On Jul 23, 9:44*pm, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/23/2011 9:35 PM, wrote:







On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:58:14 -0400,
wrote:

On 7/23/11 7:55 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/23/2011 7:45 PM, John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3r5l8ur

I wonder if the Democrats realize that it doesn't take a 'yacht' to
have a head, stove, and bed.
Hell, I had that in my 21' Proline.

If they want to do away with a second home mortgage interest
deduction, then do it for *all* second
homes.
All boats and all second homes over a certain value...that'll do it.
What if you travel around in an RV and trailer a boat?

What if you live on your large yacht and have a very big dinghy?

LOL

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.

At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

On 7/24/2011 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:44 pm, Florida wrote:
On 7/23/2011 9:35 PM, wrote:







On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:58:14 -0400,
wrote:
On 7/23/11 7:55 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/23/2011 7:45 PM, John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3r5l8ur
I wonder if the Democrats realize that it doesn't take a 'yacht' to
have a head, stove, and bed.
Hell, I had that in my 21' Proline.
If they want to do away with a second home mortgage interest
deduction, then do it for *all* second
homes.
All boats and all second homes over a certain value...that'll do it.
What if you travel around in an RV and trailer a boat?
What if you live on your large yacht and have a very big dinghy?
LOL
Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.
At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
Fair would be nice.

There is no housing market currently.

Why should the IRS be involved in giving perks for taxpayers receiving
loans?

At current loan rates, are we talking a lot of money in interest deductions?

The IRS is trying to manipulate our lives with deductions, exemptions,
and credits.
*It's not fair*

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:45:25 -0400, Florida Jim wrote:

On 7/24/2011 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:44 pm, Florida wrote:
On 7/23/2011 9:35 PM, wrote:







On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:58:14 -0400,
wrote:
On 7/23/11 7:55 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/23/2011 7:45 PM, John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3r5l8ur
I wonder if the Democrats realize that it doesn't take a 'yacht' to
have a head, stove, and bed.
Hell, I had that in my 21' Proline.
If they want to do away with a second home mortgage interest
deduction, then do it for *all* second
homes.
All boats and all second homes over a certain value...that'll do it.
What if you travel around in an RV and trailer a boat?
What if you live on your large yacht and have a very big dinghy?
LOL
Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.
At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
Fair would be nice.

Agreed.

There is no housing market currently.

Actually there is, but it would get a hell of a lot worse without the interest deduction.

Why should the IRS be involved in giving perks for taxpayers receiving
loans?

Already discussed. The IRS didn't do it, our presidents and congressfolk did it.

At current loan rates, are we talking a lot of money in interest deductions?

Well, look at this:

Basic info
Interest rate [?] 4.250%
APR (annual percentage rate) [?] 4.560%
Loan type [?] 30-year fixed
Points [?] 0.500
Loan amount [?] $400,000
Pre-payment penalty [?] None
Lock period [?] 30 days
Monthly payment
Principal & interest [?] $1,967

Now, $400,000 divided by 360 payments gives $1111 as the amount towards principal, which would leave
$856 of interest paid each month. That would give me a deduction of $10,272. That's a pretty
significant deduction.

The IRS is trying to manipulate our lives with deductions, exemptions,
and credits.

Not the IRS, your president and congressfolk.

*It's not fair*

That's what I said up front!

On 7/24/2011 10:03 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:45:25 -0400, Florida wrote:

On 7/24/2011 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:44 pm, Florida wrote:
On 7/23/2011 9:35 PM, wrote:







On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:58:14 -0400,
wrote:
On 7/23/11 7:55 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/23/2011 7:45 PM, John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3r5l8ur
I wonder if the Democrats realize that it doesn't take a 'yacht' to
have a head, stove, and bed.
Hell, I had that in my 21' Proline.
If they want to do away with a second home mortgage interest
deduction, then do it for *all* second
homes.
All boats and all second homes over a certain value...that'll do it.
What if you travel around in an RV and trailer a boat?
What if you live on your large yacht and have a very big dinghy?
LOL
Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.
At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
Fair would be nice.

Agreed.

There is no housing market currently.

Actually there is, but it would get a hell of a lot worse without the interest deduction.

Why should the IRS be involved in giving perks for taxpayers receiving
loans?

Already discussed. The IRS didn't do it, our presidents and congressfolk did it.

At current loan rates, are we talking a lot of money in interest deductions?
Well, look at this:

Basic info
Interest rate [?] 4.250%
APR (annual percentage rate) [?] 4.560%
Loan type [?] 30-year fixed
Points [?] 0.500
Loan amount [?] $400,000
Pre-payment penalty [?] None
Lock period [?] 30 days
Monthly payment
Principal& interest [?] $1,967

Now, $400,000 divided by 360 payments gives $1111 as the amount towards principal, which would leave
$856 of interest paid each month. That would give me a deduction of $10,272. That's a pretty
significant deduction.
The IRS is trying to manipulate our lives with deductions, exemptions,
and credits.
Not the IRS, your president and congressfolk.

*It's not fair*
That's what I said up front!

Geeze man. A 400k loan? That would buy Harry's house. Anyone that can
afford Harry's lifestyle shouldn't be worrying about interest deductions.

A $10000 deduction in the 25% bracket would yield only $2500 reduction
in tax.

