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Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback
from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
Not much to go on. It looks like the larson may be better equipped, but
I like the interior style of the bayliner. The bayliner is newer, but that doesn't necessarily mean squat. I guess it comes down to what you think. Bob Dimond In article , (Trevor) wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
"New" boat comparison - Bayliner vs Larson
Well ... the Larson comes with a guy with a beard and 2 little kids ... -1
point. The Larson has imo an excellent trailer ... with brakes ... I'd need those brakes if I was trailering this size boat ... 2 points. They both are (look to be) equally powered ... 4.3 mercruiser, alpha outdrive ... but is that adequate power for 20 ' fiberglass boat? I myself don't think so if I was planning on bringing along company. The Bayliner looks to have been well looked after ... or maybe hardly used ... 1 point. Does that look like a new lower unit? Hmmm ... 1/2 point. If it was me and I could upgrade the trailer, I'd take (virtually that is) the Bayliner. "Trevor" wrote in message om... Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
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To answer your horsepower question I had a 1995 Bayliner 2052 Cuddy much like
the one in the ad. It was powered by a 4.3LX 190 HP engine and with just me in the boat would top out a 57 mph (according to the GPS). This was before the selective availability was turned off so I don't know if that affected the speed readings. With 5 aboard 4 adults and 1 child it would still do 52 MPH so it was fast. It was not a bad boat but I moved up to a 26 footer after this boat to get back into the cruiser catagory. The Larson looks nice too so you are the one that has to make the choice as to which suits your needs best. A 20' boat is mainly IMO an inland lake or river boat although I did have mine out on Lake Erie several times but only during "nice" conditions. Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. |
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Aww.. come on! A 20 foot boat out in Lake Erie only in nice conditions?
If you overnight in it you might as well take it out in a little bit of weather 'cause you and I both know on Lake Erie you going to hit it anyway! Bob Dimond P.S. I moved up to a 23. Wish I could move up to a 26 though :^) It was not a bad boat but I moved up to a 26 footer after this boat to get back into the cruiser catagory. The Larson looks nice too so you are the one that has to make the choice as to which suits your needs best. A 20' boat is mainly IMO an inland lake or river boat although I did have mine out on Lake Erie several times but only during "nice" conditions. |
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Aww.. come on! A 20 foot boat out in Lake Erie only in nice conditions?
If you overnight in it you might as well take it out in a little bit of weather 'cause you and I both know on Lake Erie you going to hit it anyway! Egging a guy out into conditions beyond the capabilities of his boat is not the mark of a serious mariner. Might as well check the VHF marine weather forecast, as well as current conditions. Might as well pay careful attention to reports from monitoring stations in the weather quarter. Might as well consult a barometer and see if it's rising or falling at your specific location. The weather doesn't give a rip snort how tough you or I think we might be, or pay much attention to the marketing claims of one builder vs. another. Light displacement, low freeboard, shallow draft boats with flat transoms (not to mention open foredecks, no bow flare, etc) are fair weather playthings. Just because you can take one out in ridiculous conditions and avoid death, (a percentage of the time), doesn't make the practice advisable. It's one thing to get caught out in the snot and have to work your way to shelter. It's another thing entirely to put out in a small boat into the teeth of a big wind. |
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Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling
people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! Also, I've said in previous post. If you are using a boat to travel any distance and/or overnight away form home port on Lake Erie, you better DAMN WELL have a feel for a little rough water, because sooner or later IT WILL FIND YOU. Gould, Lake Erie can kick up to a mess in a little as fifteen minutes. If you an hour away from homeport then what? It's better to get some PLANNED experience going out a little at a time but staying close to home port to get acquainted/acclimated to harder conditions, rather than sit tied to the dock all season or worse, caught having to travel a great distance in bad water without any prior experience. That's my take on it. If you want to put a derrogatory label on me by all means. Bob Dimond In article , (Gould 0738) wrote: Aww.. come on! A 20 foot boat out in Lake Erie only in nice conditions? If you overnight in it you might as well take it out in a little bit of weather 'cause you and I both know on Lake Erie you going to hit it anyway! Egging a guy out into conditions beyond the capabilities of his boat is not the mark of a serious mariner. |
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Hey Bob! didn't know you were up here..
