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Wally-Mart in trouble locally
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says... On 9/13/11 8:03 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... 5. I'd like to see the growing, manufacturing and sale of tobacco products made illegal in this country and made illegal for U.S. companies selling tobacco products abroad. Absent that, I'd like to see another $5 a pack tax imposed against cigarettes and a suitable increase in the tax assessed against cigars, "dip," and similar tobacco products. Have a nice, smoke-free day! You are just like the people at my church who don't like gambling. They went to the parish pastor and told him that Bingo was gambling and that it was a sin and that they wanted the Friday night Bingo stopped. The pastor, a wise Catholic priest, said to them that he would be happy to shut down Bingo every Friday night if they would write a $10,000 check to the church each month. Bingo is still played every Friday night. Alcohol is just as bad as tobacco why not make both illegal? Then you and your buddies who think the same way can then write big fat checks to the local, state and federal governments to cover the lost tax revenue. There are worlds of difference between gambling and smoking and even drinking. You can gamble in moderation, you can drink in moderation, and if you are careful, you aren't going to kill yourself or others. Smoking in moderation will still lead to cancer. Many of my relatives had their lives cut short. They died at an early age, usually in their mid to late 80's instead of into their 90's. Most of them smoked for 50 or 60 years and they drank to excess too. Birth leads to death. The only question is when will death come and how will it come. Your moderate gambling and your moderate drinking (that means, of course, no drinking and driving) aren't going to have any impact on me. Your smoking does...it offends my senses and if I am exposed to enough second-hand smoke, it also presents a health hazard and, of course, once you contract one of the smoking-related cancers, it's going to increase my medical insurance costs. If you do not want to be offended by others you have the choice to stay on your property for your entire life. Because of my union business, I have to go to Las Vegas frequently. I don't gamble, but I'm not offended by the acres of slot machines and card games in every casino. I walk right by them without giving up a quarter. Well, that's not entirely true. I might drop a single quarter in a slot machine, usually at the bloody awful Las Vegas airport. I really don't care about what you like to do and what you don't like to do. I am pleased that smoking in restaurants in Maryland has been banned. It's pleasant to enjoy a meal without having to inhale the stench of cigarettes or cigars. You still miss the point. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
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says... On 9/13/11 12:22 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:42:01 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/12/11 11:00 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:22:35 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/12/11 9:14 PM, wrote: Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. The "fun people" aren't smokers. Smokers smell bad, they pollute the air with their stench, their smoke ruins the taste of food, the smoke sticks to your hair and your clothes *and* it is not healthy. Then why is it so important that you go into a bar that allows smoking? Nobody said allowing a bar owner to allow smoking meant ANY of them have to. Let the bar owner decide who he wants to cater to. 1. It's not important that I go into a bar that allows smoking. I don't go into bars, usually. Many of the restaurants we frequent, however, have bars as part of their facilities. 2. I'm grateful that in Maryland and DC, restaurants and other public facilities and office buildings do not allow smoking. Because of that I don't have to smell the stench of tobacco smoke. Smokers, especially cigarette smokers, smell bad and their residue smells bad. 3. The regs are a bit less stringent in Virginia, but I believe most restaurants do not allow smoking. About the only Virginia restaurants we frequent are in Virginia Beach, and I haven't noticed the stench of tobacco smoke in the restaurants down there for some time. 4. I'd like to see the local sheriffs enforce the anti-litter laws against smokers who toss their cigarette/cigar butts out the windows of their cars, or empty their ashtrays on the street when they are stopped for traffic lights. I see that sort of irresponsible behavior frequently. A few hundred $500 fines assessed every week might help force decent behavior on smokers. I know the sheriffs stop and ticket motorists who toss fast food wrappers and cups out the window. 5. I'd like to see the growing, manufacturing and sale of tobacco products made illegal in this country and made illegal for U.S. companies selling tobacco products abroad. Absent that, I'd like to see another $5 a pack tax imposed against cigarettes and a suitable increase in the tax assessed against cigars, "dip," and similar tobacco products. Have a nice, smoke-free day! Harry, I appreciate your honesty. You just do not like the smell. You are not making outlandish "health" claims that you will die if you smell a little smoke. I only worked at one place where the number of smokers was significant, but that was at the Kansas City Star, and the city room was enormous and well ventilated. I do appreciate though that constant exposure to second hand smoke is a health problem. You can appreciate whatever you want, however, there is no data to prove that second hand smoke causes cancer. If it did my sisters and I would have died from second hand smoke before we reached adulthood. As you point out (and as I did), for me, the problem is...the stench. Taste is a personal choice. