|
Due Process???
In article om,
says... On 10/4/2011 10:54 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 30/09/2011 5:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John wrote: Anwar AL-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo. No, it doesn't. al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13 years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and then released because they were guilty of nothing. Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically. The world is better off without Gitmo detainees. If they need more room, just execute a bunch. What happens in Gitmo should stay in gitmo. No need to give Harry sock puppets, and those of similar mind, more to carp about. Expect more murders of the, Anwar AL-Awlaki sort, in the months to come before the election. Is that how Obama is going to try and improve his image as a Commander- in-Chief. He will most likely have a string of press conferences where the most common word is "I". |
Due Process???
In article ,
says... On 01/10/2011 11:00 AM, John H wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John wrote: Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo. No, it doesn't. al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13 years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and then released because they were guilty of nothing. Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically. Guilty based on what? And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember? More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong. I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo. I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist hideout. These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple drivers and whomever else was in the cars. Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it... I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how we feel.. I have no problem with Gitmo... The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of those cases when they finally come to trial. I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, too. I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them. Are you implying our laws shouldn't apply on soil that isn't 'American'? How silly. Not at all. America does not rule the world. Although I am sure some arrogant dumb****s think so. If an American kills an American on Canadian soil whose laws are in effect? |
Due Process???
On Oct 5, 8:58*am, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 01/10/2011 11:00 AM, John H wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" *wrote: On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait *wrote: On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John wrote: Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo. No, it doesn't. al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13 years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and then released because they were guilty of nothing. Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically. Guilty based on what? And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember? More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong. I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo. I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist hideout. These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple drivers and whomever else was in the cars. Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess.... As to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it... I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how we feel.. I have no problem with Gitmo... The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of those cases when they finally come to trial. I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, too. I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them. Are you implying our laws shouldn't apply on soil that isn't 'American'? How silly. Not at all. *America does not rule the world. *Although I am sure some arrogant dumb****s think so. If an American kills an American on Canadian soil whose laws are in effect?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Canadian of course. Even if it was an American criminal who did the deed on 'merican soil...and escaped up here.. we won't send him back unless you agree not to execute him. |
Due Process???
On 10/5/11 9:15 AM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 5, 8:58 am, wrote: In , says... On 01/10/2011 11:00 AM, John H wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John wrote: Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo. No, it doesn't. al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13 years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and then released because they were guilty of nothing. Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically. Guilty based on what? And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember? More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong. I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo. I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist hideout. These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple drivers and whomever else was in the cars. Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it... I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how we feel.. I have no problem with Gitmo... The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of those cases when they finally come to trial. I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, too. I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them. Are you implying our laws shouldn't apply on soil that isn't 'American'? How silly. Not at all. America does not rule the world. Although I am sure some arrogant dumb****s think so. If an American kills an American on Canadian soil whose laws are in effect?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Canadian of course. Even if it was an American criminal who did the deed on 'merican soil...and escaped up here.. we won't send him back unless you agree not to execute him. That's right...Canada is civilized...it has done away with executions. America, the land of Christianity, has not. -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. |
Due Process???
In article ,
says... On 10/4/2011 11:00 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 01/10/2011 10:47 AM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John wrote: Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo. No, it doesn't. al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13 years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and then released because they were guilty of nothing. Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically. Guilty based on what? And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember? More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong. I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo. I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist hideout. These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple drivers and whomever else was in the cars. Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it... I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how we feel.. I have no problem with Gitmo... The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of those cases when they finally come to trial. Actually not. It is leased from Cuba. Cuba soil, American run. I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, too. Perhaps. But none would you want running loose if you were sane. Lt them go and count the days for Americans and others to die. I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them. Funny, al Queda and the Taliban as many others, they would just cut your head off, burn you or if lucky a shot in the forehead. And not water boarding, they would torture you with missing fingers, limbs and other hard to imagine things. You woud want death in their hands. Have you seen the video of Saddams soldiers pushing guys off the third story onto pavement? Oh yeah, the guys were blindfolded, and hogtied... No I haven't, could you provide a link? |
Due Process???
On 10/5/2011 9:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 10/4/2011 11:00 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 01/10/2011 10:47 AM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John wrote: Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo. No, it doesn't. al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13 years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and then released because they were guilty of nothing. Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically. Guilty based on what? And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember? More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong. I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo. I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist hideout. These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple drivers and whomever else was in the cars. Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it... I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how we feel.. I have no problem with Gitmo... The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of those cases when they finally come to trial. Actually not. It is leased from Cuba. Cuba soil, American run. I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, too. Perhaps. But none would you want running loose if you were sane. Lt them go and count the days for Americans and others to die. I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them. Funny, al Queda and the Taliban as many others, they would just cut your head off, burn you or if lucky a shot in the forehead. And not water boarding, they would torture you with missing fingers, limbs and other hard to imagine things. You woud want death in their hands. Have you seen the video of Saddams soldiers pushing guys off the third story onto pavement? Oh yeah, the guys were blindfolded, and hogtied... No I haven't, could you provide a link? I will look for it tonight.. It was hard to watch. Two guys were sitting on the edge of the building, hands and feet tied, blindfolded. Sadams soldiers were screaming at them and then they just pushed one guy off, then the other.. It hit me hard as I am afraid of heights, thinking what those guys were thinking going down, hands and feet tied, blindfolded with no way to protect themselves or even brace for impact... still makes my stomach turn. But for the sake of playing your game of twister once again, I will see if I can find it. I am sure you can if you want, it's a case of weather you want to inform yourself, have me inform you, or remain uninformed... really... |
Due Process???
|
Due Process???
In article ,
says... On 10/5/2011 9:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/4/2011 11:00 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 01/10/2011 10:47 AM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote: On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John wrote: Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo. No, it doesn't. al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13 years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and then released because they were guilty of nothing. Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically. Guilty based on what? And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember? More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong. I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo. I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist hideout. These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple drivers and whomever else was in the cars. Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it... I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how we feel.. I have no problem with Gitmo... The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of those cases when they finally come to trial. Actually not. It is leased from Cuba. Cuba soil, American run. I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, too. Perhaps. But none would you want running loose if you were sane. Lt them go and count the days for Americans and others to die. I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them. Funny, al Queda and the Taliban as many others, they would just cut your head off, burn you or if lucky a shot in the forehead. And not water boarding, they would torture you with missing fingers, limbs and other hard to imagine things. You woud want death in their hands. Have you seen the video of Saddams soldiers pushing guys off the third story onto pavement? Oh yeah, the guys were blindfolded, and hogtied... No I haven't, could you provide a link? I will look for it tonight.. It was hard to watch. Two guys were sitting on the edge of the building, hands and feet tied, blindfolded. Sadams soldiers were screaming at them and then they just pushed one guy off, then the other.. It hit me hard as I am afraid of heights, thinking what those guys were thinking going down, hands and feet tied, blindfolded with no way to protect themselves or even brace for impact... still makes my stomach turn. But for the sake of playing your game of twister once again, I will see if I can find it. I am sure you can if you want, it's a case of weather you want to inform yourself, have me inform you, or remain uninformed... really... Yeah..... |
Due Process???
On 10/5/11 1:19 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:10:31 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:23:22 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:45:56 -0400, wrote: It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries ramifications to this day. It was actually somewhat legal, particularly if they call them POWs. That all gets back to whether this is actually a war. If it isn't a war, why are we bombing people? Would it be better if we just murdered these people anonymously, like the Israelis? Perhaps. I don't think we have much to show from the $3 trillion we spent doing it with massive force. I believe, according to law, "wars" are declared, not contrived. If that was true, we would not have actually had war since 1945. Truman, Johnson, Reagan and the Bushes (41, 42, 43& 44) never got the word. Nor did Nixon until this happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution To use the Obama line, Nixon inherited his war but to take the analogy even farther, he said he would stop the war and he escalated it, just l;ike Afghanistan. He also expanded it into another country just like Obama. They both had their massive leak of government documents about it. Why do we believe any of these guys? My major disappointment with Obama is that he hasn't pulled us completely out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I also understand, however, that he doesn't suffer from a rigid personality disorder. His predecessor did, but, fortunately, most presidents did not. It's one thing for a presidential candidate to say "X" before he/she gets into office and then, upon assuming the office, finding out that the assumptions were based upon faulty or incomplete information. That's a challenge that faces just about every political candidate, of course. I mean, in relation to the economy, I am sure Obama didn't know how big a mess Bush had created and left behind, and how intransigent the GOP would be in terms of resolution. -- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:57 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com