On 03/08/2011 2:58 PM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/3/11 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:14:34 -0600,
wrote:

On 03/08/2011 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600,
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced
their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency
fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernanke_Doctrine

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...ow/9470675.cms


Moody was paid off of course, but given Moody failed to warn Enron,
GM,
GMAC, Chrysler, Greece and others, no wonder no one trusts a Moody
rating. Lets see if S&P is a better service.

It is sad that so many believe the road to wealth is paved with debt.
They will only find poverty at the end of that road.

As though China's agency is that important - a country that
artificially lowers the value of the Yuan. It's ok for them to have a
weak currency, but when the US dollar devalues, the world ends,
according to morons like you.

In any case, thanks to the wackos for the manufactured debt ceiling
crisis - the nutcases "win" by damaging the US economy and destroying
jobs. Good show!

They do that to fight the US Fed currency fraud. But as the US
treasuries come due, China is pulling out the USD and buying companies
and real assets around the world, mostly outside of the USA. They even
buy 100s of tons of gold.

Hey, I agree USA is being sucked dry of wealth. Not everyone is a
fleabagger with their ass on their shoulders worshiping debt like a god.
I just completed my exit USA planning session with my tax accountant
on how best to get my remaining moneys out of the USA investments in the
most tax efficient manner. Will only cost me 15% so I gave the just
orders to execute it.

You should read up on debt currency crisis of Argentinian, Germans in
the early 30's, Zimbabwe, Asian currency crisis circa 1990 or so,
Iceland and others. No glory had being invested with delinquent debtors
and sticking around for the carnage of debt-tax greed.

In 1933, after the double dip of 1932, US government issued an executive
order to confiscate gold at $20/ounce and then pegged it to $35 casing
75% over night inflation. I am sure the government greedy statists are
cooking up something for 2012 or beyond. Who knows, maybe an
incremental tax grab of 18% national VAT.

But it is clear in any case the USA economy is toast for decades to
come. No glory in delinquent debtors. And Bernanke can't print money
like grains of sand or toilet paper forever. Countries are moving off
the USD as a world reserve. No glory there either.

Basically fleabagger greed killed the USA economy with dishonored debts.

Feel free to support China over the US. That's about your speed.
Marxism over Capitalism seems to be your mantra, just like you
promoting stupidity over rationality.


Actually, what we have in this country is socialism, but ****-poor
socialism, not the sort of socialism that modern European countries that
are progressing have. We're heading down the black hole of corporatism
and serfdom.

Agreed. Welfare and unemployment get rolled into workfare as an example.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On 03/08/2011 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:58:18 -0400, X -
wrote:

On 8/3/11 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:14:34 -0600,
wrote:

On 03/08/2011 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600,
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernanke_Doctrine

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...ow/9470675.cms

Moody was paid off of course, but given Moody failed to warn Enron, GM,
GMAC, Chrysler, Greece and others, no wonder no one trusts a Moody
rating. Lets see if S&P is a better service.

It is sad that so many believe the road to wealth is paved with debt.
They will only find poverty at the end of that road.

As though China's agency is that important - a country that
artificially lowers the value of the Yuan. It's ok for them to have a
weak currency, but when the US dollar devalues, the world ends,
according to morons like you.

In any case, thanks to the wackos for the manufactured debt ceiling
crisis - the nutcases "win" by damaging the US economy and destroying
jobs. Good show!

They do that to fight the US Fed currency fraud. But as the US
treasuries come due, China is pulling out the USD and buying companies
and real assets around the world, mostly outside of the USA. They even
buy 100s of tons of gold.

Hey, I agree USA is being sucked dry of wealth. Not everyone is a
fleabagger with their ass on their shoulders worshiping debt like a god.
I just completed my exit USA planning session with my tax accountant
on how best to get my remaining moneys out of the USA investments in the
most tax efficient manner. Will only cost me 15% so I gave the just
orders to execute it.

You should read up on debt currency crisis of Argentinian, Germans in
the early 30's, Zimbabwe, Asian currency crisis circa 1990 or so,
Iceland and others. No glory had being invested with delinquent debtors
and sticking around for the carnage of debt-tax greed.

In 1933, after the double dip of 1932, US government issued an executive
order to confiscate gold at $20/ounce and then pegged it to $35 casing
75% over night inflation. I am sure the government greedy statists are
cooking up something for 2012 or beyond. Who knows, maybe an
incremental tax grab of 18% national VAT.

But it is clear in any case the USA economy is toast for decades to
come. No glory in delinquent debtors. And Bernanke can't print money
like grains of sand or toilet paper forever. Countries are moving off
the USD as a world reserve. No glory there either.

Basically fleabagger greed killed the USA economy with dishonored debts.

