In article ,
says...

On 8/11/11 10:51 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??

What do you care? Almost everything you buy likely is made in the
communist people's republic of china.

The USPS is the last mile. I have made several purchases and had them
shipped via USPS. What actually happens is that a common carrier
receives the package at the shippers location and delivers it to my
local post office for the last mile to my house.

The interesting thing is that the USPS wants out of the government
retirement and health care plans and they want to dump 120,000
employees.

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:31:53 -0400, X -
wrote:

On 8/11/11 10:51 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??
What do you care? Almost everything you buy likely is made in the
communist people's republic of china.
Almost everything everyone buys was made in some slave wage country.
Sometimes they will use the dodge "assembled in the USA" but that just
means they put it in the box here.
I'm pretty sure the FTC won't allow that. There may be a loophole if
the parts were made in North America due to NAFTA.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:20:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:51:24 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote:


FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.


I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that
is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to
Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US.

Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total.

My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything
near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is
getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at
USPS.
So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??

It sure looks that way

Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks."

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:29:06 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:12:32 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:20:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:51:24 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote:


FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.


I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that
is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to
Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US.

Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total.

My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything
near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is
getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at
USPS.
So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??

It sure looks that way

Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks."


Actually it is worse. I looked around a little and the best I can tell
we are still working under a Universal Postal Union treaty from 1991
where we collect postage for international shipments going out of the
country and people shipping into the country collect the postage on
that end. The receiving country carries the package internally for
free. The assumption is it will all come out in the wash.


We know the USPS has a significant charge for outgoing international
mail but it is unclear the chinese pay anything to ship things here.

Firstly, it's a treaty signed by which Republican president? Secondly,
we're not "paying" the Chinese to ship anything. We're honoring the
treating by carrying for free. Thirdly, do you really believe that the
differential in cost is what is causing the USPS to have financial
problems? The USPS is perhaps the most efficient like service in the
world. They're not perfect, certainly, but they do a damn good job.

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:12:32 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:20:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:51:24 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote:

FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.
I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that
is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to
Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US.
Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total.

My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything
near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is
getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at
USPS.
So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the
Chinese to ship their **** here??
It sure looks that way
Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks."

Actually it is worse. I looked around a little and the best I can tell
we are still working under a Universal Postal Union treaty from 1991
where we collect postage for international shipments going out of the
country and people shipping into the country collect the postage on
that end. The receiving country carries the package internally for
free. The assumption is it will all come out in the wash.


We know the USPS has a significant charge for outgoing international
mail but it is unclear the chinese pay anything to ship things here.

Most Chinese merchandise is shipped by shipping containers. The USPS
would cost too much.

On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600,
wrote:

On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote:

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508


Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact)

Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would
repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here.

Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is
supposed to pay DC income tax?

Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US....

Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial
where the profits are. Makes sense.

You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate
around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to
China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation.

Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment.

Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in
China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that
profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these
products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our
products going into their country.

Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to
tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or
sales taxes types profess.

No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US
taxes.

We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning
the trade war.

Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy
entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want
welfare.

Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word,
work.

FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.
I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in
West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same
(3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship
something half way around the world for virtually the same price as
it costs to ship across a skinny state?

US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper,
capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials....

Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to
clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life.
Necessitating inflated wages.

I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as
sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from
China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami.
Why is that?

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:59:51 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600,
wrote:

On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote:

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508


Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact)

Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would
repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here.

Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is
supposed to pay DC income tax?

Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US....

Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial
where the profits are. Makes sense.

You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate
around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to
China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation.

Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment.

Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in
China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that
profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these
products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our
products going into their country.

Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to
tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or
sales taxes types profess.

No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US
taxes.

And, dummy, they aren't and shouldn't have to. However, if they want
to sell in this country and they're based in this country, they should
be paying their fair share in this country.

We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning
the trade war.

Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy
entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want
welfare.

Actually, very accurate, but you're an idiot.

Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word,
work.

FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.
I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in
West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same
(3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship
something half way around the world for virtually the same price as
it costs to ship across a skinny state?

US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper,
capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials....

Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to
clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life.
Necessitating inflated wages.

You continue to astonish us with your stupidity.

I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as
sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from
China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami.
Why is that?

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:59:51 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600,
wrote:

On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote:

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508


Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact)

Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would
repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here.

Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is
supposed to pay DC income tax?

Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US....

Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial
where the profits are. Makes sense.

You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate
around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to
China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation.

Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment.

Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in
China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that
profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these
products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our
products going into their country.

Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to
tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or
sales taxes types profess.

No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US
taxes.

And, dummy, they aren't and shouldn't have to. However, if they want
to sell in this country and they're based in this country, they should
be paying their fair share in this country.

We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning
the trade war.

Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy
entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want
welfare.

Actually, very accurate, but you're an idiot.

Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word,
work.

FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.
I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in
West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same
(3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship
something half way around the world for virtually the same price as
it costs to ship across a skinny state?

US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper,
capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials....

Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to
clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life.
Necessitating inflated wages.

You continue to astonish us with your stupidity.

I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as
sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from
China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami.
Why is that?

And the childish name calling and insults continue....

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:36:43 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:59:51 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600,
wrote:

On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote:

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508


Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact)

Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would
repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here.

Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is
supposed to pay DC income tax?

Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US....

Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial
where the profits are. Makes sense.

You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate
around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to
China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation.

Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment.

Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in
China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that
profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these
products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our
products going into their country.

Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to
tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or
sales taxes types profess.

No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US
taxes.

And, dummy, they aren't and shouldn't have to. However, if they want
to sell in this country and they're based in this country, they should
be paying their fair share in this country.

We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning
the trade war.

Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy
entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want
welfare.

Actually, very accurate, but you're an idiot.

Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word,
work.

FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from
China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS.
I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in
West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same
(3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship
something half way around the world for virtually the same price as
it costs to ship across a skinny state?

US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper,
capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials....

Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to
clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life.
Necessitating inflated wages.

You continue to astonish us with your stupidity.

I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as
sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from
China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami.
Why is that?

And the childish name calling and insults continue....

Feel free to contribute something of substance... oh wait, you don't
want to do that.