On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in
politics.

On 10/28/11 11:18 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in
politics.


It's a huge part of our current political problems.

On 10/28/11 12:55 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:18:50 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:


You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in
politics.


... and then they wander off into fantasy. They say they want to pay
down the debt and then propose a couple trillion in unfunded mandates.
My advice is they should put down the lighter, step away from the bong
and get out a calculator to figure out the expense of forgiving
mortgages, eliminating student debt and that health care system that
nobody wants to pay for.
When you show them what the tax rate would be to do this in a revenue
neutral way I bet they will start pulling back on their demands.

I do find it interesting that they want to abolish the fed. I don't
know one economist who thinks that is a good idea and eliminating the
electoral college will be DOA when it gets to the state legislatures.
I assume they want to restructure the senate too. Essentially 5 states
would run the whole government.

The dumbest idea is the CCC and the WPA. How many of those kids would
be willing to work outside in the hot sun for minimum wage? (or less)
That is just a bunch of kids who do not understand what those programs
were. Do you really think ANYONE would work for $16 a day and that is
what the CCC paid, adjusted for inflation. It was a dollar a day and
they only cleared $5 a month, the rest was sent home.
Even if you paid the Davis Bacon wage, most of the people I see at
these protests would turn their nose up at that kind of job.


It's just a political platform, just like, you know...

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:55:38 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:18:50 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:


You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in
politics.


... and then they wander off into fantasy. They say they want to pay
down the debt and then propose a couple trillion in unfunded mandates.
My advice is they should put down the lighter, step away from the bong
and get out a calculator to figure out the expense of forgiving
mortgages, eliminating student debt and that health care system that
nobody wants to pay for.
When you show them what the tax rate would be to do this in a revenue
neutral way I bet they will start pulling back on their demands.

I do find it interesting that they want to abolish the fed. I don't
know one economist who thinks that is a good idea and eliminating the
electoral college will be DOA when it gets to the state legislatures.
I assume they want to restructure the senate too. Essentially 5 states
would run the whole government.

The dumbest idea is the CCC and the WPA. How many of those kids would
be willing to work outside in the hot sun for minimum wage? (or less)
That is just a bunch of kids who do not understand what those programs
were. Do you really think ANYONE would work for $16 a day and that is
what the CCC paid, adjusted for inflation. It was a dollar a day and
they only cleared $5 a month, the rest was sent home.
Even if you paid the Davis Bacon wage, most of the people I see at
these protests would turn their nose up at that kind of job.

It's a draft. What do you think the initial drafts of the
constitution looked like? You think everyone who had an idea was as
smart as Jefferson?

You've just defined yourself as a low info voter. You haven't read
anything about the agenda of the 99 until it's handed to you on a
silver platter but you've seen lots of pictures. And, from those
pictures, you've judged that they'd turn their noses up at minimum
wage. Following in the footsteps of Bill Frist in the Terry Shiavo
case, eh?

Minimum wage in Washington is $8.67 and going to $9.04 as of Jan 1,
2012. That's scarcely enough to live on but it's a damned sight
better than nothing. I don't know how long it's been since you've had
to go without food or a place to sleep but I'm guessing you're sorely
out of touch.

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:38:20 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:19:24 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:55:38 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:18:50 -0700, jps wrote:


https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in
politics.


... and then they wander off into fantasy. They say they want to pay
down the debt and then propose a couple trillion in unfunded mandates.
My advice is they should put down the lighter, step away from the bong
and get out a calculator to figure out the expense of forgiving
mortgages, eliminating student debt and that health care system that
nobody wants to pay for.
When you show them what the tax rate would be to do this in a revenue
neutral way I bet they will start pulling back on their demands.

I do find it interesting that they want to abolish the fed. I don't
know one economist who thinks that is a good idea and eliminating the
electoral college will be DOA when it gets to the state legislatures.
I assume they want to restructure the senate too. Essentially 5 states
would run the whole government.

The dumbest idea is the CCC and the WPA. How many of those kids would
be willing to work outside in the hot sun for minimum wage? (or less)
That is just a bunch of kids who do not understand what those programs
were. Do you really think ANYONE would work for $16 a day and that is
what the CCC paid, adjusted for inflation. It was a dollar a day and
they only cleared $5 a month, the rest was sent home.
Even if you paid the Davis Bacon wage, most of the people I see at
these protests would turn their nose up at that kind of job.

It's a draft. What do you think the initial drafts of the
constitution looked like? You think everyone who had an idea was as
smart as Jefferson?

You've just defined yourself as a low info voter. You haven't read
anything about the agenda of the 99 until it's handed to you on a
silver platter but you've seen lots of pictures.

I have seen several of these lists of demands. Some don't even pass
the laugh test. That is what happens when you have thousands of kids
walking around with lap tops and tablets pumping out manifestos. It is
really hard to figure out who is talking and for whom they actually
speak.

Minimum wage in Washington is $8.67 and going to $9.04 as of Jan 1,
2012. That's scarcely enough to live on but it's a damned sight
better than nothing. I don't know how long it's been since you've had
to go without food or a place to sleep but I'm guessing you're sorely
out of touch.

Not since 1965 but I did figure out how to make a living. My point is
the whole idea that a CCC camp doing manual labor would attract anyone
in this century is ludicrous ... unless you are talking about illegal
aliens. We can't even get people in this country to pick fruits and
vegetables. That is not quarrying out stone and breaking them up with
a hammer like the CCC people were doing.

Further proves that you're out of touch with young people of today.
You seem to think they're jaded and spoiled but I find the opposite.

They're more concerned with the environment, fellow citizens and the
state of the country than my peers were in the 60s and 70s and we were
significantly more enlightened than those that came before us.