On 8/16/2011 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:56:02 -0400, X ~
wrote:

On 8/16/11 4:54 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:34:28 -0400, wrote:

On 8/16/2011 2:11 PM, X ~ Man wrote:
TITUSVILLLE — Hundreds lined Max Brewer Bridge on Monday evening to drop
flower petals in honor of 16-year-old Courtney Nash, who died Saturday
from a rare amoebic infection contracted after swimming in the St. Johns
River.

Schoolmates, friends and entire families stopped to pay tribute to the
girl as they crowded on one side of the bridge.

Many wore T-shirts in memory of Nash. "R.I.P. CJN," read one. "I love
you, Courtney," read another.

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One wonders if flajim had been swimming in that river earlier...
One of the first things you will be told on The Savannah River is to not
touch the water. They wear rubber gloves when docking or undocking.
You can watch railroad tanker cars being cleaned with steam and the
discharge running down the rocks and into the river a little above the
island and a short ways to the ocean. The water stinks but there is
still fish in it.
The Dolphins won't come much beyond the island. I think it is because of
the pollution. If they knew what they were in I'm sure they wouldn't
come near the river at all.
There are many rivers in bad shape. The one I use to fish, just about
every evening, most of the mussels died at least one year. You could see
what appeared to be marshmallows floating all over the water. It was
dead mussels out of their shells.
I found one big mussel shell and it was paper thin years ago. The
biggest ones now, where there are any are about the size of your thumb.
One year when we came back in there was stuff all over the water. It was
hell cleaning the boat. It was human feces. they found a lot of syringes
and stuff that year. The little nooks and slack areas of the lakes are
full of every conceivable piece of plastic, garbage, old tires, tampons,
and you name it.

Well, I'll have to admit that even with all its problems (including the f**king swans), the
Chesapeake isn't quite that bad.

Herring lets his grandchildren swim in the Potomac, *downstream* from a
major sewage plant.

I remember shortly after they did the "Lady Bird" renovations to Blue
Plains they had the manager on TV and he scooped up a cup of the
effluent water and drank it.
They were saying the water below Blue Plains was cleaner than the
water up stream.


We had a little burst of E-coli coming down the Caloosahatchee last
week but it cleared up

http://esetappsdoh.doh.state.fl.us/i...spx?county=Lee

I do water samples in the Estero River and if people knew the numbers
they wouldn't want to touch it in February when the snowbirds are here
I was familiar with testing that was done on -- river. Numbers looked
really bad. They were told the test were not right and to re do the test
until they got real numbers. That is not the exact language.
The orders areto serve the Political leadership. Do your job and lose
it. the law is what the politician says it is not what is on the book.
civil Service was valuable in that it kept that from happening many many
times.

On 8/16/2011 10:25 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:05:04 -0400, wrote:

On 8/16/2011 8:29 PM, wrote:

I remember shortly after they did the "Lady Bird" renovations to Blue
Plains they had the manager on TV and he scooped up a cup of the
effluent water and drank it.
They were saying the water below Blue Plains was cleaner than the
water up stream.


We had a little burst of E-coli coming down the Caloosahatchee last
week but it cleared up

http://esetappsdoh.doh.state.fl.us/i...spx?county=Lee

I do water samples in the Estero River and if people knew the numbers
they wouldn't want to touch it in February when the snowbirds are here
I was familiar with testing that was done on -- river. Numbers looked
really bad. They were told the test were not right and to re do the test
until they got real numbers. That is not the exact language.
The orders areto serve the Political leadership. Do your job and lose
it. the law is what the politician says it is not what is on the book.
civil Service was valuable in that it kept that from happening many many
times.

That is one reason why the data we collect is fairly pure. We do not
report to anyone in the government and the people we do work with in
DEP do their damnedest not to get caught up in political fights. They
really discourage broadcasting the data we collect officially and
allowing it to be used for going after polluters ... but that doesn't
stop us from collecting "other" data sets that can be used to ring the
alarm bell.

The official data is really meant to be a scientific history source,
not anything that is in real time. Although we can get our snapshots
from the labs fairly quickly, it does not get published for quite a
while and it is usually defining trends and projections. I doubt most
politicians even know we exist.
I don't have a feel for the in and outs of it. But Policy comes before
mandate or law apparently. The Politician probably has no idea who is
involved but if the numbers don't match their policy or agenda than
well.**** flows down hill. Political appointees are there for a reason.