On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 22:35:51 -0500, "
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:44:46 -0500, "BUZZKILL" wrote:



"iBoatMore" wrote in message
...
In article 8f6daa0d-8027-49b4-876a-cc12ba07e295
@q2g2000vbz.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 31, 7:55 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
If our elected reps would stop handing out taxpayer dollars,
that would be a big help.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"LilAbner"
wrote in ...

No racism involved but the problem with Mexican Illegal
Aliens is very bad.
Most are here to just live off or our welfare and whatever
jobs they can
get.

All it would take would be to prosecute employers of illegal
immigrants.
As it doesn't happen, clearly your government actually wants them to
be there.

Why not prosecute the "ILLEGAL" immigrants?

Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

Because prosecuting illegals would be an impossible task.


And under current law...prosecuting most of the employers is an
impossible task.

I work in manufacturing. I repair machinery in machine shops all over
Sot. California.

Ive seen shops stocked to the gills....60-80 people...all shareing 20 SS
numbers. And the employers have no recourse to checking them out.

Gunner

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 01:01:52 -0400, LilAbner wrote:

On 9/1/2011 11:47 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-09-02, wrote:

Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

You've nailed the heart of it, the employers.

Rich ppl need dirt cheap labor to remain rich. Some things can't be
offshored. You think they're gonna pay $20-25 hr for white native
labor, to build a house (trades), when IAs will work for less than the
prevailing 1975 wage? You think rich ppl who dump tons of money into
political election coffers are gonna vote to eliminate this cheap
source of labor!?

Silly you.

nb
If they knew how the Mexican built houses they wouldn't buy them.
apparently they don't know what a square and ruler are. These firms have
them nail pieces of wood together and then whn it is up they bring in
one of two guys to go back and square up openings enough for doors and
windows to fit. There may be more than one nail in a two by four.
A Relative lives in a golf course community. their house is about 6
years old. Theirs and everybody else's brick facades and wall corners
and foundations are cracking, seperating etc. near half a million
dollars for shiny new mcmansions that are falling apart. The former
southern standard building codes were at least good enough that the
house had aa chance of surviving until the mortgage was paid.


actually...Ive seen a rather large amount of very very good building
done by illegals. Craftsmen in their own countries..they come here for
good money and education for their kids. Over the border...not through
the legal channels.

So claiming that they are all skillless buffoons really isnt a
legitimate bitch.

Nor is the fact they work damned cheaply..forcing out blacks and whites
who simply cannot live in group settings or wont live in crappy
apartments.

The problem is..not that they are not skilled craftsmen, or good hard
workers..the problem is that they are illegal. And they bring in their
families..and those families bring in THEIR families..and pretty soon a
bunch of them are collecting welfare and medical aid..and free
educations. All at the taxpayers expense. And a skilled craftsman and
his wife..and 4-8 kids..cannot pay enough taxes to pay back the medical
and educational loads they place on the rest of the taxpayers.

Gunner

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 22:01:40 -0400, LilAbner wrote:

On 8/31/2011 1:22 PM, Just Me wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:32 am, wrote:
On 8/31/2011 10:45 AM, walt tonne wrote:







On Aug 31, 1:56 am, wrote:
On 8/30/2011 10:59 PM, Matt Casey wrote:

Latino group claims Aztl n war in next five years

Phoenix-based Nuestros Reconquistos claims that there will be a war
very similar to the Civil War fought in the next five years. La Raza
and MEChA have already talked to Latinos and Phoenix and explained
that Latinos need to arm themselves for war, says Nuestros
Reconquistos President Manuel Longoria.

Cecilia Maldonado of Chicanos Unidos Arizona isn t hoping for any sort
of war, but believes it may be unavoidable. For generations, our
people have prepared us to take back the lands of the Southwest that
were stolen from our Mexican ancestors. Because of the bad economy and
many racist laws, Latinos will be forced to fight sooner than later,
says Mrs. Maldonado.

