On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, jps wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

On Oct 27, 10:15*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, jps wrote:

The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. *There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

You just want to bitch and moan and play the bleeding heart.

That simple enough for you?

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, jps wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, Drifter wrote:

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati.

On 10/28/11 9:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, wrote:

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati.

If you don't have compassion, you don't have a soul.

On 10/28/2011 9:21 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/28/11 9:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, wrote:

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati.

If you don't have compassion, you don't have a soul.

Who told you that? Couldn't have been an athiest or an agnostic.

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:15:18 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, Drifter wrote:

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

Greed, that is the problem, and there is plenty to go around for all.

The economy is in the gutter because of wall street greed.
The American worker is out of work due to corporate greed.
The healthcare system is an absolute mess because of greed.

Nope. Change 'greed' to 'Chris' and 'Barney', at least in the first two. The last is simple fallacy.
Take illegals out of the picture, and the scene changes tremendously.

Of course, you'd get no pats on the back for a Harryesque post if you didn't act the 'neo-lib'.

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/