Bob D. wrote: Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! Also, I've said in previous post. If you are using a boat to travel any distance and/or overnight away form home port on Lake Erie, you better DAMN WELL have a feel for a little rough water, because sooner or later IT WILL FIND YOU. Gould, Lake Erie can kick up to a mess in a little as fifteen minutes. If you an hour away from homeport then what? It's better to get some PLANNED experience going out a little at a time but staying close to home port to get acquainted/acclimated to harder conditions, rather than sit tied to the dock all season or worse, caught having to travel a great distance in bad water without any prior experience. That's my take on it. If you want to put a derrogatory label on me by all means. Bob Dimond In article , (Gould 0738) wrote: Aww.. come on! A 20 foot boat out in Lake Erie only in nice conditions? If you overnight in it you might as well take it out in a little bit of weather 'cause you and I both know on Lake Erie you going to hit it anyway! Egging a guy out into conditions beyond the capabilities of his boat is not the mark of a serious mariner. |
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Gould, Lake Erie can kick up to a mess in a little as fifteen minutes. If
you an hour away from homeport then what? It's better to get some PLANNED experience going out a little at a time but staying close to home port to get acquainted/acclimated to harder conditions, rather than sit tied to the dock all season or worse, caught having to travel a great distance in bad water without any prior experience. That's my take on it. If you want to put a derrogatory label on me by all means. Bob Dimond In article , (Gould 0738) wrote: Aww.. come on! A 20 foot boat out in Lake Erie only in nice conditions? If you overnight in it you might as well take it out in a little bit of weather 'cause you and I both know on Lake Erie you going to hit it anyway! Egging a guy out into conditions beyond the capabilities of his boat is not the mark of a serious mariner. We agree that one needs to be prepared for snotty weather, and that it can't always be avoided. We disagree that it is prudent to put out into conditions that are marginal and unstable to begin with, what if they get worse? I'm not trying to put a label on you as an individual, but I think that your weather philosophy is not as well developed as might be. IMO. Others will, can, and should disagree. |
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I have a question. I have just recently bought a 1986 SeaRay 21' mid
cabin. What type of weather will this boat handle? I would feel comfortable in 2 foot waves. Am I being foolish? What point should I say this is not safe for my boat? I am saying lake Ontario. I mostly cruise the finger lakes but would like to try Ontario next year. Thanks, Scott Gould 0738 wrote: Gould, Lake Erie can kick up to a mess in a little as fifteen minutes. If you an hour away from homeport then what? It's better to get some PLANNED experience going out a little at a time but staying close to home port to get acquainted/acclimated to harder conditions, rather than sit tied to the dock all season or worse, caught having to travel a great distance in bad water without any prior experience. That's my take on it. If you want to put a derrogatory label on me by all means. Bob Dimond In article , (Gould 0738) wrote: Aww.. come on! A 20 foot boat out in Lake Erie only in nice conditions? If you overnight in it you might as well take it out in a little bit of weather 'cause you and I both know on Lake Erie you going to hit it anyway! Egging a guy out into conditions beyond the capabilities of his boat is not the mark of a serious mariner. We agree that one needs to be prepared for snotty weather, and that it can't always be avoided. We disagree that it is prudent to put out into conditions that are marginal and unstable to begin with, what if they get worse? I'm not trying to put a label on you as an individual, but I think that your weather philosophy is not as well developed as might be. IMO. Others will, can, and should disagree. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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I have a question. I have just recently bought a 1986 SeaRay 21' mid
cabin. What type of weather will this boat handle? I would feel comfortable in 2 foot waves. Depending on wave characteristic, (standing chop on one extreme and rolling swells on the other), the answer will vary. Depending on your personal seamanship, the answer will vary. If you are uncertain, uncomfortable, or unhappy.....it doesn't make any difference what the boat will withstand. You are more likely to make mistakes if you get frightened, and that could result in mishandling that will negate some of the boat's designed in survival characteristics. Personal standard? When standing chop is even with or well above the available freeboard, it's time to get concerned. That's not an absolute, and there are other approaches. I know a guy who tries to figure 3" of chop per thousand pounds displacement as a safety level for small boats, and well known Pacific NW boating author Dale Petersen ("Day by Day to Alaska"..runs to AK in a Bayliner Trophy) has a formula based on LWL vs. wave height. Got a small boat? Carry a great big barometer. :-) An error on the side of caution is a wise man's error when it comes to weather. |
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Hi Trevor,
Basically there is no comparison. We are talking apples and oranges. The Bayliner "Capri" is an entry level boat. Thin hull! A little short on amenities, Spartan really, and a 4 cyl 130 hp or 135 hp (depends on which engine is installed) coupled with a basic alpha drive. The Larson is a high end, well built boat, with a fine reputation. It includes a 6 cyl 190 hp, and other amenities such as dual batteries (can save you a tow) and pump-out head. You will also find the items such as upholstery and in dash instruments are a better quality. You will find the Larson is a safer, much better built boat which will hold its value much longer. Capt Frank Trevor wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
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Hey Trevor,
One last thing. Safety first! If you are new to boating, or even if you are not, I heartly recommend a USCG boating safety class. Remember, as Captain, you are both legally and morally responsible for the lives of your passengers. You will find some info about children's & pet's life jackets, and some basic abandon ship info on my personal website. Please feel free to make use of the information. There are also some pictures from Chuck Gould's voyage log. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks Capt. Frank Trevor wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
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Bob Dimond-
Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? |
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Larry!