Latino groups believe they have enough people in states such as
California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas to successfully
wage a war on the United States. Who s side will you be on?

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Non-Hispanics can't say that they
weren't warned. We know where the White House stands on this issue --
clearly with the illegal aliens, Mexico, and Nuestros Reconquistos.
It's not that Americans in the interior states couldn't cut off water to
the states mentioned, turning them into unlivable areas much like the
desert regions of North Africa, Namibia, and Mongolia. A few airstrikes
by non-Hispanics on power plants and damns would make the Southwest into
a desert unfit for human habitation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A total race war would eliminate so many problems! You have been
issued your uniform, the color of your skin. Bring it on!!!!

enemy identification site:

http://www.newnation.org/ New Nation News

No racism involved but the problem with Mexican Illegal Aliens is very bad.
Most are here to just live off or our welfare and whatever jobs they can
get. All it would take is a little more instigation by the groups, in
the article to get many of them to take up arms or start terrorism in
America. All that I've encountered are sympathetic to La Raza etc.
Washington/Wall Street doesn't recognize a problem. They see votes and
maybe the North America Union as their outcome of choice.
I don't remember the year but conversation with a Sheriff of a County a
little ways from here, they had over 10,000 outstanding warrants for
illegal Alien Mexicans. They would have jailed an American Citizen but
because of Washington and their rules they had to let them go with a
promise to appear in court. They simply changed identities or vanished
to another state or Mexico. I was asked to assist in getting help with
the Illegal Alien problem in one county the result was more or less a
community center for Illegal Aliens working in the carpet industry instead.
Most fuel stops and convenience stores and other business, on exits from
the Interstates and metropolitan areas have their bathroom doors marked
with Mexican gang symbols or slogans. They have laid out their drug
distribution networks and communication networks and underground
railroad, if you will, all over the Country.
Southern California and new Mexico are defacto Mexican States.
Washington/Wall Street is either asleep or complicit.
Their concerns are apparently not Americans and the Republic.
Back Door Amnesty and energizing the Illegal Alien Invasion is their
policy as is legal Immigration by several nationalities that are Muslim.
It is a receipt for the destruction of America.
Get ready for the terrorism that Mexico is exporting.

No racism involved
Usually means I'm a racist SOB but can't admit it

Most are here to just live off or our welfare
BS, while there may be some just mooching most are hard work
people just trying to make a living.

I have a question to all you people that **** and bitch about the
people that come from Mexico and south looking for work,I have asked
it of many people and nobody has bothered to answer it..... the
question is
How many of you are willing to leave your home and walk/hitch or
jump freight trains to a place 100's or maybe 1000's of miles away,a
place where you may not know anybody, a place where you don't speak
the language just on the off chance of finding employment,any
employment. I have not met a single person willing to do
that,including personal friends who have been down and unemployed,I
have even offered work,but that meant moving a long way away, so until
you are willing to drop everything and move international on the maybe
of a job then Shut The **** Up. And before you go off on a rant, I
have done it, several times,granted I chose a place where I speak the
local lingo but aside from that I knew nobody and had no employment
lined up,just figured it may be an improvement on where I was.



I feel for everyone in life's struggles. The problem is we are not
taking care of our own Citizens but many expect us to take on Mexico or
the World's Citizens welfare.
The second part of their empathy is that we are not righteous unless we
give what we have and take on the level o poverty that Mexico has, in
this case. There is plenty of money in Mexico. It is concentrated in the
hand of a very few. The system has not changed no is likely too.
Evidently some in our Country and globally like the system where most
are Peasants.
They will have to tackle their own Government and corruption and the
Narco Gangster war that seems to be institutionalizing down there.
Trying to blame their problems on us is ridiculous. Most Americans
reject this nonsense.
They have much of what was our manufacturing base down there now. Why
aren't the peasants prospering?
Overcrowding means higher prices, taxes, unrest, restriction of
freedoms, and just what we are experiencing now.
Our house is full. There is no more room at the table.
They want us take food from our plates, to kick our children away from
the table and kick them out of their beds and give it to them.
Now they are talking about armed take over not just conquest by
occupation. Washington is complicit in the destruction, of our economy
and society in this. Where do Mexican Nationals sign up to vote for our
President and Congress?
I reject the global socialism notion that "Americans have had it too
easy for too long. Americans are going to have to learn to pay a lot
more for a lot less."and give up sovereignty, freedoms our Children and
republic's future. That is exactly what they and their Multicultural
socialist nightmare is doing.

