"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
I have a question. I have just recently bought a 1986 SeaRay 21' mid
cabin. What type of weather will this boat handle? I would feel comfortable in 2 foot waves. Am I being foolish? What point should I say this is not safe for my boat? I am saying lake Ontario. I mostly cruise the finger lakes but would like to try Ontario next year. Thanks, Scott Gould 0738 wrote: Gould, Lake Erie can kick up to a mess in a little as fifteen minutes. If you an hour away from homeport then what? It's better to get some PLANNED experience going out a little at a time but staying close to home port to get acquainted/acclimated to harder conditions, rather than sit tied to the dock all season or worse, caught having to travel a great distance in bad water without any prior experience. That's my take on it. If you want to put a derrogatory label on me by all means. Bob Dimond In article , (Gould 0738) wrote: Aww.. come on! A 20 foot boat out in Lake Erie only in nice conditions? If you overnight in it you might as well take it out in a little bit of weather 'cause you and I both know on Lake Erie you going to hit it anyway! Egging a guy out into conditions beyond the capabilities of his boat is not the mark of a serious mariner. We agree that one needs to be prepared for snotty weather, and that it can't always be avoided. We disagree that it is prudent to put out into conditions that are marginal and unstable to begin with, what if they get worse? I'm not trying to put a label on you as an individual, but I think that your weather philosophy is not as well developed as might be. IMO. Others will, can, and should disagree. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
I have a question. I have just recently bought a 1986 SeaRay 21' mid
cabin. What type of weather will this boat handle? I would feel comfortable in 2 foot waves. Depending on wave characteristic, (standing chop on one extreme and rolling swells on the other), the answer will vary. Depending on your personal seamanship, the answer will vary. If you are uncertain, uncomfortable, or unhappy.....it doesn't make any difference what the boat will withstand. You are more likely to make mistakes if you get frightened, and that could result in mishandling that will negate some of the boat's designed in survival characteristics. Personal standard? When standing chop is even with or well above the available freeboard, it's time to get concerned. That's not an absolute, and there are other approaches. I know a guy who tries to figure 3" of chop per thousand pounds displacement as a safety level for small boats, and well known Pacific NW boating author Dale Petersen ("Day by Day to Alaska"..runs to AK in a Bayliner Trophy) has a formula based on LWL vs. wave height. Got a small boat? Carry a great big barometer. :-) An error on the side of caution is a wise man's error when it comes to weather. |
"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
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"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
Hi Trevor,
Basically there is no comparison. We are talking apples and oranges. The Bayliner "Capri" is an entry level boat. Thin hull! A little short on amenities, Spartan really, and a 4 cyl 130 hp or 135 hp (depends on which engine is installed) coupled with a basic alpha drive. The Larson is a high end, well built boat, with a fine reputation. It includes a 6 cyl 190 hp, and other amenities such as dual batteries (can save you a tow) and pump-out head. You will also find the items such as upholstery and in dash instruments are a better quality. You will find the Larson is a safer, much better built boat which will hold its value much longer. Capt Frank Trevor wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
Hey Trevor,
One last thing. Safety first! If you are new to boating, or even if you are not, I heartly recommend a USCG boating safety class. Remember, as Captain, you are both legally and morally responsible for the lives of your passengers. You will find some info about children's & pet's life jackets, and some basic abandon ship info on my personal website. Please feel free to make use of the information. There are also some pictures from Chuck Gould's voyage log. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks Capt. Frank Trevor wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
Bob Dimond-
Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? |
"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
Larry!
Yeah I tend to keep a lower profile unless I feel I can contribute something on the subject... Hey Bob! didn't know you were up here.. |
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"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
WaIIy wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:33:42 -0400, (Dionysus Feldman) wrote: Bob Dimond- Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? I was wondering that, too. Maybe he uses an umbrella. There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman, Wally. It is called Special Seamanship Techniques. If memory serves, it discusses a number of ways to reduce the impact of severe weather on you and your boat when you are at sea. On a sailboat, for example, you might want to reef the mainsail and your genny to depower the sail plan. Of course, I have no idea whether you even have a boat, Wally. Are you a boater, or just one of the Neo-Con-Vict riff-raff that bespoils this newsgroup? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
Is this newsgroup on for boaters? Is there a way we can get rid of the riff
raft that clutter up this newsgroup with their right wing propaganda? I have had it with all of the neonazis who have taken over the media we need to find a way to keep them from taking over America. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:33:42 -0400, (Dionysus Feldman) wrote: Bob Dimond- Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? I was wondering that, too. Maybe he uses an umbrella. There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman, Wally. It is called Special Seamanship Techniques. If memory serves, it discusses a number of ways to reduce the impact of severe weather on you and your boat when you are at sea. On a sailboat, for example, you might want to reef the mainsail and your genny to depower the sail plan. Of course, I have no idea whether you even have a boat, Wally. Are you a boater, or just one of the Neo-Con-Vict riff-raff that bespoils this newsgroup? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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