Feel free to support China over the US. That's about your speed.
Marxism over Capitalism seems to be your mantra, just like you
promoting stupidity over rationality.


Actually, what we have in this country is socialism, but ****-poor
socialism, not the sort of socialism that modern European countries that
are progressing have. We're heading down the black hole of corporatism
and serfdom.

Of course we do. The right-wingers are all for pure capitalism until
they have to give us street lights, water treatment, police, fire,
SS/Medicare/Medicaid, etc.

You forgot the other costs, bailouts, corruption, world warfare, US war
machine, excessive government wages and perks and waste.

Take social security skimming. Government hikes employment taxes to be
approaching income taxes, then borrows it for 0% in a 5% inflation
environment. So the moneys paid to SS will be 95% of current value in a
year. A slimy way of skimming SS for government greed. And that is
before i is picked over with government GA costs. In the end a good
portion of SS paid is effectively and employment tax.

If government gave a **** about what is fair with pensions, they would
have the social security taxes deposited into a non-refundable IRA in
your name, in your account and in your control. And if someone wanted
gobs of pooled moneys, they would define to you a fair rate of return
and none of this skimming bull****. And you would get statements with
real money and not promises of future fraud.

Fact is government is corrupt.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On 8/3/2011 8:35 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 03/08/2011 2:58 PM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/3/11 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:14:34 -0600,
wrote:

On 03/08/2011 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600,
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced
their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency
fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernanke_Doctrine

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...ow/9470675.cms



Moody was paid off of course, but given Moody failed to warn Enron,
GM,
GMAC, Chrysler, Greece and others, no wonder no one trusts a Moody
rating. Lets see if S&P is a better service.

It is sad that so many believe the road to wealth is paved with debt.
They will only find poverty at the end of that road.

As though China's agency is that important - a country that
artificially lowers the value of the Yuan. It's ok for them to have a
weak currency, but when the US dollar devalues, the world ends,
according to morons like you.

In any case, thanks to the wackos for the manufactured debt ceiling
crisis - the nutcases "win" by damaging the US economy and destroying
jobs. Good show!

They do that to fight the US Fed currency fraud. But as the US
treasuries come due, China is pulling out the USD and buying companies
and real assets around the world, mostly outside of the USA. They even
buy 100s of tons of gold.

Hey, I agree USA is being sucked dry of wealth. Not everyone is a
fleabagger with their ass on their shoulders worshiping debt like a
god.
I just completed my exit USA planning session with my tax accountant
on how best to get my remaining moneys out of the USA investments in
the
most tax efficient manner. Will only cost me 15% so I gave the just
orders to execute it.

You should read up on debt currency crisis of Argentinian, Germans in
the early 30's, Zimbabwe, Asian currency crisis circa 1990 or so,
Iceland and others. No glory had being invested with delinquent debtors
and sticking around for the carnage of debt-tax greed.

In 1933, after the double dip of 1932, US government issued an
executive
order to confiscate gold at $20/ounce and then pegged it to $35 casing
75% over night inflation. I am sure the government greedy statists are
cooking up something for 2012 or beyond. Who knows, maybe an
incremental tax grab of 18% national VAT.

But it is clear in any case the USA economy is toast for decades to
come. No glory in delinquent debtors. And Bernanke can't print money
like grains of sand or toilet paper forever. Countries are moving off
the USD as a world reserve. No glory there either.

Basically fleabagger greed killed the USA economy with dishonored
debts.

Feel free to support China over the US. That's about your speed.
Marxism over Capitalism seems to be your mantra, just like you
promoting stupidity over rationality.


Actually, what we have in this country is socialism, but ****-poor
socialism, not the sort of socialism that modern European countries that
are progressing have. We're heading down the black hole of corporatism
and serfdom.

Agreed. Welfare and unemployment get rolled into workfare as an example.

Pffffttt. my neighbor has been collecting for nearly two years.. maybe
longer I don't know.

On 8/3/11 9:18 PM, I am Tosk wrote:


Agreed. Welfare and unemployment get rolled into workfare as an example.

Pffffttt. my neighbor has been collecting for nearly two years.. maybe
longer I don't know.


Of course, you can't collect...you have to have worked to collect UC,
and you don't work.


--
Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing
conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the
quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and disappear.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:43:25 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 03/08/2011 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:58:18 -0400, X -
wrote:

On 8/3/11 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:14:34 -0600,
wrote:

On 03/08/2011 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600,
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernanke_Doctrine

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...ow/9470675.cms

Moody was paid off of course, but given Moody failed to warn Enron, GM,
GMAC, Chrysler, Greece and others, no wonder no one trusts a Moody
rating. Lets see if S&P is a better service.

It is sad that so many believe the road to wealth is paved with debt.
They will only find poverty at the end of that road.