Mexico has a very large...very large middle class. Well educated, good
jobs, families, their own homes and so forth. The people that come up
to Unidos Estadas are the rurals from small villages, with little
education, and a very small chance of becoming middle class in Mexico.

Mexico is NOT a classless society in the slightest regards

Gunner

On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:47:13 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Sep 1, 3:44*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 31, 10:01*pm, LilAbner wrote:





On 8/31/2011 1:22 PM, Just Me wrote:

On Aug 31, 9:32 am, *wrote:
On 8/31/2011 10:45 AM, walt tonne wrote:

On Aug 31, 1:56 am, * *wrote:
On 8/30/2011 10:59 PM, Matt Casey wrote:

Latino group claims Aztl n war in next five years

Phoenix-based Nuestros Reconquistos claims that there will be a war
very similar to the Civil War fought in the next five years. La Raza
and MEChA have already talked to Latinos and Phoenix and explained
that Latinos need to arm themselves for war, says Nuestros
Reconquistos President Manuel Longoria.

Cecilia Maldonado of Chicanos Unidos Arizona isn t hoping for any sort
of war, but believes it may be unavoidable. For generations, our
people have prepared us to take back the lands of the Southwest that
were stolen from our Mexican ancestors. Because of the bad economy and
many racist laws, Latinos will be forced to fight sooner than later,
says Mrs. Maldonado.

Latino groups believe they have enough people in states such as
California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas to successfully
wage a war on the United States. *Who s side will you be on?

Fascinating. *Thanks for sharing. *Non-Hispanics can't say that they
weren't warned. *We know where the White House stands on this issue --
clearly with the illegal aliens, Mexico, and Nuestros Reconquistos.
It's not that Americans in the interior states couldn't cut off water to
the states mentioned, turning them into unlivable areas much like the
desert regions of North Africa, Namibia, and Mongolia. *A few airstrikes
by non-Hispanics on power plants and damns would make the Southwest into
a desert unfit for human habitation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A total race war would eliminate so many problems! You have been
issued your uniform, the color of your skin. Bring it on!!!!

enemy identification site:

http://www.newnation.org/NewNation News

No racism involved but the problem with Mexican Illegal Aliens is very bad.
Most are here to just live off or our welfare and whatever jobs they can
get. All it would take is a little more instigation by the groups, in
the article to get many of them to take up arms or start terrorism in
America. All that I've encountered are sympathetic to La Raza etc.
Washington/Wall Street doesn't recognize a problem. They see votes and
maybe the North America Union as their outcome of choice.
I don't remember the year but conversation with a Sheriff of a County a
little ways from here, they had over 10,000 outstanding warrants for
illegal Alien Mexicans. They would have jailed an American Citizen but
because of Washington and their rules they had to let them go with a
promise to appear in court. They simply changed identities or vanished
to another state or Mexico. I was asked to assist in getting help with
the Illegal Alien problem in one county the result was more or less a
community center for Illegal Aliens working in the carpet industry instead.
Most fuel stops and convenience stores and other business, on exits from
the Interstates and metropolitan areas have their bathroom doors marked
with Mexican gang symbols or slogans. They have laid out their drug
distribution networks and communication networks and underground
railroad, if you will, all over the Country.
Southern California and new Mexico are defacto Mexican States.
Washington/Wall Street is either asleep or complicit.
Their concerns are apparently not Americans and the Republic.
Back Door Amnesty and energizing the Illegal Alien Invasion is their
policy as is legal Immigration by several nationalities that are Muslim.
It is a receipt for the destruction of America.
Get ready for the terrorism that Mexico is exporting.