Yeah I tend to keep a lower profile unless I feel I can contribute something on the subject... Hey Bob! didn't know you were up here.. |
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WaIIy wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:33:42 -0400, (Dionysus Feldman) wrote: Bob Dimond- Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? I was wondering that, too. Maybe he uses an umbrella. There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman, Wally. It is called Special Seamanship Techniques. If memory serves, it discusses a number of ways to reduce the impact of severe weather on you and your boat when you are at sea. On a sailboat, for example, you might want to reef the mainsail and your genny to depower the sail plan. Of course, I have no idea whether you even have a boat, Wally. Are you a boater, or just one of the Neo-Con-Vict riff-raff that bespoils this newsgroup? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Is this newsgroup on for boaters? Is there a way we can get rid of the riff
raft that clutter up this newsgroup with their right wing propaganda? I have had it with all of the neonazis who have taken over the media we need to find a way to keep them from taking over America. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:33:42 -0400, (Dionysus Feldman) wrote: Bob Dimond- Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? I was wondering that, too. Maybe he uses an umbrella. There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman, Wally. It is called Special Seamanship Techniques. If memory serves, it discusses a number of ways to reduce the impact of severe weather on you and your boat when you are at sea. On a sailboat, for example, you might want to reef the mainsail and your genny to depower the sail plan. Of course, I have no idea whether you even have a boat, Wally. Are you a boater, or just one of the Neo-Con-Vict riff-raff that bespoils this newsgroup? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Out of curiosity, why do you suppose the bayliner web includes a pic of a
4.3 litre motor? "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Hi Trevor, Basically there is no comparison. We are talking apples and oranges. The Bayliner "Capri" is an entry level boat. Thin hull! A little short on amenities, Spartan really, and a 4 cyl 130 hp or 135 hp (depends on which engine is installed) coupled with a basic alpha drive. The Larson is a high end, well built boat, with a fine reputation. It includes a 6 cyl 190 hp, and other amenities such as dual batteries (can save you a tow) and pump-out head. You will also find the items such as upholstery and in dash instruments are a better quality. You will find the Larson is a safer, much better built boat which will hold its value much longer. Capt Frank Trevor wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
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WaIIy wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:24:46 GMT, "Don Pulaski" wrote: Of course, I have no idea whether you even have a boat, Wally. Are you a boater, or just one of the Neo-Con-Vict riff-raff that bespoils this newsgroup? LOL ! This is coming from a man with a pirate on his (suposed) boat. You can take the hillbilly out of the hills, etc. You seem to take the pirate cartoon on one of my boats awfully seriously, Wally. Did a pirate ravage one of your ancestors? Everyone who sees Yo Ho grins at the artwork and the name. Exactly my intention. I missed the part where you described your boat... -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman,
Oh, Harry. I'll bet you $20 against a Krispy Kreme that somewhere in Chapman's it counsels "Don't put out into severe weather." That's what the issue is in this discussion. Yes, if you get caught in bad weather there are steps to take to improve your degree of safety. I'm from the old school. A school that's so darn old that I don't know of hardly anyboy that says, "If I do all the things I would do when caught in a severe storm *before* leaving the dock, I can then smartly and safely venture out into bad weather on a pleasure cruise." Pass the Tostitos, please. |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman, Oh, Harry. I'll bet you $20 against a Krispy Kreme that somewhere in Chapman's it counsels "Don't put out into severe weather." That's what the issue is in this discussion. No bet. I'm sure there is. I don't go out if the weather is bad. Hell, I was going to go out today, but even though the sun was shining, it was only 42F at 8 am. If I wanted to boat in Seattle in the summertime, I'd move near you! Yes, if you get caught in bad weather there are steps to take to improve your degree of safety. Indeed, and there's a chapter about it in Chapman. Which is why I aimed the fellow in that direction. I'm from the old school. A school that's so darn old that I don't know of hardly anyboy that says, "If I do all the things I would do when caught in a severe storm *before* leaving the dock, I can then smartly and safely venture out into bad weather on a pleasure cruise." Pass the Tostitos, please. Are those sudden onset Tositos? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Capt. Frank,