As though China's agency is that important - a country that
artificially lowers the value of the Yuan. It's ok for them to have a
weak currency, but when the US dollar devalues, the world ends,
according to morons like you.

In any case, thanks to the wackos for the manufactured debt ceiling
crisis - the nutcases "win" by damaging the US economy and destroying
jobs. Good show!

They do that to fight the US Fed currency fraud. But as the US
treasuries come due, China is pulling out the USD and buying companies
and real assets around the world, mostly outside of the USA. They even
buy 100s of tons of gold.

Hey, I agree USA is being sucked dry of wealth. Not everyone is a
fleabagger with their ass on their shoulders worshiping debt like a god.
I just completed my exit USA planning session with my tax accountant
on how best to get my remaining moneys out of the USA investments in the
most tax efficient manner. Will only cost me 15% so I gave the just
orders to execute it.

You should read up on debt currency crisis of Argentinian, Germans in
the early 30's, Zimbabwe, Asian currency crisis circa 1990 or so,
Iceland and others. No glory had being invested with delinquent debtors
and sticking around for the carnage of debt-tax greed.

In 1933, after the double dip of 1932, US government issued an executive
order to confiscate gold at $20/ounce and then pegged it to $35 casing
75% over night inflation. I am sure the government greedy statists are
cooking up something for 2012 or beyond. Who knows, maybe an
incremental tax grab of 18% national VAT.

But it is clear in any case the USA economy is toast for decades to
come. No glory in delinquent debtors. And Bernanke can't print money
like grains of sand or toilet paper forever. Countries are moving off
the USD as a world reserve. No glory there either.

Basically fleabagger greed killed the USA economy with dishonored debts.

Feel free to support China over the US. That's about your speed.
Marxism over Capitalism seems to be your mantra, just like you
promoting stupidity over rationality.


Actually, what we have in this country is socialism, but ****-poor
socialism, not the sort of socialism that modern European countries that
are progressing have. We're heading down the black hole of corporatism
and serfdom.

Of course we do. The right-wingers are all for pure capitalism until
they have to give us street lights, water treatment, police, fire,
SS/Medicare/Medicaid, etc.

You forgot the other costs, bailouts, corruption, world warfare, US war
machine, excessive government wages and perks and waste.

Take social security skimming. Government hikes employment taxes to be
approaching income taxes, then borrows it for 0% in a 5% inflation
environment. So the moneys paid to SS will be 95% of current value in a
year. A slimy way of skimming SS for government greed. And that is
before i is picked over with government GA costs. In the end a good
portion of SS paid is effectively and employment tax.

If government gave a **** about what is fair with pensions, they would
have the social security taxes deposited into a non-refundable IRA in
your name, in your account and in your control. And if someone wanted
gobs of pooled moneys, they would define to you a fair rate of return
and none of this skimming bull****. And you would get statements with
real money and not promises of future fraud.

Fact is government is corrupt.

So, instead of fixing all the "corruption, etc." you're happy to do
without all the things I mentioned. Yes, you're a moron.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:35:44 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 03/08/2011 2:58 PM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/3/11 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:14:34 -0600,
wrote:

On 03/08/2011 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600,
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced
their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency
fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernanke_Doctrine

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...ow/9470675.cms


Moody was paid off of course, but given Moody failed to warn Enron,
GM,
GMAC, Chrysler, Greece and others, no wonder no one trusts a Moody
rating. Lets see if S&P is a better service.

It is sad that so many believe the road to wealth is paved with debt.
They will only find poverty at the end of that road.

As though China's agency is that important - a country that
artificially lowers the value of the Yuan. It's ok for them to have a
weak currency, but when the US dollar devalues, the world ends,
according to morons like you.

In any case, thanks to the wackos for the manufactured debt ceiling
crisis - the nutcases "win" by damaging the US economy and destroying
jobs. Good show!

They do that to fight the US Fed currency fraud. But as the US
treasuries come due, China is pulling out the USD and buying companies
and real assets around the world, mostly outside of the USA. They even
buy 100s of tons of gold.

Hey, I agree USA is being sucked dry of wealth. Not everyone is a
fleabagger with their ass on their shoulders worshiping debt like a god.
I just completed my exit USA planning session with my tax accountant
on how best to get my remaining moneys out of the USA investments in the
most tax efficient manner. Will only cost me 15% so I gave the just
orders to execute it.

You should read up on debt currency crisis of Argentinian, Germans in
the early 30's, Zimbabwe, Asian currency crisis circa 1990 or so,
Iceland and others. No glory had being invested with delinquent debtors
and sticking around for the carnage of debt-tax greed.