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:17:57 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 9/13/11 7:13 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:10:12 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 7:08 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:04 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:17:51 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:51:56 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/13/11 12:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT), North Star wrote: When I worked in an office we were glad when smoking restrictions came along in the 80's. Nothing worse than to have a co-worker at the desk next to yours smoking one after another. It was like heaven...although the 'smokers' got a whole lot more breaks than the non-smokers. I didn't begrudge them at that point. That brings up an interesting question. I wonder how much lost productivity arises from the number of people who are standing outside smoking a cigarette? I know that there seemed to be people who spent as much time outside our office smoking as they did inside. The smoking pit was right outside our window. Some of the guys were happy that it seemed to be the hottest women who smoked. Women who smell like an ashtray are hot? Yup, they just want to have fun No idea what that means.. No doubt. You are probably allergic to fun too. Smoking isn't fun. It's a dirty, filthy, smelly addiction. Along with lip, throat, and lung cancer, not to mention all the other great diseases that come up. I really thought I'd never see another apologetica for smoking. Me either... strange stuff is generated these days from the right wing about "individual" rights and freedoms. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:58:06 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 9/13/11 12:22 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:42:01 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/12/11 11:00 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:22:35 -0400, X ` wrote: On 9/12/11 9:14 PM, wrote: Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. The "fun people" aren't smokers. Smokers smell bad, they pollute the air with their stench, their smoke ruins the taste of food, the smoke sticks to your hair and your clothes *and* it is not healthy. Then why is it so important that you go into a bar that allows smoking? Nobody said allowing a bar owner to allow smoking meant ANY of them have to. Let the bar owner decide who he wants to cater to. 1. It's not important that I go into a bar that allows smoking. I don't go into bars, usually. Many of the restaurants we frequent, however, have bars as part of their facilities. 2. I'm grateful that in Maryland and DC, restaurants and other public facilities and office buildings do not allow smoking. Because of that I don't have to smell the stench of tobacco smoke. Smokers, especially cigarette smokers, smell bad and their residue smells bad. 3. The regs are a bit less stringent in Virginia, but I believe most restaurants do not allow smoking. About the only Virginia restaurants we frequent are in Virginia Beach, and I haven't noticed the stench of tobacco smoke in the restaurants down there for some time. 4. I'd like to see the local sheriffs enforce the anti-litter laws against smokers who toss their cigarette/cigar butts out the windows of their cars, or empty their ashtrays on the street when they are stopped for traffic lights. I see that sort of irresponsible behavior frequently. A few hundred $500 fines assessed every week might help force decent behavior on smokers. I know the sheriffs stop and ticket motorists who toss fast food wrappers and cups out the window. 5. I'd like to see the growing, manufacturing and sale of tobacco products made illegal in this country and made illegal for U.S. companies selling tobacco products abroad. Absent that, I'd like to see another $5 a pack tax imposed against cigarettes and a suitable increase in the tax assessed against cigars, "dip," and similar tobacco products. Have a nice, smoke-free day! Harry, I appreciate your honesty. You just do not like the smell. You are not making outlandish "health" claims that you will die if you smell a little smoke. I only worked at one place where the number of smokers was significant, but that was at the Kansas City Star, and the city room was enormous and well ventilated. I do appreciate though that constant exposure to second hand smoke is a health problem. You can appreciate whatever you want, however, there is no data to prove that second hand smoke causes cancer. If it did my sisters and I would have died from second hand smoke before we reached adulthood. As you point out (and as I did), for me, the problem is...the stench. Taste is a personal choice. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...et/Tobacco/ETS http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/secondhandsmoke.