On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

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Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

On 7/24/2011 10:47 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.

At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.


Home ownership is nothing without equity. Some folks become homeowners
for a short while then walk away. because they couldn't afford the house
in the first place or lost a job. That's not the American dream.
You are usually right on the money, but "tacit reaffirmation" is pure
bull****.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

Not according to some right-wing assholes in Congress, however.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

I'm not knocking home ownership. I think it's great. But, if the mortgage interest deduction were
removed, I still think people would want to buy a home. I don't think that would change. However,
for many people, the cost would have to come down far enough to offset the lack of the interest
deduction.

On 7/24/2011 2:43 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.

At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.
I'm not knocking home ownership. I think it's great. But, if the mortgage interest deduction were
removed, I still think people would want to buy a home. I don't think that would change. However,
for many people, the cost would have to come down far enough to offset the lack of the interest
deduction.
Either that or buy less house.There is no law that says you must buy the
most expensive house you qualify for. People and governments should live
within their means. After the dot com bubble burst, a lot of folks
American Dream went up in smoke. Similar thing is happening now except
the government is to blame this time. Allow jobs to go off shore. That
ain't good. Encourage people to spend what they don't have. That ain't
good. Force banks to write shaky loans. That ain't good. Believing
Senator Barney when he says everything is fine with Fanny and Freddy.
That ain't good. Bailing out the banks and letting them horde the money.
That ain't good. Paying out ridiculous bonuses to Wall St. execs. That
ain't good. Starting wars without even informing Congress. That really
ain't good.
The only ray of sunshine I see is the election isn't too far away. I
hope we've learned from our mistakes

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:43:29 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

I'm not knocking home ownership. I think it's great. But, if the mortgage interest deduction were
removed, I still think people would want to buy a home. I don't think that would change. However,
for many people, the cost would have to come down far enough to offset the lack of the interest
deduction.

I don't disagree. One thing in favor of the current policy is that
because interest payments front load into the early years of the
mortgage, buyers receive the greatest benefit from the deduction when
they need it most. Boats are a little different since they are
typically financed over a much shorter period of time and are a luxury
item with no overall benefit to society much as I hate to say it.
Still, it's not fair to people who financed a boat with the
expectation of deductible interest to have the rug yanked out from
under them.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:37:38 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:43:29 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

I'm not knocking home ownership. I think it's great. But, if the mortgage interest deduction were
removed, I still think people would want to buy a home. I don't think that would change. However,
for many people, the cost would have to come down far enough to offset the lack of the interest
deduction.

I don't disagree. One thing in favor of the current policy is that
because interest payments front load into the early years of the
mortgage, buyers receive the greatest benefit from the deduction when
they need it most. Boats are a little different since they are
typically financed over a much shorter period of time and are a luxury
item with no overall benefit to society much as I hate to say it.
Still, it's not fair to people who financed a boat with the
expectation of deductible interest to have the rug yanked out from
under them.

Amen, especially if, as in your case, the boat really *is* used as a second home.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:43:29 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

I'm not knocking home ownership. I think it's great. But, if the mortgage interest deduction were
removed, I still think people would want to buy a home. I don't think that would change. However,
for many people, the cost would have to come down far enough to offset the lack of the interest
deduction.

Some maybe, but it would be a huge disincentive.

On 7/24/2011 4:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:43:29 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.

At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.
I'm not knocking home ownership. I think it's great. But, if the mortgage interest deduction were
removed, I still think people would want to buy a home. I don't think that would change. However,
for many people, the cost would have to come down far enough to offset the lack of the interest
deduction.
Some maybe, but it would be a huge disincentive.
How do you know?

On 24/07/2011 12:43 PM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

I'm not knocking home ownership. I think it's great. But, if the mortgage interest deduction were
removed, I still think people would want to buy a home. I don't think that would change. However,
for many people, the cost would have to come down far enough to offset the lack of the interest
deduction.

They do in Canada. In fact, the wealthiest Canadians I know all have
their homes free and clear of debt for some time. After your last
mortgage payment, you begin to pay yourself to live in your own home.
Real wealth builder strategy.
--
Obama, enslaving Americans with debt-tax slavery for a spending binge.
Doesn't even borrow real money, Bernanke just creates it like a
counterfeiter. .