I think boats need to be matched up to a captain and a body of water. Perhaps more so to the captain. My brother in law has a 23 foot Bayliner Ciera. I always been impressed with the usable room and all the amenities for the price he paid. The problem is he boats on Lake St. Clair in Michigan. This is a large shallow body of water, which on weekends has a steady chop of 3 to 4 feet. Also he generally subscribes to two speeds, idle and pedal to the metal. Consequently his boat has a lot of spidered gelcoat. Now if perhaps he had a Fountain offshore racer or he was a mellow sort of a driver or he operated on calmer waters, there wouldn't be a problem........ Paul "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Hi Trevor, Basically there is no comparison. We are talking apples and oranges. The Bayliner "Capri" is an entry level boat. Thin hull! A little short on amenities, Spartan really, and a 4 cyl 130 hp or 135 hp (depends on which engine is installed) coupled with a basic alpha drive. The Larson is a high end, well built boat, with a fine reputation. It includes a 6 cyl 190 hp, and other amenities such as dual batteries (can save you a tow) and pump-out head. You will also find the items such as upholstery and in dash instruments are a better quality. You will find the Larson is a safer, much better built boat which will hold its value much longer. Capt Frank Trevor wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
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Can't say. Haven't been on Lake michigan. Minimizing weather is not
traveling directly from A to B , but changing course to take the waves in a manner that maintains the highest degree of maneuveraqbility, comfort or maybe even speed. Minimizing weather could also be changing course to take advantage of safe passage on the lee side of an obstruct (e.g island) On a trip it may necessitate having other waypoints configured as contingency safe harbors. I guess it's not as clear cut absolute as I made it sound, so YYMV. Sorry. With regards to my boat, and where I boat, which I thought was near where the bayliner 20 poster ran his boat, here's some example of what I do. For the 15 mile north-south I routinely travel from South Bass Island to my Marina; Heavy Wind/Water out of the south: Travel 1/3 SSW putting the weather off the bow. Travel SSE 1/3 past the SW shore of Kellys. When you enter the Sandusky Bay inlet you near shore and waves are dimished. Heavy Wind/Water out of the North: Travel 1/3 SSW putting the weather off the stern. Travel SSE 1/3 past the SW shore of Kellys. As you enter the inley for Sandusky Bay, you will be in the lee. Winds out of the west: The majority of weather is out of near shore. Winds out of the east: Weather is off of the far shore. Rough for the first three miles but seas are on the beam. Head SE to Kellys Western Shore. Hug the shore, regain your breath, then hold on for that last mile. In article , wrote: Bob Dimond- Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? |
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I should note that I'll take these manueuvers and others in anything
larger than six feet. Anythng less, and I can usually travel the straight course, but that by no means infers that its a relaxing trip. Besides fuel and other provisions (e.g. food water, SO's tolerance) needed for the longer cruise. Sometimes its really a judgement call. Adjust course to increase the variables I've mentioned, or stand on and take it, and get it over with. An example, I once took the Trophy in 5-7 foot rollers out of the Detroit channel almost straight at greatly reduced speed (10-12mph) because the winds were 50 miles out of my direction of travel. It meant two hours of discomfort with the only reassurance that the further you travel the more diminished the weather. It was the repeated as my Mantra. By the time we got to South Bass, we were in great shape. We got home to Sandusky withing an hour of a HUGE storm. I'll stand by my decision to travel the straight. Bob |
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BOB wrote:
An example, I once took the Trophy in 5-7 foot rollers out of the Detroit channel almost straight at greatly reduced speed (10-12mph) because the winds were 50 miles out of my direction of travel. Are you referring to your 16' Trophy? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net...
Hey Trevor, One last thing. Safety first! If you are new to boating, or even if you are not, I heartly recommend a USCG boating safety class. Remember, as Captain, you are both legally and morally responsible for the lives of your passengers. You will find some info about children's & pet's life jackets, and some basic abandon ship info on my personal website. Please feel free to make use of the information. There are also some pictures from Chuck Gould's voyage log. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks Capt. Frank Thanks much for the insight - FYI the Bayliner does have a 6 not a 4 but your description of the two was exactly what I was looking for. I've been around boats for the better part of 15 years although never owned my own. Biggest I've driven to date though was a 19' Bowrider and was looking to move up as well as slowly moving my activities from inland PA lakes to the Upper Chesapeake. (whole other world I'm finding out, starting slow though). :) Thanks again. -trevor |
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That's what the issue is in
this discussion. Funny, I thought the issue in this discussion was comparing 2 boats. Who knew? |
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Bob Dimond-
Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? Wally-- I was wondering that, too. Maybe he uses an umbrella. Harry K-- There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman, Wally. It is called Special Seamanship Techniques. If memory serves, it discusses a number of ways to reduce the impact of severe weather on you and your boat when you are at sea. On a sailboat, for example, you might want to reef the mainsail and your genny to depower the sail plan. df-- Thanks Harry. I didn't notice the entire chapter in Chapman's about reducing weather. I bought Chapman's for the chapter on how to buy a compass. Lake Michigan is similar to being at sea, except for the fact that it's a lake and has very different wave characteristics. And the SeaRay 240 SRV sedan cruiser in question doesn't have much of a sail plan. Other than that, it was really helpful advice, "Go read about it in a general text book". |
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Good question. Perhaps an optional or replacement engine? Upon closer
inspection of the pix it looks as though there is corrosion on the gimbals housing, and the zincs don't look healthy. If the gimbal has any corrosion, caveat emptor. That chunk of metal costs about 3500. I looked at the outdrive and bumped the image's gamma to see shadow. I dunno dude, the drive looks as rough as 80 grit toilet paper to me. Have a look at it here. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks/bayliner.html Capt. Frank bowgus wrote: Out of curiosity, why do you suppose the bayliner web includes a pic of a 4.3 litre motor? "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Hi Trevor, Basically there is no comparison. We are talking apples and oranges. The Bayliner "Capri" is an entry level boat. Thin hull! A little short on amenities, Spartan really, and a 4 cyl 130 hp or 135 hp (depends on which engine is installed) coupled with a basic alpha drive. The Larson is a high end, well built boat, with a fine reputation. It includes a 6 cyl 190 hp, and other amenities such as dual batteries (can save you a tow) and pump-out head. You will also find the items such as upholstery and in dash instruments are a better quality. You will find the Larson is a safer, much better built boat which will hold its value much longer. Capt Frank Trevor wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
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Hi Paul. I agree, the Cierra is a nice boat. But again, we are talking
completely different models. The Capri is Bayliner's entry level boat whereas the Cierra is their top-of-the-line PC cruiser. I have a dockmate that has a nice '99 model 28' Cierra. Beautiful, roomy boat, But when placed alongside my Formula 27 PC, again, we are comparing apples and oranges. Once again, I re-re-re-state, Please take a USCG boating safety class. In any event, look at my website for a closer look at the drive on the Bayliner in question. I bumped the gamma up a bit to see more detail in the drive, and it looks like it has corrosion damage to the lower unit. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks/bayliner.html Capt. Frank Paul Schilter wrote: Capt. Frank, I think boats need to be matched up to a captain and a body of water. Perhaps more so to the captain. My brother in law has a 23 foot Bayliner Ciera. I always been impressed with the usable room and all the amenities for the price he paid. The problem is he boats on Lake St. Clair in Michigan. This is a large shallow body of water, which on weekends has a steady chop of 3 to 4 feet. Also he generally subscribes to two speeds, idle and pedal to the metal. Consequently his boat has a lot of spidered gelcoat. Now if perhaps he had a Fountain offshore racer or he was a mellow sort of a driver or he operated on calmer waters, there wouldn't be a problem........ Paul "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Hi Trevor, Basically there is no comparison. We are talking apples and oranges. The Bayliner "Capri" is an entry level boat. Thin hull! A little short on amenities, Spartan really, and a 4 cyl 130 hp or 135 hp (depends on which engine is installed) coupled with a basic alpha drive. The Larson is a high end, well built boat, with a fine reputation. It includes a 6 cyl 190 hp, and other amenities such as dual batteries (can save you a tow) and pump-out head. You will also find the items such as upholstery and in dash instruments are a better quality. You will find the Larson is a safer, much better built boat which will hold its value much longer. Capt Frank Trevor wrote: Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback from this fine group on the following two boats? http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm Thanks much... tcGb, -trevor |