No racism involved
* * Usually means I'm a racist SOB but can't admit it

Most are here to just live off or our welfare
* * *BS, while there may be some just mooching most are hard work
people just trying to make a living.

I have a question to all you people that **** and bitch about the
people that come from Mexico and south looking for work,I have asked
it of many people and nobody has bothered to answer it..... the
question is
* *How many of you are willing to leave your home and walk/hitch or
jump freight trains to a place 100's or maybe 1000's of miles away,a
place where you may not know anybody, a place where you don't speak
the language just on the off chance of finding employment,any
employment. I have not met a single person willing to do
that,including personal friends who have been down and unemployed,I
have even offered work,but that meant moving a long way away, so until
you are willing to drop everything and move international on the maybe
of a job then Shut The **** Up. *And before you go off on a rant, *I
have done it, several times,granted I chose a place where I speak the
local lingo but aside from that I knew nobody and had no employment
lined up,just figured it may be an improvement on where I was.

I feel for everyone in life's struggles. The problem is we are not
taking care of our own Citizens but many expect us to take on Mexico or
the World's Citizens welfare.
The second part of their empathy is that we are not righteous unless we
give what we have and take on the level o poverty that Mexico has, in
this case. There is plenty of money in Mexico. It is concentrated in the
hand of a very few. The system has not changed no is likely too.
Evidently some in our Country and globally like the system where most
are Peasants.
They will have to tackle their own Government and corruption and the
Narco Gangster war that seems to be institutionalizing down there.
Trying to blame their problems on us is ridiculous. Most Americans
reject this nonsense.
They have much of what was our manufacturing base down there now. Why
aren't the peasants prospering?
Overcrowding means higher prices, taxes, unrest, restriction of
freedoms, and just what we are experiencing now.
Our house is full. There is no more room at the table.
They want us take food from our plates, to kick our children away from
the table and kick them out of their beds and give it to them.
Now they are talking about armed take over not just conquest by
occupation. Washington is complicit in the destruction, of our economy
and society in this. Where do Mexican Nationals sign up to vote for our
President and Congress?
I reject the global socialism notion that "Americans have had it too
easy for too long. Americans are going to have to learn to pay a lot
more for a lot less."and give up sovereignty, freedoms our Children and
republic's future. That is exactly what they and their Multicultural
socialist nightmare is doing.

I get tired of the USA being blamed for Mexico's social problems.
When you look at the richness of Mexico's resources and the fact that
there are many educated Mexicans, then you realize that every Mexican
should be doing very well. *They are the second exporter of oil to the
USA (after Canada), copious mineral resources, a population motivated
o work hard adjacent to a nation that needs them to do assembly
work............yet, somehow every Mexican is dirt poor. *This does
not compute, something is wrong.
Why can't Mexicans borrow money to build houses but instead come to
the USA to earn enough to pay cash?
Where does the money from Pemex (the nationalized Mexican oil company)
go?
Every time I have been to Mexico (a lot of times) the casual
corruption is overwhelming and it permeates all of society.
Mexicans seem to have no social mobility and they tell me of racism
between descendents of the Spanish and Mayans.
Mexico has their own immigration problem of people from Honduras, etc
trying o go north cuz Mexico is better than their homes.
Mexico needs to stop blaming the USA for their own social problems and
begin to consider why their best and brightest want to come north.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Simple. Mexican society and government is being destroyed by the US
drug traffic.

Well...maybe the Governments POWER is...but the drug trafficing is
making a goodly portion of the Mexican populatin rich. Even the drug
kingpins hire their own people to wash their cars, maintain their
ranchos and so forth..and the money flows from their hands into the
economy. Which....is one of the big reasons the attempts on them by the
Mexican government..is so lame, weak and so easily deflected. The People
around the drug lords protect them. Its their golden goose.

