On 24/10/2011 1:00 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/24/11 2:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/10/2011 10:39 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
I know by their postings that many conservatives here don't have a clue
what true liberalism is about. Harry doesn't have a clue, neither. So,
to clear things up, from Wiki:

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom")[1] is the belief in
the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide
array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but
generally, liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal
democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and
freedom of religion.[3][4][5][6][7] These ideas are widely accepted,
even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal
ideological orientation. Liberalism encompasses several intellectual
trends and traditions, but the dominant variants are classical
liberalism, which became popular in the eighteenth century, and social
liberalism, which became popular in the twentieth century.

Liberalism first became a powerful force in the Age of Enlightenment,
rejecting several foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier
theories of government, such as nobility, established religion, absolute
monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The early liberal thinker John
Locke, who is often credited for the creation of liberalism as a
distinct philosophical tradition, employed the concept of natural rights
and the social contract to argue that the rule of law should replace
absolutism in government, that rulers were subject to the consent of the
governed, and that private individuals had a fundamental right to life,
liberty, and property.

The revolutionaries in the American Revolution and the French Revolution
used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of tyrannical
rule. The nineteenth century saw liberal governments established in
nations across Europe, Latin America, and North America. Liberal ideas
spread even further in the twentieth century, when liberal democracies
triumphed in two world wars and survived major ideological challenges
from fascism and communism. Today, liberalism in its many forms remains
as a political force to varying degrees of power and influence on all
major continents.

By that definition then there are no liberals nor liberalism.

Today's people who call themselves liberals and liberal-socialists are
about discarding conservative values.

There are no conservative values beyond greed and a stated belief in
Christianity and, once stated, mostly ignored. I know this because I
watched several of the recent GOP nominee debates, and I never heard any
of the candidates espouse anything beyond simple-minded bumpersticker
slogans.

Funny, Rosanne Barr is a liberal religious nut ball, so are the Osmonds.
Religion has fanatics on both sides.

But agree, GOP could tone down the religious crap a bit. But I suspect
it is the liberal urinalism egging it on.

But 0bama is like a bad poker hand, even some democrats know when to quit.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude