Due Process???
 

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On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:35:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:01:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in
particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries
ramifications to this day.


It was actually somewhat legal, particularly if they call them POWs.
That all gets back to whether this is actually a war.
If it isn't a war, why are we bombing people?
Would it be better if we just murdered these people anonymously, like
the Israelis? Perhaps.
I don't think we have much to show from the $3 trillion we spent doing
it with massive force.

I believe, according to law, "wars" are declared, not contrived.

Depends upon whose law you are talking about.

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On 30/09/2011 4:41 PM, John H wrote:
Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo.

Given he knew he was wanted for years, and didn't come forth to answer
up, good kill.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs.
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

Due Process???
 

On 30/09/2011 5:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo.

No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

The world is better off without Gitmo detainees. If they need more
room, just execute a bunch.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs.
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

Due Process???
 

On 01/10/2011 8:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo.

No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

Guilty based on what?

And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember?

More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong.

My guess is Obama wants to look tough or the staff said WFT Obama, we
have him!!! So let us do it.

--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs.
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

Due Process???
 

On 01/10/2011 10:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:

On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait









wrote:
On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo.

No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

Guilty based on what?

And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember?

More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong.

I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also
didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo.
I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than
arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist
hideout.
These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple
drivers and whomever else was in the cars.

Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As
to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided
to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it...

I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how
we feel..

I have no problem with Gitmo...

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

Actually not. It is leased from Cuba. Cuba soil, American run.

I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping
ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong
time, too.

Perhaps. But none would you want running loose if you were sane. Lt
them go and count the days for Americans and others to die.

I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using
the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them.

Funny, al Queda and the Taliban as many others, they would just cut your
head off, burn you or if lucky a shot in the forehead. And not water
boarding, they would torture you with missing fingers, limbs and other
hard to imagine things. You woud want death in their hands.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs.
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

Due Process???
 

On 01/10/2011 11:00 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:

On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait









wrote:
On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in Guantanamo.

No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

Guilty based on what?

And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember?

More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong.

I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also
didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo.
I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than
arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist
hideout.
These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple
drivers and whomever else was in the cars.

Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As
to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided
to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it...

I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how
we feel..

I have no problem with Gitmo...

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping
ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong
time, too.

I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using
the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them.

Are you implying our laws shouldn't apply on soil that isn't 'American'?

How silly.

Not at all. America does not rule the world. Although I am sure some
arrogant dumb****s think so.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs.
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

Due Process???
 

On 01/10/2011 2:19 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

Canada and US lock up political prisoners all the time. We are in fact
hypocrites in this regard. See G8/20 in Toronto for a recent good
example. Wall Street and DC have a history of this too.

But when rocks and bullets fly here, they are criminals but in Syria,
Egypt, Yemen, Libya... they are good guys. Just depends on if our
corrupt leaders support the current leader or not.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs.
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

Due Process???
 

On 10/4/2011 5:45 PM, wrote:
Gitmo was
a process designed to violate American Law because Bush felt that he
was above the law.

Can you prove it, or are you lying again?

Due Process???
 

On 10/4/2011 5:45 PM, wrote:


Because Bush though that he had subverted American Law by doing so.

Can you prove this, or is it just more of your made up talking points?

Due Process???
 

On 10/4/2011 11:00 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/10/2011 10:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:

On Oct 1, 11:09 am, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait









wrote:
On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it
shows the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in
Guantanamo.

No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young
as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in
the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and
politically.

Guilty based on what?

And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember?

More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong.

I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also
didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo.
I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than
arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist
hideout.
These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple
drivers and whomever else was in the cars.

Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As
to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and
decided
to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it...

I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how
we feel..

I have no problem with Gitmo...

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

Actually not. It is leased from Cuba. Cuba soil, American run.

I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping
ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong
time, too.

Perhaps. But none would you want running loose if you were sane. Lt them
go and count the days for Americans and others to die.

I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using
the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them.

Funny, al Queda and the Taliban as many others, they would just cut your
head off, burn you or if lucky a shot in the forehead. And not water
boarding, they would torture you with missing fingers, limbs and other
hard to imagine things. You woud want death in their hands.

Have you seen the video of Saddams soldiers pushing guys off the third
story onto pavement? Oh yeah, the guys were blindfolded, and hogtied...