On 9/2/2011 1:01 AM, LilAbner wrote:
On 9/1/2011 11:47 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-09-02, wrote:

Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

You've nailed the heart of it, the employers.

Rich ppl need dirt cheap labor to remain rich. Some things can't be
offshored. You think they're gonna pay $20-25 hr for white native
labor, to build a house (trades), when IAs will work for less than the
prevailing 1975 wage? You think rich ppl who dump tons of money into
political election coffers are gonna vote to eliminate this cheap
source of labor!?

Silly you.

nb
If they knew how the Mexican built houses they wouldn't buy them.
apparently they don't know what a square and ruler are. These firms have
them nail pieces of wood together and then whn it is up they bring in
one of two guys to go back and square up openings enough for doors and
windows to fit. There may be more than one nail in a two by four.
A Relative lives in a golf course community. their house is about 6
years old. Theirs and everybody else's brick facades and wall corners
and foundations are cracking, seperating etc. near half a million
dollars for shiny new mcmansions that are falling apart. The former
southern standard building codes were at least good enough that the
house had aa chance of surviving until the mortgage was paid.


Them damn xicans can set a whole houseful of tile with 2 bags of
thinset.Ask me how I know.

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:49:11 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 22:35:51 -0500, "
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:44:46 -0500, "BUZZKILL" wrote:



"iBoatMore" wrote in message
...
In article 8f6daa0d-8027-49b4-876a-cc12ba07e295
@q2g2000vbz.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 31, 7:55 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
If our elected reps would stop handing out taxpayer dollars,
that would be a big help.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"LilAbner"
wrote in ...

No racism involved but the problem with Mexican Illegal
Aliens is very bad.
Most are here to just live off or our welfare and whatever
jobs they can
get.

All it would take would be to prosecute employers of illegal
immigrants.
As it doesn't happen, clearly your government actually wants them to
be there.

Why not prosecute the "ILLEGAL" immigrants?

Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

Because prosecuting illegals would be an impossible task.


And under current law...prosecuting most of the employers is an
impossible task.

Under the current administration, finding a job is an impossible task. So?

I work in manufacturing. I repair machinery in machine shops all over
Sot. California.

Ive seen shops stocked to the gills....60-80 people...all shareing 20 SS
numbers. And the employers have no recourse to checking them out.

If they have no recourse, why haven't they?

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:48:47 -0500, "
wrote:


Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

Because prosecuting illegals would be an impossible task.


And under current law...prosecuting most of the employers is an
impossible task.

Under the current administration, finding a job is an impossible task. So?

Only if one sits on ones ass and tries to find a job similar to the one
one just lost. I know quite a number of people who have started their
own businesses in the last year..and are doing Ok.

I work in manufacturing. I repair machinery in machine shops all over
Sot. California.

Ive seen shops stocked to the gills....60-80 people...all shareing 20 SS
numbers. And the employers have no recourse to checking them out.

If they have no recourse, why haven't they?

Because they had no recourse in checking them out.

You arent very smart..are you?

Gunner

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 11:05:41 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:48:47 -0500, "
wrote:


Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

Because prosecuting illegals would be an impossible task.


And under current law...prosecuting most of the employers is an
impossible task.

Under the current administration, finding a job is an impossible task. So?

Only if one sits on ones ass and tries to find a job similar to the one
one just lost. I know quite a number of people who have started their
own businesses in the last year..and are doing Ok.

I work in manufacturing. I repair machinery in machine shops all over
Sot. California.

Ive seen shops stocked to the gills....60-80 people...all shareing 20 SS
numbers. And the employers have no recourse to checking them out.

If they have no recourse, why haven't they?

Because they had no recourse in checking them out.

Balloney. SSNs are trivial to check.

You arent very smart..are you?

