Hi,

I'm 64 years old, and started a serious (i.e. lifetime, however much
that will be :-) fitness program two months ago. I am riding my bike 6
days a week, walking as much as I can, and have started using light
weights to get some upper body strength. I thought about joining a
fitness center, but I hate gyms, always have.

I am lucky enough to live in a community that has a number of
interconnected salt-water sloughs (or lagoons), and our garage is only
about 150 yards from one of them. Calm water, but deep enough for the
14-16 foot centerboard sailboats that you occasionally see out there.

I'd like to get a paddle boat that I can store in the garage, and
portage out to the lagoon. Problem is, I'm still rather overweight,
and much too ample around the midsection, so I doubt I'd fit in a
standard sea kayak (something I would like to work up towards).

Anyone have any suggestions about a boat light enough to carry the 150
yards, but ample and stable enough for someone like me? I live in
Northern California, in the Bay Area. Any good shops in this area
(there are several listed on google and in the local YP, but I need
one that isn't dedicated to the true kayak people)? California Canoe
and Kayak over in Oakland looks promising, and I am thinking of going
over there next week, but I'd like to get whatever advice I can here
first, so I know what questions to ask.

Thanks a lot!

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:58:22 -0700, Tim Smith
wrote:

I'm 64 years old, and started a serious (i.e. lifetime, however much
that will be :-) fitness program two months ago. I am riding my bike 6
days a week, walking as much as I can, and have started using light
weights to get some upper body strength. I thought about joining a
fitness center, but I hate gyms, always have.

One would assume that your physician is involved in planning this
fitness program.

I am lucky enough to live in a community that has a number of
interconnected salt-water sloughs (or lagoons), and our garage is only
about 150 yards from one of them. Calm water, but deep enough for the
14-16 foot centerboard sailboats that you occasionally see out there.

I'd like to get a paddle boat that I can store in the garage, and
portage out to the lagoon. Problem is, I'm still rather overweight,
and much too ample around the midsection, so I doubt I'd fit in a
standard sea kayak (something I would like to work up towards).

Anyone have any suggestions about a boat light enough to carry the 150
yards, but ample and stable enough for someone like me? I live in
Northern California, in the Bay Area. Any good shops in this area
(there are several listed on google and in the local YP, but I need
one that isn't dedicated to the true kayak people)? California Canoe
and Kayak over in Oakland looks promising, and I am thinking of going
over there next week, but I'd like to get whatever advice I can here
first, so I know what questions to ask.

Two thoughts:

Consider a "sit on top" style boat, which would simplify entrance and
exit. Not an ideal choice in rough water, but it would seem your
neighborhood waterways are never going to have rough water. Once you
are in/on the boat, all paddling techniques are identical to what you
would do with the other type of boat, excepting rolls.

Also, there are strap-on wheel thingies which would allow you to wheel
the boat to the edge of the water, be removed and stowed, and allow
you to paddle without actually carrying the boat. Paddling shops carry
these in quite a variety, as many people end up parking a distance
from the water.

REI is another source for boats and gear.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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"Tim Smith" wrote in message
...
Hi,


I am lucky enough to live in a community that has a number of
interconnected salt-water sloughs (or lagoons), and our garage is only
about 150 yards from one of them. Calm water, but deep enough for the
14-16 foot centerboard sailboats that you occasionally see out there.

I'd like to get a paddle boat that I can store in the garage, and
portage out to the lagoon. Problem is, I'm still rather overweight,
and much too ample around the midsection, so I doubt I'd fit in a
standard sea kayak (something I would like to work up towards).

There are sea kayaks with larger cockpits if that is the way you want to go,
but the sit on top or the open cockpit recreationals may be what you would
prefer.

There are kayak carts that you can use to transport your boat that actually
break down very quickly for storage in your boat.

CC&K has a demo program where you can pay an amount (I think it is around
$200) that lets you rent any number of kayaks to try out over a period of 90
days. Then when you decide they apply that amount towards the purchase
price, if you decide not to buy they just consider the 200 is for rental
fees for the boats you tried out. They are also very good at getting you
set up with the right kayak for your purposes without any heavy
salesmanship.

Sounds like you are based at either the San Mateo or Foster City lagoons so
here are a couple of other options for you:

The boat house at Aquatic Park at the SM lagoon rents recreation kayaks that
might give you an idea of what you want.

or

If you can wait until Sept 25-26, at Coyote Point in San Mateo there is a
huge paddlesports demo day where you can try out all sorts for free.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:58:22 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

Hi,
I'm 64 years old, and started a serious (i.e. lifetime, however much
that will be :-) fitness program two months ago. I am riding my bike 6

I'd like to get a paddle boat that I can store in the garage, and
portage out to the lagoon. Problem is, I'm still rather overweight,
and much too ample around the midsection, so I doubt I'd fit in a
standard sea kayak (something I would like to work up towards).

Anyone have any suggestions about a boat light enough to carry the 150
yards, but ample and stable enough for someone like me?

Look into a Kevlar canoe. They're very light and easily portaged.

Ken B.
Apply ROT13 to unmunge my identity

Tim,
When I was a little younger, I was alot heavier. I have always loved boats and
to accomidate boating at that time I bought a canoe. The weight limits on
canoes are very high. (I weighed 315 lbs.). To make it easier for me to go out
alone, I fastened oars to the hull and rowed while sitting on a boat cushion in
the bottom of the boat. It was VERY stable and I could travel even faster than
I can now with my kayak. As an additional benifit, my back and shoulders got
quite strong. The only thing I didn't like was that I couldn't see where I was
going.

As for getting the boat to and from the water, just strap the boat to a
child's wagon and haul it to the water's edge.

