On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:41:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 1:23 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:19:11 -0400, wrote:


Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

let's see...the right wing supreme court decided corporations should
run american elections

Don't worry, no one expects you to buy a $10,000 US treasury note. You
don't have the money, and even if you did....

If they paid fairly, and had 2x inflation guaranty, I would buy 10 or 20
lots. But they don't pay worth crap. Not even enough to cover a small
fraction of inflation+taxes.

So screw them. 1% isn't an investment, it is stupid depreciating paper
issued from a bankrupt government and depreciating currency.

Unlike Moody and S&P which are frauds anyway, I also account for future
value, and after 10 years of inflation they are worth less than you
started with. Junk paper.



unlike canada with socialized medicine and many unio n members

go figure

u

On 7/30/2011 6:27 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/



1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm
Buy one at the post office or by payroll deduction.

On 30/07/2011 8:21 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 6:27 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/




1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to
lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm
Buy one at the post office or by payroll deduction.

They only pay at max 1/10th of 1%. Or about $5 on $5000. Hardly worth
the gas to go there.

Which is also why the US is failing. Bernanke is printing USD so fast
with the intent of making the currency loose value fast. And that
attacks the wealth of America.

Zero rate debt is a huge fraud on America. Time just to call Bernanke a
criminal.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:30:51 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 10:19 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:47:15 -0600,
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:34:47 -0600,
wrote:

http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/

1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

More craziness from a right-wing little freak.

So how deep does your denial go?

You do realize these workers pay your welfare?

You might want to think what you are going to do when DC is bankrupt.

Dumb assed idiots can't figure out that government debt isn't the
solution, government debt is the problem. Blinded by their greed of
power and debt, they are in fact arguing about how to make it worse.

where's the proof govt debt's the problem?

oh. there isn't any. why is the economy in the ****ter?

because people arent buying stuff. THAT is why the economy sucks. no
one is buying houses. we have millions unemployed....

but the right has their reader's digest stories....bull**** but it's
all they know

Where is the proof government debt is solving the problem?

Lots of proof exists that debt is the problem, just that most people
don't want to see it. Probably because the same people bitching about
"rich" are also the same ones that they themselves are chronic debtors.
You average congress person carried over $15k on the credit card every
money. Insane.

Being one of those students that showed up only for the math tests,
understood arithmetic and geometric progressions, became ready apparent
debt has hidden costs. Tools are there, just that people are mentally
lazy to see them.

How you become rich is first understanding how it really works and not
just succumbing to the greed pandering promise of "free" money. Very
few "rich" carry any debt at all. Debt is a parasite on wealth. It is
a persons greed that is their own worst enemy when it comes to using credit.

So wf3h, defumer -- enjoy being poor. You don't have the right attitude
to be "rich".

You're a moron. It's pretty clear what happens when there's a
retrenchment during a bad recession. It's called a depression. But,
right wing crazies are too stupid to get it.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:04:17 -0400, LilAbner wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:54 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 11:13 AM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 12:30 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:19 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:47:15 -0600,
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:34:47 -0600,
wrote:

http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/




1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

More craziness from a right-wing little freak.

So how deep does your denial go?

You do realize these workers pay your welfare?

You might want to think what you are going to do when DC is bankrupt.

Dumb assed idiots can't figure out that government debt isn't the
solution, government debt is the problem. Blinded by their greed of
power and debt, they are in fact arguing about how to make it worse.

where's the proof govt debt's the problem?

oh. there isn't any. why is the economy in the ****ter?

because people arent buying stuff. THAT is why the economy sucks. no
one is buying houses. we have millions unemployed....

but the right has their reader's digest stories....bull**** but it's
all they know

Where is the proof government debt is solving the problem?

Lots of proof exists that debt is the problem, just that most people
don't want to see it. Probably because the same people bitching about
"rich" are also the same ones that they themselves are chronic debtors.
You average congress person carried over $15k on the credit card every
money. Insane.

Being one of those students that showed up only for the math tests,
understood arithmetic and geometric progressions, became ready apparent
debt has hidden costs. Tools are there, just that people are mentally
lazy to see them.

How you become rich is first understanding how it really works and not
just succumbing to the greed pandering promise of "free" money. Very few
"rich" carry any debt at all. Debt is a parasite on wealth. It is a
persons greed that is their own worst enemy when it comes to using
credit.