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/s...oke.html#cat22 Of course, these are GOVERNMENT institutions, so according to the teabaggers, wrong or suspect and part of an Obama plot to take over their brains (as if they had any to be worried about). |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:49:05 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article om, says... On 9/13/2011 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. If you got em Bert, smoke em. No skin off my teeth. Being a reformed smoker has saved me tons of money, eliminated a lot of anxiety, cleared up my smokers cough, made my house look and smell better, eliminated peer pressures to stop, freed up my time to do FUN things. If you are thinking of quitting, do it for yourself not for the pussys that expect the government to meddle in your private affairs. You never see the pussys asking someone to put out their smokes because they are bothered by it. Better and safer for them to get the government to do it for them. Eh Krause/Plume I quit smoking 9 years ago. Just got tired of it after smoking for 29 years. I spent 7 years skydiving, it was the best 7 years of my life. Skydiving, drinking and chasing women all over the DZ. You sound like a case study in stupid, reckless behavior. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/11 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:49:05 -0400, wrote: In raweb.com, says... On 9/13/2011 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. If you got em Bert, smoke em. No skin off my teeth. Being a reformed smoker has saved me tons of money, eliminated a lot of anxiety, cleared up my smokers cough, made my house look and smell better, eliminated peer pressures to stop, freed up my time to do FUN things. If you are thinking of quitting, do it for yourself not for the pussys that expect the government to meddle in your private affairs. You never see the pussys asking someone to put out their smokes because they are bothered by it. Better and safer for them to get the government to do it for them. Eh Krause/Plume I quit smoking 9 years ago. Just got tired of it after smoking for 29 years. I spent 7 years skydiving, it was the best 7 years of my life. Skydiving, drinking and chasing women all over the DZ. You sound like a case study in stupid, reckless behavior. 29 years of smoking probably means his wife will be a widow before her time. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
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Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/11 7:46 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleR5GdnR9K0vwK2PLTnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@earthlink .com, says... On 9/13/11 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. Gotta love the rationalizations of the simple-minded. I watched my great-grandmother sit in a chair in my grandmother's living room for 15 years. She watched TV, ate and slept. I don't think she was doing much more five years before we moved back east. So, for 20 years she watched TV all day long and didn't do much else. Is that how you want to spend your years from 80 to 100? There's no reason to believe your familial experience is *the* pattern for all older people. I know a few guys well into their 80's who are actively involved in intellectually complicated "mover and shaker" tasks that would be beyond the abilities of many half their age. Neither of them are "smokers." I had a relative who died at 99 after a long, healthy, active life, and she was sharp as a tack until the very end. Hey, it's perfectly ok with me if you prefer to die young. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
Wally-Mart in trouble locally
On 9/13/2011 8:43 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/13/11 8:36 PM, wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:49:05 -0400, wrote: In raweb.com, says... On 9/13/2011 7:55 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:59:07 -0700, wrote: The same technology? You want to mandate restaurants to have a glassed in section with it's own air system?? If they did, would you be happy? I thought not. They have even offered to have two separate buildings, with the same food and the same ambiance ... nope. not good enough. Self absorbed non smokers demand access to both buildings because they think they are missing something. Yes they are ... the fun people. I was just at a party in a restaurant. After eating we smokers all went outside for a smoke. Some non-smokers tagged along to avoid boredom. Left about 2/3 of the party sitting there twiddling their thumbs. They sat in dumb silence until we got back. Then the party resumed. Anti-smokers are often a sad lot. Walk around all their lives with a stick up their ass just to live a few more years of their uptight misery. Pretty sad. Some are okay. They usually do other drugs. My argument all along. A longer life expectancy is the reward for a dull, very dull life. If you got em Bert, smoke em. No skin off my teeth. Being a reformed smoker has saved me tons of money, eliminated a lot of anxiety, cleared up my smokers cough, made my house look and smell better, eliminated peer pressures to stop, freed up my time to do FUN things. If you are thinking of quitting, do it for yourself not for the pussys that expect the government to meddle in your private affairs. You never see the pussys asking someone to put out their smokes because they are bothered by it. Better and safer for them to get the government to do it for them. Eh Krause/Plume I quit smoking 9 years ago. Just got tired of it after smoking for 29 years. I spent 7 years skydiving, it was the best 7 years of my life. Skydiving, drinking and chasing women all over the DZ. You sound like a case study in stupid, reckless behavior. 29 years of smoking probably means his wife will be a widow before her time. Like yours. Maybe they can compare notes |
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