In 1933, after the double dip of 1932, US government issued an executive
order to confiscate gold at $20/ounce and then pegged it to $35 casing
75% over night inflation. I am sure the government greedy statists are
cooking up something for 2012 or beyond. Who knows, maybe an
incremental tax grab of 18% national VAT.

But it is clear in any case the USA economy is toast for decades to
come. No glory in delinquent debtors. And Bernanke can't print money
like grains of sand or toilet paper forever. Countries are moving off
the USD as a world reserve. No glory there either.

Basically fleabagger greed killed the USA economy with dishonored debts.

Feel free to support China over the US. That's about your speed.
Marxism over Capitalism seems to be your mantra, just like you
promoting stupidity over rationality.


Actually, what we have in this country is socialism, but ****-poor
socialism, not the sort of socialism that modern European countries that
are progressing have. We're heading down the black hole of corporatism
and serfdom.

Agreed. Welfare and unemployment get rolled into workfare as an example.

Agreed. You're a moron racist.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:

inflation is running at about 3%. IOW canuck doesnt know what he's
talking about

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:20:05 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:

inflation is running at about 3%. IOW canuck doesnt know what he's
talking about

Ah, but the world is ending next week, or is it next month... I told
him to go into hiding and we'd tell him when it's safe to come out.

On 03/08/2011 7:18 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
On 8/3/2011 8:35 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 03/08/2011 2:58 PM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/3/11 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:14:34 -0600,
wrote:

On 03/08/2011 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600,
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced
their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency
fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernanke_Doctrine

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...ow/9470675.cms




Moody was paid off of course, but given Moody failed to warn Enron,
GM,
GMAC, Chrysler, Greece and others, no wonder no one trusts a Moody
rating. Lets see if S&P is a better service.

It is sad that so many believe the road to wealth is paved with
debt.
They will only find poverty at the end of that road.

As though China's agency is that important - a country that
artificially lowers the value of the Yuan. It's ok for them to have a
weak currency, but when the US dollar devalues, the world ends,
according to morons like you.

In any case, thanks to the wackos for the manufactured debt ceiling
crisis - the nutcases "win" by damaging the US economy and destroying
jobs. Good show!

They do that to fight the US Fed currency fraud. But as the US
treasuries come due, China is pulling out the USD and buying companies
and real assets around the world, mostly outside of the USA. They even
buy 100s of tons of gold.

Hey, I agree USA is being sucked dry of wealth. Not everyone is a
fleabagger with their ass on their shoulders worshiping debt like a
god.
I just completed my exit USA planning session with my tax accountant
on how best to get my remaining moneys out of the USA investments in
the
most tax efficient manner. Will only cost me 15% so I gave the just
orders to execute it.

You should read up on debt currency crisis of Argentinian, Germans in
the early 30's, Zimbabwe, Asian currency crisis circa 1990 or so,
Iceland and others. No glory had being invested with delinquent
debtors
and sticking around for the carnage of debt-tax greed.

In 1933, after the double dip of 1932, US government issued an
executive
order to confiscate gold at $20/ounce and then pegged it to $35 casing
75% over night inflation. I am sure the government greedy statists are
cooking up something for 2012 or beyond. Who knows, maybe an
incremental tax grab of 18% national VAT.

But it is clear in any case the USA economy is toast for decades to
come. No glory in delinquent debtors. And Bernanke can't print money
like grains of sand or toilet paper forever. Countries are moving off
the USD as a world reserve. No glory there either.

Basically fleabagger greed killed the USA economy with dishonored
debts.

Feel free to support China over the US. That's about your speed.
Marxism over Capitalism seems to be your mantra, just like you
promoting stupidity over rationality.


Actually, what we have in this country is socialism, but ****-poor
socialism, not the sort of socialism that modern European countries that
are progressing have. We're heading down the black hole of corporatism
and serfdom.

Agreed. Welfare and unemployment get rolled into workfare as an example.

Pffffttt. my neighbor has been collecting for nearly two years.. maybe
longer I don't know.

Bet he votes fleabagger. Part of the problem. Too many fleabagger
voters and not enough taxpayers with a vote.
--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On 03/08/2011 8:20 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:07:14 -0600,
wrote:


Not only has China reduced the US credit rating, they have reduced their
holdings of US debt. Once as high as $2.1 trillion, now only $1.15
trillion as everyone knows, USD is experiencing Bernanke currency fraud.
No one buys US treasuries any more, Bernanke prints it.

The Bernake doctrine of inflation causing unemployment:

inflation is running at about 3%. IOW canuck doesnt know what he's
talking about

First, no one believes the governments own bull**** numbers.

An interesting chart suggests gold tracks debt, debt limit and inflation....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...-year-end.html

If you use a government inflation calc, it does not take long to see
their numbers are pure bull****.

The very debt incurred causes the depression.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.