So wf3h, defumer -- enjoy being poor. You don't have the right attitude
to be "rich".
there is nothing wrong with being rich. The one forming the debate are
those benefitting from current tax policy and government.
They are crying class warfare when in fact they are the ones creating
the conflict. There are some of course that resent "rich folks" even
though the problem is not with being rich.
Middle America and Main Street is carrying the tax load while the Global
Investor Class or Ownership society or Supply side
economists/governemetnalists pay little to none.
Looking at the problems with unbiased opinion is hard but thee are the
facts.

Agreed. What is going on in DC right now, except for the Tea Party is
just a pony show. Debt will be expanded and the business of corruption
will continue. People are not mad enough yet to stop the corruption.

The problem is not the rich that are worth say less than a billion. But
I do believe 1/2 or more of the billionaires are corrupt. There are also
a lot of honest ones lie Warren Buffet. But persecuting them for
political greed is just blame deflection as the problem is much bigger.

I really think this is a Euro-US Central bank controlled war that is
killing off US middle class. To them, middle class are just disposable
tax sheep.

Zero percent interest is meant to trash the US government. They have
politicians so convinced that more debt is the answer, it is like
leading sheep to slaughter. Zero rate debt screws up government revenue,
causes people not to invest and the vicious circle of self destruction
keeps going.

Real investors are suffering, that is why they are not investing. Real
investors are not the issue, the real issue is ponzi fraud baning that
is going on. I blame Bernanke more than I even blame Obama. A big
government **** fest of egalitarian bull**** going on.

I have worked for government off and on as a contractor, and all I see
is an organization that is hell bent on election ever growing, ever more
ineffective, ever wasteful bunch of entitlement civil servant
egalitarian greed. Government does not give a **** about the people,
they are worried the people might discover government is the problem.

Media for example, always justifying the government line, why not more
debt? An totally ignore the morality of the debt-tax enslavement that
ensues.

At some point expect a national 10 to 15% wealth robbing VAT. The idea
is to get the debt high enough they will increase everyone (rich/middle
and poor) taxes by 150% of what they currently pay.

Taxation is being used for modern day enslavement to banks and the
hidden elite that really pull the strings in Europe, Saudi Arabia and US.

Some of what you say is at tangents. there are many different classes
seeking to take advantage of America. That is the reason we have a
Consitution and supposedly our elected officials are to work to preserve
the union and protect our society and economy from predation.
The FED is unConstitutional. Congress had no authority to abandon it's
responsibility. The Bankers came with money and bought their way and he
who controls the money supply controls the Republic and economy.
I'm no fan of Jackson but he was spot. kennedy was going to reverse
course on that. One of Johnson's first steps was to stop it.
that is just one aspect.

The Fed is not unconstitutional. That's just right wing nonsense. The
Fed chairman is confirmed by the Senate. Feel free to lobby your
senator to have him or her block the next appointment or remove the
agency.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:24:25 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 12:04 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 1:54 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 11:13 AM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 12:30 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:19 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:47:15 -0600,
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:34:47 -0600,
wrote:

http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/





1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

More craziness from a right-wing little freak.

So how deep does your denial go?

You do realize these workers pay your welfare?

You might want to think what you are going to do when DC is bankrupt.

Dumb assed idiots can't figure out that government debt isn't the
solution, government debt is the problem. Blinded by their greed of
power and debt, they are in fact arguing about how to make it worse.

where's the proof govt debt's the problem?

oh. there isn't any. why is the economy in the ****ter?

because people arent buying stuff. THAT is why the economy sucks. no
one is buying houses. we have millions unemployed....

but the right has their reader's digest stories....bull**** but it's
all they know

Where is the proof government debt is solving the problem?

Lots of proof exists that debt is the problem, just that most people
don't want to see it. Probably because the same people bitching about
"rich" are also the same ones that they themselves are chronic debtors.
You average congress person carried over $15k on the credit card every
money. Insane.

Being one of those students that showed up only for the math tests,
understood arithmetic and geometric progressions, became ready apparent
debt has hidden costs. Tools are there, just that people are mentally
lazy to see them.

How you become rich is first understanding how it really works and not
just succumbing to the greed pandering promise of "free" money. Very
few
"rich" carry any debt at all. Debt is a parasite on wealth. It is a
persons greed that is their own worst enemy when it comes to using
credit.

So wf3h, defumer -- enjoy being poor. You don't have the right attitude
to be "rich".
there is nothing wrong with being rich. The one forming the debate are
those benefitting from current tax policy and government.
They are crying class warfare when in fact they are the ones creating
the conflict. There are some of course that resent "rich folks" even
though the problem is not with being rich.
Middle America and Main Street is carrying the tax load while the Global
Investor Class or Ownership society or Supply side
economists/governemetnalists pay little to none.
Looking at the problems with unbiased opinion is hard but thee are the
facts.

