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On 10/1/2011 9:31 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 10/1/11 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:55:57 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

On 10/1/2011 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:26:18 -0400, John
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:14:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows
the absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in
Guantanamo.

No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

Guilty based on what?

And, your boy promised to fix Guantanamo. Remember?

More bull**** from Obama, who can do no wrong.

I really don't have a problem with killing these guys but I also
didn't have a huge problem with Gitmo.
I do wonder why killing everyone in that convoy is any different than
arresting and detaining everyone who was in a suspected terrorist
hideout.
These people keep ignoring the fact that we also killed a couple
drivers and whomever else was in the cars.

Yeah, that's what happens when you declare war on the US I guess... As
to the drivers, etc.. They knew damn well they were at war, and decided
to stay in the fight, they lost, get over it...

I just want them to stop whining about the Gitmo people if that is how
we feel..

Even the ones scooped up for no reason other than being in the wrong
place at the wrong time and guilty of nothing?


What is your president doing about it? He promised to shut it down in
his inaugural speech.

-HB

He promised a lot then. Problem is the only two promises he kept were
doubling the gas prices to feed GE, and triple health care costs over
the next five years...

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YouDont@NeedToKnow wrote in message
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The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

I personally think it is a problem that it was used as a dumping
ground for a bunch of people that were in the wrong place at the wrong
time, too.

I have no problem with holding perps and defending America, but using
the same methods as the perps makes us no better than them.

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This is the heart of the debate in the courts. Gitmo is *not* American
soil. It is Cuban sovereign territory.
The US has practical control as a US Naval Base, technically leased from
Cuba, but it is not American sovereign
territory, therefore by law, US courts have no jurisdiction.

Eisboch

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In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
On 9/30/2011 9:37 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the
absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in
Guantanamo.
No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

How do you know he was guilty? Was he tried and convicted, you silly
crazy *******?

-HB

He doesn't know anything, he is just arguing, like he did when he
called himself Plum, or Paul, or Areal boater, X-man...

What's with the X-Man thing? Is/was he a trans woman?

-HB

He is a shut-in. His "wife" or more correctly landlord keeps him down in
the basement of the house he inhabits. Each time he posts a picture it
has been stripped of any and all identifying meta-data due to the fact
that he has been caught posting other people's photo's before. He is
cowardly and plays with his guns and will not meet anyone from the list
for fear of getting his ass kicked due to his acerbic tongue.

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On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:19:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:47:25 -0400, wrote:

The problem with Gitmo is that it is American soil. We either have
laws on American soil or we don't. If we do, we compromised all of
those cases when they finally come to trial.

That is not American soil, it is in Cuba, precisely why we put them
there. This is not an embassy. Gitmo is a particularly ambiguous
place. Legally it is simply leased from Castro, just like a base in
Japan, Germany or Turkey. We actually send them a check every year
that they refuse to cash.
We can even say we are following the laws of Cuba since locking up
political prisoners there is the normal thing to do.
Obama must see the convenient irony too since he has done nothing to
change the situation.

Do you ever get the feeling you're conversing with the plume operating under a nom de plume?

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On 10/2/11 8:25 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlez5OdnXKSL8gCIxrTnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

JustWait wrote:
On 9/30/2011 9:37 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the
absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in
Guantanamo.
No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

How do you know he was guilty? Was he tried and convicted, you silly
crazy *******?

-HB

He doesn't know anything, he is just arguing, like he did when he
called himself Plum, or Paul, or Areal boater, X-man...

What's with the X-Man thing? Is/was he a trans woman?

-HB

He is a shut-in. His "wife" or more correctly landlord keeps him down in
the basement of the house he inhabits. Each time he posts a picture it
has been stripped of any and all identifying meta-data due to the fact
that he has been caught posting other people's photo's before. He is
cowardly and plays with his guns and will not meet anyone from the list
for fear of getting his ass kicked due to his acerbic tongue.


No one fantasizes better than the right-wing trash that pollutes this
newsgroup.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

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On 10/2/11 8:25 AM, BAR wrote:
Each time he posts a picture it
has been stripped of any and all identifying meta-data due to the fact
that he has been caught posting other people's photo's before.


As usual, you are full of ****. I upload my photos to Photobucket.
Photobucket retains some metadata and discards the rest. I don't know
whether there is an option to show more metadata. The info is present
when the photos are uploaded.


--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

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In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
On 9/30/2011 9:37 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the
absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in
Guantanamo.
No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

How do you know he was guilty? Was he tried and convicted, you silly
crazy *******?

-HB

He doesn't know anything, he is just arguing, like he did when he
called himself Plum, or Paul, or Areal boater, X-man...

What's with the X-Man thing? Is/was he a trans woman?

-HB

I think so, he and Suckling Don have a very special relationship....

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In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
On 9/30/2011 9:37 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:41:01 -0400, John
wrote:

Anwar al-Awlaki's killing was absolutely justified, but it shows the
absolute hypocrisy of the Obama
administration and liberals who cried about the terrorists in
Guantanamo.
No, it doesn't.

al Awlaki was guilty. Guantanamo held innocent people as young as 13
years old, which were detained for a ridiculous amount of time and
then released because they were guilty of nothing.

Even Bush couldn't bring to trial a bunch of people that were in the
wrong place at the wrong time. From the guilty, tons of bogus
information was obtained. Few of them really guilty got what was
coming to them. Guantanamo was a huge mess, legally and politically.

How do you know he was guilty? Was he tried and convicted, you silly
crazy *******?

-HB

He doesn't know anything, he is just arguing, like he did when he
called himself Plum, or Paul, or Areal boater, X-man...

What's with the X-Man thing? Is/was he a trans woman?

-HB

He is a shut-in. His "wife" or more correctly landlord keeps him down in
the basement of the house he inhabits. Each time he posts a picture it
has been stripped of any and all identifying meta-data due to the fact
that he has been caught posting other people's photo's before. He is
cowardly and plays with his guns and will not meet anyone from the list
for fear of getting his ass kicked due to his acerbic tongue.

Yeah, it's not like ex-man, because he's always been a spineless coward,
never a man.

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In article ,
says...

On 10/2/11 8:25 AM, BAR wrote:
Each time he posts a picture it
has been stripped of any and all identifying meta-data due to the fact
that he has been caught posting other people's photo's before.


As usual, you are full of ****. I upload my photos to Photobucket.
Photobucket retains some metadata and discards the rest. I don't know
whether there is an option to show more metadata. The info is present
when the photos are uploaded.

Full of ****? Are you saying you haven't been caught posting photos that
you claimed you took, but were done by a pro and were on his website?
Think hard, coward....

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YouDont@NeedToKnow wrote in message
...

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:03:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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This is the heart of the debate in the courts. Gitmo is *not* American
soil. It is Cuban sovereign territory.
The US has practical control as a US Naval Base, technically leased from
Cuba, but it is not American sovereign
territory, therefore by law, US courts have no jurisdiction.

Eisboch

So, your point is that a person committing a crime at Gitmo will be
punished under Cuban Law? Having our cake and eating it, too?

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No, I was simply pointing out an error in your comment that Gitmo is US
territory.
It is not.
The civilian US Court systems do not have jurisdiction there which is why
an attempt was
made to move any trials to somewhere within the USA. The US military has
control and
jurisdiction of legal matters within the military court system at Gitmo.

Eisboch