You're not making any sense Gunner.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 14:23:08 -0500, "
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 11:05:41 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:48:47 -0500, "
wrote:


Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

Because prosecuting illegals would be an impossible task.


And under current law...prosecuting most of the employers is an
impossible task.

Under the current administration, finding a job is an impossible task. So?

Only if one sits on ones ass and tries to find a job similar to the one
one just lost. I know quite a number of people who have started their
own businesses in the last year..and are doing Ok.

I work in manufacturing. I repair machinery in machine shops all over
Sot. California.

Ive seen shops stocked to the gills....60-80 people...all shareing 20 SS
numbers. And the employers have no recourse to checking them out.

If they have no recourse, why haven't they?

Because they had no recourse in checking them out.

Balloney. SSNs are trivial to check.

You arent very smart..are you?

You're not making any sense Gunner.

Lets say we have a business where 50 people share 15 SS numbers.

We call the hotline and are told its a valid number.
Lets say we manage to find out who it belongs to..and its none of those
50 people.
Its ILLEGAL to fire them for this. When you discuss it with them and
discuss your concerns...they simply get a puzzled look on their faces
and say..they will check into it..perhaps they were wrong and will check
at home with their paperwork.

That night..they go down to McCarther Park, and buy a New SS card for
$25 and bring it back to work the next day and they show it to you..and
you enter it...and all is good until the goverment sends you a letter
in 2-4 yrs about that bad number....and then they go through the same
cycle again..and again..and again.

Ive seen it in at least 10 shops here in So Cal. Management finally gave
up and simply changed the numbers to whatever they were given
periodicly. After all..the people were making them money..werent
causing them any problems ..and they WERE following the movements
provided by law.

Shrug

Gunner

On 9/2/2011 2:55 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 01:01:52 -0400, wrote:

On 9/1/2011 11:47 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-09-02, wrote:

Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

You've nailed the heart of it, the employers.

Rich ppl need dirt cheap labor to remain rich. Some things can't be
offshored. You think they're gonna pay $20-25 hr for white native
labor, to build a house (trades), when IAs will work for less than the
prevailing 1975 wage? You think rich ppl who dump tons of money into
political election coffers are gonna vote to eliminate this cheap
source of labor!?

Silly you.

nb
If they knew how the Mexican built houses they wouldn't buy them.
apparently they don't know what a square and ruler are. These firms have
them nail pieces of wood together and then whn it is up they bring in
one of two guys to go back and square up openings enough for doors and
windows to fit. There may be more than one nail in a two by four.
A Relative lives in a golf course community. their house is about 6
years old. Theirs and everybody else's brick facades and wall corners
and foundations are cracking, seperating etc. near half a million
dollars for shiny new mcmansions that are falling apart. The former
southern standard building codes were at least good enough that the
house had aa chance of surviving until the mortgage was paid.


actually...Ive seen a rather large amount of very very good building
done by illegals. Craftsmen in their own countries..they come here for
good money and education for their kids. Over the border...not through
the legal channels.

So claiming that they are all skillless buffoons really isnt a
legitimate bitch.

Nor is the fact they work damned cheaply..forcing out blacks and whites
who simply cannot live in group settings or wont live in crappy
apartments.

The problem is..not that they are not skilled craftsmen, or good hard
workers..the problem is that they are illegal. And they bring in their
families..and those families bring in THEIR families..and pretty soon a
bunch of them are collecting welfare and medical aid..and free
educations. All at the taxpayers expense. And a skilled craftsman and
his wife..and 4-8 kids..cannot pay enough taxes to pay back the medical
and educational loads they place on the rest of the taxpayers.

Gunner

There are exceptions. Who knows how bit that number is but what I stated
is fact. They get a house or buch of them in just a few days. Then a
crew of a few come back and and square up some of the critical angles
and openings. The houses are falling apart all over the Country.
The interiors finishing work are usually more solid as they are required
to be done by craftsmen; Americans.