On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:50:58 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:46:48 -0400, L G
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:12:32 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:20:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:51:24 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote:

FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.
I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that
is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to
Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US.
Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total.

My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything
near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is
getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at
USPS.
So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??
It sure looks that way
Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks."

Actually it is worse. I looked around a little and the best I can tell
we are still working under a Universal Postal Union treaty from 1991
where we collect postage for international shipments going out of the
country and people shipping into the country collect the postage on
that end. The receiving country carries the package internally for
free. The assumption is it will all come out in the wash.


We know the USPS has a significant charge for outgoing international
mail but it is unclear the chinese pay anything to ship things here.

Most Chinese merchandise is shipped by shipping containers. The USPS
would cost too much.

This stuff comes in too fast to be on a ship. When you get a China
shipment that says "30-40 days" that will come in a COSCO container. I
am guessing this comes in the belly of a China Air passenger plane.
I got the disk enclosure in about 8-10 days from Hong Kong.
It ends up being dumped into the USPS at the first available sorting
center from what I can tell. They carry it free from there to your
house.

If I see my post master again soon I will ask her about this. She
shops at the same Publix I do

You don't need to ask. LG is an idiot. Almost everything that's small
and individually mailed in China (or most countries for that matter)
comes by air.. even stuff from Mexico and Canada.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:11:06 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:26:20 -0700, wrote:

So, you're denying that Bush I did it before him, and Reagan before
that? It might have started in 1979, but it was renewed by both of
those presidents prior to Clinton.

I agree that Reagan caved on China MFN after Carter granted it and
Bush 41,42, 43 and 44 also followed in his footsteps. It was only Bush
42 that railed against it in his campaign tho.

Politicians say lots of things, including "read my lips, no new
taxes." But, it's mostly just talk.

On 13/08/2011 9:44 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:43:36 -0400, L
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:31:53 -0400, X -
wrote:

On 8/11/11 10:51 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??
What do you care? Almost everything you buy likely is made in the
communist people's republic of china.
Almost everything everyone buys was made in some slave wage country.
Sometimes they will use the dodge "assembled in the USA" but that just
means they put it in the box here.
I'm pretty sure the FTC won't allow that. There may be a loophole if
the parts were made in North America due to NAFTA.


Not true at all. That is why you have to read exactly what it says. I
am not sure what the threshold is but it is very hard to find anything
that has 100% US content.

We had another case here with fruit. A Bonita/Naples orange packing
house was putting imported oranges in their boxes that said "packed in
Bonita Springs Florida" and the last I heard, there was nothing anyone
could do about it. It was up to the grocery store managers to actually
read the invoices (that had the correct country of origin) and label
them properly in the store. If you just saw the box, you would never
know they were imported.

The repackaging BS goes on everywhere. I know of a major tool
manufacturer that gets the tools in bulk from China and plastic raw
stock from China, molds the plastic container saying "Made in USA" and
then puts the Chinese made tools inside and has done so for a decade.
Yep, American workers stuffing the boxes too. Ethically deceptive but
if you challenged them in court, they would say the case was made in the
USA.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On Aug 14, 2:00*am, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:11:06 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:26:20 -0700, wrote:

So, you're denying that Bush I did it before him, and Reagan before
that? It might have started in 1979, but it was renewed by both of
those presidents prior to Clinton.

I agree that Reagan caved on China MFN after Carter granted it and
Bush 41,42, 43 and 44 also followed in his footsteps. It was only Bush
42 that railed against it in his campaign tho.

Politicians say lots of things, including "read my lips, no new
taxes." But, it's mostly just talk.

Yes, it's mostly talk. Like Obama's promises.

On 14/08/2011 10:58 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Aug 14, 2:00 am, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:11:06 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:26:20 -0700, wrote:

So, you're denying that Bush I did it before him, and Reagan before
that? It might have started in 1979, but it was renewed by both of
those presidents prior to Clinton.

I agree that Reagan caved on China MFN after Carter granted it and
Bush 41,42, 43 and 44 also followed in his footsteps. It was only Bush
42 that railed against it in his campaign tho.

Politicians say lots of things, including "read my lips, no new
taxes." But, it's mostly just talk.

Yes, it's mostly talk. Like Obama's promises.

Obama's opposition is going to have a field day with Obama's broken
promises.
--
Flea party (left) fear, begets fleaparty smear.

On 8/14/11 4:46 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 14/08/2011 10:58 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Aug 14, 2:00 am, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:11:06 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:26:20 -0700, wrote:

So, you're denying that Bush I did it before him, and Reagan before
that? It might have started in 1979, but it was renewed by both of
those presidents prior to Clinton.