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Hi again Trevor,
I had a closer look at the Bayliner pix, and after bumping the Gamma, here is what I found. Corrosion damage. I could not get a good look at the drive on the Larson, but the pic of the bayliner shows what to look for in a corrosion damaged drive. Pay close attention to acne-like round spots. Those indicate serious damage. The white stuff on the transom could be a sealer to cover up a leaking, corrosion damaged gimbal assembly. If you are not familiar with Mercruiser drives, fine someone that is to go shopping with you. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks/bayliner.html Capt. Frank Trevor wrote: "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Hey Trevor, One last thing. Safety first! If you are new to boating, or even if you are not, I heartly recommend a USCG boating safety class. Remember, as Captain, you are both legally and morally responsible for the lives of your passengers. You will find some info about children's & pet's life jackets, and some basic abandon ship info on my personal website. Please feel free to make use of the information. There are also some pictures from Chuck Gould's voyage log. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks Capt. Frank Thanks much for the insight - FYI the Bayliner does have a 6 not a 4 but your description of the two was exactly what I was looking for. I've been around boats for the better part of 15 years although never owned my own. Biggest I've driven to date though was a 19' Bowrider and was looking to move up as well as slowly moving my activities from inland PA lakes to the Upper Chesapeake. (whole other world I'm finding out, starting slow though). :) Thanks again. -trevor |
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No, I'm referring to my 21' Trophy. The 16' was a capri cuddy.
Should alos note that the winds were NOT 50MPH but comming from the far shore fifty mile away... In article , Harry Krause wrote: BOB wrote: An example, I once took the Trophy in 5-7 foot rollers out of the Detroit channel almost straight at greatly reduced speed (10-12mph) because the winds were 50 miles out of my direction of travel. Are you referring to your 16' Trophy? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Dionysus Feldman wrote:
Bob Dimond- Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not telling people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT! df- So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on Lake Michigan? Wally-- I was wondering that, too. Maybe he uses an umbrella. Harry K-- There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman, Wally. It is called Special Seamanship Techniques. If memory serves, it discusses a number of ways to reduce the impact of severe weather on you and your boat when you are at sea. On a sailboat, for example, you might want to reef the mainsail and your genny to depower the sail plan. df-- Thanks Harry. I didn't notice the entire chapter in Chapman's about reducing weather. I bought Chapman's for the chapter on how to buy a compass. Lake Michigan is similar to being at sea, except for the fact that it's a lake and has very different wave characteristics. And the SeaRay 240 SRV sedan cruiser in question doesn't have much of a sail plan. Other than that, it was really helpful advice, "Go read about it in a general text book". Actually, I'm not even sure what the writer meant by the term "minimize weather." I'm guessing the intent was to imply "minimize the impact of heavy weather" on a boat under operation. In that case, I'd still start with Chapman. Almost any large bookstore will have other books on seamanship. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Excellent - your advise has be invaluable. Thanks much for the insight (again)!
-trevor "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message k.net... Hi again Trevor, I had a closer look at the Bayliner pix, and after bumping the Gamma, here is what I found. Corrosion damage. I could not get a good look at the drive on the Larson, but the pic of the bayliner shows what to look for in a corrosion damaged drive. Pay close attention to acne-like round spots. Those indicate serious damage. The white stuff on the transom could be a sealer to cover up a leaking, corrosion damaged gimbal assembly. If you are not familiar with Mercruiser drives, fine someone that is to go shopping with you. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks/bayliner.html Capt. Frank Trevor wrote: "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Hey Trevor, One last thing. Safety first! If you are new to boating, or even if you are not, I heartly recommend a USCG boating safety class. Remember, as Captain, you are both legally and morally responsible for the lives of your passengers. You will find some info about children's & pet's life jackets, and some basic abandon ship info on my personal website. Please feel free to make use of the information. There are also some pictures from Chuck Gould's voyage log. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks Capt. Frank Thanks much for the insight - FYI the Bayliner does have a 6 not a 4 but your description of the two was exactly what I was looking for. I've been around boats for the better part of 15 years although never owned my own. Biggest I've driven to date though was a 19' Bowrider and was looking to move up as well as slowly moving my activities from inland PA lakes to the Upper Chesapeake. (whole other world I'm finding out, starting slow though). :) Thanks again. -trevor |
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