On 30/07/2011 12:19 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/




1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose
any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

Key part is stopping Bernanke fraud money print. US treasury hasn't
borrowed much real money since Sept 2008. How interest rates are set
ignores the lender side of the market which wants 5 to 10%. Bernanke
just creates the fraud money and lends it out driving down the rates.

Which really started in 2007, when the first credit crunch came.

No one in their right mind would buy a US treasury tight now under these
fraud conditions. I wouldn't even comment mutual funds in bonds or
mortgages. Just too much fraud. It is more like musical chairs
gambling for a 1% return. Stupid high risk for the below inflation
return. Better off elsewhere.

But agree, if government was forced to pay fair rates of return, it
should be forced to buy the paper from its own people. But government
enjoys the fraud too much. For example, borrow a trillion of SS at say
0.5% in a 4.5% inflation environment is cheap money, and the SS looses
4% in value each inflation year. Government covers it with higher
employment taxes. Liberal media will not tell the people of this fraud,
they are pro-statism.

Best way for people is to use the ROTH. ROTH is tax free later when you
need it in retirement and taxes are going up big time. IRA may not be
the best as you might end up paying more taxes on withdrawal than you
got deferred on contribution, a higher risk. Just put $100/week into a
ROTH. If government ever offers bonds at fair rates, buy them in the ROTH.
--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:30:51 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 10:19 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:47:15 -0600,
wrote:

but the right has their reader's digest stories....bull**** but it's
all they know

Where is the proof government debt is solving the problem?

hey racist scumbag, how many times do i have to post this stuff:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....f-the-day.html

see those numbers, racist scumbag? obama spent money. steady job
creation of about 180,000 per month; now that the money is no longer
being spent and the GOP has congress, number of jobs created? about
50,000 per month.

you were saying, racist?


Lots of proof exists that debt is the problem, just that most people
don't want to see it.

lots of proof exists that DEMAND is the problem...lack of it but the
right wing just keeps cutting taxes for the rich who dont spend ****.
and we bankrupt the middle class...



Being one of those students that showed up only for the math tests,
understood arithmetic and geometric progressions, became ready apparent
debt has hidden costs. Tools are there, just that people are mentally
lazy to see them.

HAHAHAHA if this were the case the right wing would disappear!


How you become rich is first understanding how it really works and not
just succumbing to the greed pandering promise of "free" money. Very
few "rich" carry any debt at all. Debt is a parasite on wealth. It is
a persons greed that is their own worst enemy when it comes to using credit.

in america you become rich by having rich parents. the number 1
predictor of wealth in america is how rich your parents were


So wf3h, defumer -- enjoy being poor. You don't have the right attitude
to be "rich".

more delusions from the right wing. no evidence. no numbers. just
bull****

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:54:23 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Agreed. What is going on in DC right now, except for the Tea Party is
just a pony show. Debt will be expanded and the business of corruption
will continue. People are not mad enough yet to stop the corruption


HAHAHAAH the teabaggers would head us right back to the 29 depression.


The problem is not the rich that are worth say less than a billion.

uh no. total income of everyone earning over 250K a year?

about 2 TRILLION dollars

christ dont you guys know ANYTHING?

why do i have to keep teaching you economics??

I really think this is a Euro-US Central bank controlled war that is
killing off US middle class. To them, middle class are just disposable
tax sheep.

finally you got something right. your problem is that your solution is
all ****ed up. you think obama spent the money

WRONG

you think debt is the problem

WRONG

you think deregulating the banks is the solution

WRONG

you think socialism for the rich is the solution

WRONG

you think busting unions is the solution

WRONG

IOW everything you think is right is WRONG


Zero percent interest is meant to trash the US government.

HHAHAHAHA last month he was shrieking that inflation was going to
destroy america!! now it's zero percent interest!

Real investors are suffering, that is why they are not investing.

let's see...US corporations are sitting on 1.8 TRILLION in cash. the
most in history...

so, again, he's wrong


I have worked for government off and on as a contractor, and all I see
is an organization that is hell bent on election ever growing, ever more
ineffective, ever wasteful bunch of entitlement civil servant
egalitarian greed. Government does not give a **** about the people,
they are worried the people might discover government is the problem.

yeah and corporate america is so concerned about people.


Media for example, always justifying the government line, why not more
debt? An totally ignore the morality of the debt-tax enslavement that
ensues.

let's see...tax burden is the lowest in 60 years. our taxe are lower
than CANADA'S yet he says we're over taxed!!

christ does he EVER make sense??

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:35:47 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum "not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/


1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

let's see...

union membership in canada 30%

unemployment 7.4%

unions in the US 6%

unemployment: 9.2%

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:19:11 -0400, LilAbner wrote:


Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

let's see...the right wing supreme court decided corporations should
run american elections

On 30/07/2011 1:23 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:19:11 -0400, wrote:


Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

let's see...the right wing supreme court decided corporations should
run american elections

Don't worry, no one expects you to buy a $10,000 US treasury note. You
don't have the money, and even if you did....

If they paid fairly, and had 2x inflation guaranty, I would buy 10 or 20
lots. But they don't pay worth crap. Not even enough to cover a small
fraction of inflation+taxes.

So screw them. 1% isn't an investment, it is stupid depreciating paper
issued from a bankrupt government and depreciating currency.

Unlike Moody and S&P which are frauds anyway, I also account for future
value, and after 10 years of inflation they are worth less than you
started with. Junk paper.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On 7/30/2011 11:28 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/


1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?

YUP

On 30/07/2011 2:44 PM, Beach Bum wrote:
On 7/30/2011 11:28 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/



1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?

YUP

Not afloat, onto welfare. Huge difference between making a good healthy
business environment and a corporate corruption welfare package.

No reason for GE to pay slave taxes for GM, Citibank, Goldman Sachs and
others when they can just leave.

Best part of not being a dependent fleabagger business or person, is you
can always leave the greed persecution.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

In article , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/



1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm

On 30/07/2011 4:27 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/



1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm

Employers might not offer them any more, the yield isn't worth the paper
it is written on. $1000 over a year might only have a yield of $1 or $2
if your lucky.

Only reason to use them is if it is used as an aid to accumulate money
on a time per check basis, pretty hard to invest $100, but $10,000 --
just buy a dividend yielding blue chip like COP or KFT or one of dozens
of others.
--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.