I agree that Reagan caved on China MFN after Carter granted it and
Bush 41,42, 43 and 44 also followed in his footsteps. It was only Bush
42 that railed against it in his campaign tho.

Politicians say lots of things, including "read my lips, no new
taxes." But, it's mostly just talk.

Yes, it's mostly talk. Like Obama's promises.

Obama's opposition is going to have a field day with Obama's broken
promises.


The morons who are lining up to run against him? They have more
skeletons in their closets than a Halloween novelties store.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:51:25 -0400, X ~ Man
wrote:

On 8/14/11 4:46 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 14/08/2011 10:58 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Aug 14, 2:00 am, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:11:06 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:26:20 -0700, wrote:

So, you're denying that Bush I did it before him, and Reagan before
that? It might have started in 1979, but it was renewed by both of
those presidents prior to Clinton.

I agree that Reagan caved on China MFN after Carter granted it and
Bush 41,42, 43 and 44 also followed in his footsteps. It was only Bush
42 that railed against it in his campaign tho.

Politicians say lots of things, including "read my lips, no new
taxes." But, it's mostly just talk.

Yes, it's mostly talk. Like Obama's promises.

Obama's opposition is going to have a field day with Obama's broken
promises.


The morons who are lining up to run against him? They have more
skeletons in their closets than a Halloween novelties store.

I thought the Newsweek cover picture was perfect.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:51:25 -0400, X ~ Man
wrote:

On 8/14/11 4:46 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 14/08/2011 10:58 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Aug 14, 2:00 am, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:11:06 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:26:20 -0700, wrote:

So, you're denying that Bush I did it before him, and Reagan before
that? It might have started in 1979, but it was renewed by both of
those presidents prior to Clinton.

I agree that Reagan caved on China MFN after Carter granted it and
Bush 41,42, 43 and 44 also followed in his footsteps. It was only Bush
42 that railed against it in his campaign tho.

Politicians say lots of things, including "read my lips, no new
taxes." But, it's mostly just talk.

Yes, it's mostly talk. Like Obama's promises.

Obama's opposition is going to have a field day with Obama's broken
promises.


The morons who are lining up to run against him? They have more
skeletons in their closets than a Halloween novelties store.

I thought the Newsweek cover picture was perfect.

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:43:36 -0400, L
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:31:53 -0400, X -
wrote:

On 8/11/11 10:51 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??
What do you care? Almost everything you buy likely is made in the
communist people's republic of china.
Almost everything everyone buys was made in some slave wage country.
Sometimes they will use the dodge "assembled in the USA" but that just
means they put it in the box here.
I'm pretty sure the FTC won't allow that. There may be a loophole if
the parts were made in North America due to NAFTA.

Not true at all. That is why you have to read exactly what it says. I
am not sure what the threshold is but it is very hard to find anything
that has 100% US content.

We had another case here with fruit. A Bonita/Naples orange packing
house was putting imported oranges in their boxes that said "packed in
Bonita Springs Florida" and the last I heard, there was nothing anyone
could do about it. It was up to the grocery store managers to actually
read the invoices (that had the correct country of origin) and label
them properly in the store. If you just saw the box, you would never
know they were imported.
Exactly. It was up to the store to present it properly. In end the the
law won't allow "packaged in..." on a retail package without the true
country of origin.

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:46:48 -0400, L
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:12:32 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:20:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:51:24 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote:

FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.
I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that
is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to
Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US.
Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total.

My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything
near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is
getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at
USPS.
So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??
It sure looks that way
Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks."
Actually it is worse. I looked around a little and the best I can tell
we are still working under a Universal Postal Union treaty from 1991
where we collect postage for international shipments going out of the
country and people shipping into the country collect the postage on
that end. The receiving country carries the package internally for
free. The assumption is it will all come out in the wash.


We know the USPS has a significant charge for outgoing international
mail but it is unclear the chinese pay anything to ship things here.

Most Chinese merchandise is shipped by shipping containers. The USPS
would cost too much.
This stuff comes in too fast to be on a ship. When you get a China
shipment that says "30-40 days" that will come in a COSCO container. I
am guessing this comes in the belly of a China Air passenger plane.
I got the disk enclosure in about 8-10 days from Hong Kong.
It ends up being dumped into the USPS at the first available sorting
center from what I can tell. They carry it free from there to your
house.

If I see my post master again soon I will ask her about this. She
shops at the same Publix I do
Was that an eBay purchase? Large, retail, shipments travel by
container, not the USPS.