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:45:25 -0400, Florida Jim wrote:

On 7/24/2011 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:44 pm, Florida wrote:
On 7/23/2011 9:35 PM, wrote:







On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:58:14 -0400,
wrote:
On 7/23/11 7:55 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/23/2011 7:45 PM, John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3r5l8ur
I wonder if the Democrats realize that it doesn't take a 'yacht' to
have a head, stove, and bed.
Hell, I had that in my 21' Proline.
If they want to do away with a second home mortgage interest
deduction, then do it for *all* second
homes.
All boats and all second homes over a certain value...that'll do it.
What if you travel around in an RV and trailer a boat?
What if you live on your large yacht and have a very big dinghy?
LOL
Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.
At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
Fair would be nice.

Agreed.

There is no housing market currently.

Actually there is, but it would get a hell of a lot worse without the interest deduction.

Why should the IRS be involved in giving perks for taxpayers receiving
loans?

Already discussed. The IRS didn't do it, our presidents and congressfolk did it.

At current loan rates, are we talking a lot of money in interest deductions?

Well, look at this:

Basic info
Interest rate [?] 4.250%
APR (annual percentage rate) [?] 4.560%
Loan type [?] 30-year fixed
Points [?] 0.500
Loan amount [?] $400,000
Pre-payment penalty [?] None
Lock period [?] 30 days
Monthly payment
Principal & interest [?] $1,967

Now, $400,000 divided by 360 payments gives $1111 as the amount towards principal, which would leave
$856 of interest paid each month. That would give me a deduction of $10,272. That's a pretty
significant deduction.

The IRS is trying to manipulate our lives with deductions, exemptions,
and credits.

Not the IRS, your president and congressfolk.

*It's not fair*

That's what I said up front!

Bugger off for awhile.

On 24/07/2011 8:03 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:45:25 -0400, Florida wrote:

On 7/24/2011 9:15 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:44 pm, Florida wrote:
On 7/23/2011 9:35 PM, wrote:







On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:58:14 -0400,
wrote:
On 7/23/11 7:55 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/23/2011 7:45 PM, John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3r5l8ur
I wonder if the Democrats realize that it doesn't take a 'yacht' to
have a head, stove, and bed.
Hell, I had that in my 21' Proline.
If they want to do away with a second home mortgage interest
deduction, then do it for *all* second
homes.
All boats and all second homes over a certain value...that'll do it.
What if you travel around in an RV and trailer a boat?
What if you live on your large yacht and have a very big dinghy?
LOL
Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.
At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
Fair would be nice.

Agreed.

There is no housing market currently.

Actually there is, but it would get a hell of a lot worse without the interest deduction.

Why should the IRS be involved in giving perks for taxpayers receiving
loans?

Already discussed. The IRS didn't do it, our presidents and congressfolk did it.

At current loan rates, are we talking a lot of money in interest deductions?

Well, look at this:

Basic info
Interest rate [?] 4.250%
APR (annual percentage rate) [?] 4.560%
Loan type [?] 30-year fixed
Points [?] 0.500
Loan amount [?] $400,000
Pre-payment penalty [?] None
Lock period [?] 30 days
Monthly payment
Principal& interest [?] $1,967

Now, $400,000 divided by 360 payments gives $1111 as the amount towards principal, which would leave
$856 of interest paid each month. That would give me a deduction of $10,272. That's a pretty
significant deduction.

The IRS is trying to manipulate our lives with deductions, exemptions,
and credits.

Not the IRS, your president and congressfolk.

*It's not fair*

That's what I said up front!

Not really quite correct. $400K mortgage @ 4.5% over 30 years is about
$329.6K in interest plus the principle of $400K. A financial commitment
of $730K.

Your mortgage deductibility is determined by the interest portion of the
$2027 monthly payment, which is almost $17.9K deductibility the first
year and $582 the last year.

People bitch about not being rich need to know you can't be truly rich
and in debt. Debt costs money for no other value than the advance of money.

But how many would guess if in the 2nd year of the mortgage, you put
just $10K extra down on the principle, keep the payments the same, you
would save $26K? Easiest money you would ever save. As it is all that
interest that makes you poor and banks rich.

--
Obama, enslaving Americans with debt-tax slavery for a spending binge.
Doesn't even borrow real money, Bernanke just creates it like a
counterfeiter. .

On Jul 24, 1:03*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:03:03 -0400, John H
wrote:

Now, $400,000 divided by 360 payments gives $1111 as the amount towards principal, which would leave
$856 of interest paid each month. That would give me a deduction of $10,272. That's a pretty
significant deduction.

That is not how interest works.
You will be paying more like $1417 the first month and it will go down
slightly from there over the loan because you are paying the interest
on the unpaid balance.
Your first year's interest will be more like $17000.

I have a spread sheet I could run to give you the monthly
interest/principle amount for each payment that I put together for a
friend that I loaned the money to buy their first house.

That's OK. I think I was calculating average interest, not front
loaded.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

On 7/24/2011 10:47 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.

At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.
===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.


Home ownership is nothing without equity. Some folks become homeowners
for a short while then walk away. because they couldn't afford the house
in the first place or lost a job. That's not the American dream.
You are usually right on the money, but "tacit reaffirmation" is pure
bull****.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:47:58 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

Eliminate all mortgage interest deductions. That'll do it better.



At least it would be fair across the board. Might not be popular and
might have a somewhat detrimental impact on the housing market. It
would probably help the rental market though.

===========

Home ownership has always been part of the American dream and the
interest rate deduction is a tacit reaffirmation of that goal.
Without question home ownership leads to a more stable citizenship and
increased two parent family formation. Those were worthwhile goals at
the time and still are.

Not according to some right-wing assholes in Congress, however.