Agreed. What is going on in DC right now, except for the Tea Party is
just a pony show. Debt will be expanded and the business of corruption
will continue. People are not mad enough yet to stop the corruption.

The problem is not the rich that are worth say less than a billion. But
I do believe 1/2 or more of the billionaires are corrupt. There are also
a lot of honest ones lie Warren Buffet. But persecuting them for
political greed is just blame deflection as the problem is much bigger.

I really think this is a Euro-US Central bank controlled war that is
killing off US middle class. To them, middle class are just disposable
tax sheep.

Zero percent interest is meant to trash the US government. They have
politicians so convinced that more debt is the answer, it is like
leading sheep to slaughter. Zero rate debt screws up government revenue,
causes people not to invest and the vicious circle of self destruction
keeps going.

Real investors are suffering, that is why they are not investing. Real
investors are not the issue, the real issue is ponzi fraud baning that
is going on. I blame Bernanke more than I even blame Obama. A big
government **** fest of egalitarian bull**** going on.

I have worked for government off and on as a contractor, and all I see
is an organization that is hell bent on election ever growing, ever more
ineffective, ever wasteful bunch of entitlement civil servant
egalitarian greed. Government does not give a **** about the people,
they are worried the people might discover government is the problem.

Media for example, always justifying the government line, why not more
debt? An totally ignore the morality of the debt-tax enslavement that
ensues.

At some point expect a national 10 to 15% wealth robbing VAT. The idea
is to get the debt high enough they will increase everyone (rich/middle
and poor) taxes by 150% of what they currently pay.

Taxation is being used for modern day enslavement to banks and the
hidden elite that really pull the strings in Europe, Saudi Arabia and US.

Some of what you say is at tangents. there are many different classes
seeking to take advantage of America. That is the reason we have a
Consitution and supposedly our elected officials are to work to preserve
the union and protect our society and economy from predation.
The FED is unConstitutional. Congress had no authority to abandon it's
responsibility. The Bankers came with money and bought their way and he
who controls the money supply controls the Republic and economy.
I'm no fan of Jackson but he was spot. kennedy was going to reverse
course on that. One of Johnson's first steps was to stop it.
that is just one aspect.

US Fed, while technically private is more or less controlled by
congress. Nothing to stop congress to say stop the money print fraud.
Trouble is, congress like the bank is corrupt. All the civil servants
say is more debt even though it is screwing the country. As without
debt a lot of civil servants will be laid off. Government does not feel
like it should share the pain and has grown well beyond the countries
ability to support it. This path is guaranteed to fail someday and is
not sustainable.

The constitution is only as good as it is enforced. Without people like
Ron Paul, others would just ignore it.

I do believe Kennedy was assassinated by corruption in the government
and bans. I have no doubt about it. Reagan and Kennedy are the only
two presidents I thought good of.

Makes me wonder though, is the whole system so innately corrupt that
that these criminals can't be flushed out and operate with impunity?
John Wheeler, Ashley Turton....Obama knows 3 people in less than 2 weeks
that are murdered or shot in just this time? What are the odds?

And we now Obama is not beyond assassination. At least 4 attempts so
far on Gaddafi. Getting Osama was to save Obama's but, as it would be
hard to explain to congress why he new where Osama was for 8 moths and
didn't get him. Plus Obama needed to deflect the fact that his
assassination order for Gaddafi just killed 3 unarmed kids in their
home. Obama needed the deflection.

Egypt is apparently becoming a Islam/Sharia military state. News the
liberal media will deny you for the obvious embarrassment to Obama re
Mubarak. Obama damages to America are not limited to debt, they are also
international.

You are a freak. You need to be institutionalized.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:37:47 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 30/07/2011 9:28 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/


1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?

GM is going down again is the inside word. AmeriCredit is already
getting a lot of bad paper too.

GM is a turkey.

Crappy cars, crappy management, crappy workers.

The pig should be killed.

Not any more. And, they're backing much higher CAFE standards.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:35:47 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum "not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/


1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Right wing nonsense, which is nothing new from people like you.

On 7/30/2011 11:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 8:21 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 6:27 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/





1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to
lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of
leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm
Buy one at the post office or by payroll deduction.

They only pay at max 1/10th of 1%. Or about $5 on $5000. Hardly worth
the gas to go there.

Which is also why the US is failing. Bernanke is printing USD so fast
with the intent of making the currency loose value fast. And that
attacks the wealth of America.

Zero rate debt is a huge fraud on America. Time just to call Bernanke a
criminal.