Good Luck,
Tom,
Tucson

Tim Smith wrote:


I'd like to get a paddle boat that I can store in the garage, and
portage out to the lagoon. Problem is, I'm still rather overweight,
and much too ample around the midsection, so I doubt I'd fit in a
standard sea kayak (something I would like to work up towards).



I'd suggest a canoe, but the kevlar models which are usually quite light
are also designed for speed and therefore may not be stable enough for a
beginning paddler - particularly where getting the weight down is one
objective.

The Old Town Camper@59# and 16' is fairly light for its capacity (900#)
& should portage the 150 yds. easily enough yet it ought to be stable
enough for beginners; should be plenty of boat for one or two. The
Pathfinder @ 14'10" & 57# is a slightly smaller version of the same hull
(820# capacity) and would also meet your needs. The Discovery 119 @
11'9" & 475# capacity but weighing a scant 43# would be ideal for a
single person w/ a small amount of gear.

Although kayaks are all the rage these days, consider that the basic
canoe form is old from time out of mind yet remains one of the ideal -
some would say THE ideal - form of personal water transportation.

Yours in the north Maine woods,
Pete Hilton (Reg. Me. Guide) aka The Ent

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It's really that simple.
Walt Kelly

The best suggestion has already been offered on this thread ... rent and
try some to see which one (or ones) best suit your needs. I'd recommend,
however, that you don't waste your money on one of the smaller recreational
kayaks similar to Perception's "Swifty". Not that there's anything wrong
with kayaks like these - and they do serve a function - but, based on my
own experience, you grow out of them very quickly and want something bigger
and better. I started with a Swifty, moved to a Carolina and finally (or
presently) to a Cape Horn which, for the time being at least, I'm delighted
with. (Made a 13-14 mile run t'other day out in the Long Island Sound.)

As for age, size, etc., don't let these factors discourage you. I'm 75
years old, overweight (190lbs on a 5'7" frame) and, with the exception of my
paddling, could easily get a berth on the Olympic Sloth Squad.


"Tim Smith" wrote in message
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Hi,

I'm 64 years old, and started a serious (i.e. lifetime, however much
that will be :-) fitness program two months ago. I am riding my bike 6
days a week, walking as much as I can, and have started using light
weights to get some upper body strength. I thought about joining a
fitness center, but I hate gyms, always have.

I am lucky enough to live in a community that has a number of
interconnected salt-water sloughs (or lagoons), and our garage is only
about 150 yards from one of them. Calm water, but deep enough for the
14-16 foot centerboard sailboats that you occasionally see out there.

I'd like to get a paddle boat that I can store in the garage, and
portage out to the lagoon. Problem is, I'm still rather overweight,
and much too ample around the midsection, so I doubt I'd fit in a
standard sea kayak (something I would like to work up towards).

Anyone have any suggestions about a boat light enough to carry the 150
yards, but ample and stable enough for someone like me? I live in
Northern California, in the Bay Area. Any good shops in this area
(there are several listed on google and in the local YP, but I need
one that isn't dedicated to the true kayak people)? California Canoe
and Kayak over in Oakland looks promising, and I am thinking of going
over there next week, but I'd like to get whatever advice I can here
first, so I know what questions to ask.

Thanks a lot!

TWall10618 ) writes:

... I bought a canoe.

...The only thing I didn't like was that I couldn't see where I was
going.

I was going to suggest a rowing skiff but the canoe sounds good.
You don't have to face backwards unless you want to get top speed out of
the boat. Rowing facing frontwards will get you where you want to go
and will enlarge the pectorals which can them be used for swimming which
is the best exercise of all.



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Tim Smith wrote:

I'd like to get a paddle boat that I can store in the garage, and
portage out to the lagoon. Problem is, I'm still rather overweight,
and much too ample around the midsection, so I doubt I'd fit in a
standard sea kayak (something I would like to work up towards).
...
...
Although kayaks are all the rage these days, consider that the basic
canoe form is old from time out of mind yet remains one of the ideal -
some would say THE ideal - form of personal water transportation.
...

My heart is with Pete 100% on this, but the fact is that there's a lot to
learn paddling a canoe solo, and a lot of it has to be learned all at once
at the beginning. Too, some maneuvers (even some you'll encounter in
fla****er) use muscles that modern man uses for nothing else. (Ever wonder
what that useless rib-meat is for? Cross draws.) If you're deconditioned,
you're in line for a few bad mornings. Your response depends on whether or
not you buy into the "No pain, no gain" business.

I might go with a sit-on-top. Stable, easy to propel and control, trivial
self-rescue, not hard to sell when you're ready.

But you really should be working toward the supreme expression of the human
spirit on the water, the solo canoe.

Hth,
Fred Klingener

"Tim Smith" wrote in message

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I'd like to get a paddle boat that I can store in the garage, and
portage out to the lagoon.

Portage is a hassle, and the carts built to carry a canoe or kayak aren't
designed for the use you appear to have in mind.

Portage carts are built to take with you in the boat. To meet that goal,
they're generally really small (e.g. the terrible sets of little wheels that
sort of strap onto one end of the hull to take up a bit less than half the
weigth until they hit the first pebble) or knock down into modules small
enough to fit through a kayak hatch ( the best of these have aluminum axles
hold out for a few portages in the presence of nasty stuff like sand).

For a short trip from garage to lagoon and back (i.e., the put-in is the
take-out are the same spot so that the cart stays on shore until you come
back), you can make a truly superior (and equally truly weird looking) cart
out of a two-wheeled wheelbarrow. Replace 4 of the bolts holding the load
body to the frame with eye-bolts. Get few pieces of hot water pipe
insulation (a longitudinally split foam tube) and glue them on the edges of
the load bed. Toss the kayak/canoe on top of the load bed and bungee it down
using the eye bolts.

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