microsoft was bad.

But the good news is that an open source movement was started before the
downfall and was nurtured by Netscape at arms length. They developed the
Mozilla engine, it's like Netscape 4 with all the bugs worked out. This
movement has been slow and difficult but it's kept moving forward. So the
moral of the story is, if you want something as close to Netscape 4.7, with
less bugs, and updated for the newer websites, give Mozilla a shot.