It could stand improvements. They have to have the push to do it though.
Americans should be able to invest in our Country. Who owns America
makes a difference.

On 7/30/2011 11:21 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:04:17 -0400, wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:54 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 11:13 AM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 12:30 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:19 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:47:15 -0600,
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 12:00 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:34:47 -0600,
wrote:

http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/




1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

More craziness from a right-wing little freak.

So how deep does your denial go?

You do realize these workers pay your welfare?

You might want to think what you are going to do when DC is bankrupt.

Dumb assed idiots can't figure out that government debt isn't the
solution, government debt is the problem. Blinded by their greed of
power and debt, they are in fact arguing about how to make it worse.

where's the proof govt debt's the problem?

oh. there isn't any. why is the economy in the ****ter?

because people arent buying stuff. THAT is why the economy sucks. no
one is buying houses. we have millions unemployed....

but the right has their reader's digest stories....bull**** but it's
all they know

Where is the proof government debt is solving the problem?

Lots of proof exists that debt is the problem, just that most people
don't want to see it. Probably because the same people bitching about
"rich" are also the same ones that they themselves are chronic debtors.
You average congress person carried over $15k on the credit card every
money. Insane.

Being one of those students that showed up only for the math tests,
understood arithmetic and geometric progressions, became ready apparent
debt has hidden costs. Tools are there, just that people are mentally
lazy to see them.

How you become rich is first understanding how it really works and not
just succumbing to the greed pandering promise of "free" money. Very few
"rich" carry any debt at all. Debt is a parasite on wealth. It is a
persons greed that is their own worst enemy when it comes to using
credit.

So wf3h, defumer -- enjoy being poor. You don't have the right attitude
to be "rich".
there is nothing wrong with being rich. The one forming the debate are
those benefitting from current tax policy and government.
They are crying class warfare when in fact they are the ones creating
the conflict. There are some of course that resent "rich folks" even
though the problem is not with being rich.
Middle America and Main Street is carrying the tax load while the Global
Investor Class or Ownership society or Supply side
economists/governemetnalists pay little to none.
Looking at the problems with unbiased opinion is hard but thee are the
facts.

Agreed. What is going on in DC right now, except for the Tea Party is
just a pony show. Debt will be expanded and the business of corruption
will continue. People are not mad enough yet to stop the corruption.

The problem is not the rich that are worth say less than a billion. But
I do believe 1/2 or more of the billionaires are corrupt. There are also
a lot of honest ones lie Warren Buffet. But persecuting them for
political greed is just blame deflection as the problem is much bigger.

I really think this is a Euro-US Central bank controlled war that is
killing off US middle class. To them, middle class are just disposable
tax sheep.

Zero percent interest is meant to trash the US government. They have
politicians so convinced that more debt is the answer, it is like
leading sheep to slaughter. Zero rate debt screws up government revenue,
causes people not to invest and the vicious circle of self destruction
keeps going.

Real investors are suffering, that is why they are not investing. Real
investors are not the issue, the real issue is ponzi fraud baning that
is going on. I blame Bernanke more than I even blame Obama. A big
government **** fest of egalitarian bull**** going on.

I have worked for government off and on as a contractor, and all I see
is an organization that is hell bent on election ever growing, ever more
ineffective, ever wasteful bunch of entitlement civil servant
egalitarian greed. Government does not give a **** about the people,
they are worried the people might discover government is the problem.

Media for example, always justifying the government line, why not more
debt? An totally ignore the morality of the debt-tax enslavement that
ensues.

At some point expect a national 10 to 15% wealth robbing VAT. The idea
is to get the debt high enough they will increase everyone (rich/middle
and poor) taxes by 150% of what they currently pay.

Taxation is being used for modern day enslavement to banks and the
hidden elite that really pull the strings in Europe, Saudi Arabia and US.

Some of what you say is at tangents. there are many different classes
seeking to take advantage of America. That is the reason we have a
Consitution and supposedly our elected officials are to work to preserve
the union and protect our society and economy from predation.
The FED is unConstitutional. Congress had no authority to abandon it's
responsibility. The Bankers came with money and bought their way and he
who controls the money supply controls the Republic and economy.
I'm no fan of Jackson but he was spot. kennedy was going to reverse
course on that. One of Johnson's first steps was to stop it.
that is just one aspect.

The Fed is not unconstitutional. That's just right wing nonsense. The
Fed chairman is confirmed by the Senate. Feel free to lobby your
senator to have him or her block the next appointment or remove the
agency.
You don't read much do you. Right wing? How about American?