I'm a sorta big guy at 220# and 6'-2". My primary boat is an Outer
Island ... which is superb. But ... I've always liked the Valley
Pintail. Yes, I've paddled it and ... yes, I fit in just fine and yes,
freeboard is fine too (I've never bought in to manufactures volume and
weight limit claims).

If you're about my size ... and you live with a Pintail ... what are
your opinions of it?

Thanks!

Ken

Interesting Ken. We're about the same size and I wasn't able to paddle the
Pintail. My wife test paddled it, but it was a bit too tight for me.
I'll be interested in seeing your replies to this one.

Good luck!
Wade

Ps: for what it's worth, I ended up buying a NDK Poseidon and haven't
regreted it.


"Ken" wrote in message
om...
I'm a sorta big guy at 220# and 6'-2". My primary boat is an Outer
Island ... which is superb. But ... I've always liked the Valley
Pintail. Yes, I've paddled it and ... yes, I fit in just fine and yes,
freeboard is fine too (I've never bought in to manufactures volume and
weight limit claims).

If you're about my size ... and you live with a Pintail ... what are
your opinions of it?

Thanks!

Ken

195 lbs 5'11" Skerray RMX -
http://www.rapidstyle.com/GRO/boatspages/boatref.html
First seakayak. Need to fine tune the cockpit outfitting but works for
me. No major open water yet.

Steve

On 9/29/2003 9:57 PM, Wade Norton wrote:

Interesting Ken. We're about the same size and I wasn't able to paddle the
Pintail. My wife test paddled it, but it was a bit too tight for me.
I'll be interested in seeing your replies to this one.

Good luck!
Wade

Ps: for what it's worth, I ended up buying a NDK Poseidon and haven't
regreted it.


"Ken" wrote in message
om...

I'm a sorta big guy at 220# and 6'-2". My primary boat is an Outer
Island ... which is superb. But ... I've always liked the Valley
Pintail. Yes, I've paddled it and ... yes, I fit in just fine and yes,
freeboard is fine too (I've never bought in to manufactures volume and
weight limit claims).

If you're about my size ... and you live with a Pintail ... what are
your opinions of it?

Thanks!

Ken

Wade,

I like the Poseidon as well, it's a good solid craft ... unfortunately
it just doesn't inspire me that much. I was gonna buy a Poseidon for
my third kayak but the Pintail is faster, turns better, is at least as
good in rough water, surfs great and ... I have way more fun in it
than the Poseidon. At my size, the Pintail isn't exactly roomy but
neither is my low volume Outer Island. The Pintail has just always
made this "Come play with me!" impression on me.

When you paddled the Pintail ... what didn't you like about it?

Thanks!

Ken

"Wade Norton" wrote in message news:Pp5eb.636955$o%2.293884@sccrnsc02...
Interesting Ken. We're about the same size and I wasn't able to paddle the
Pintail. My wife test paddled it, but it was a bit too tight for me.
I'll be interested in seeing your replies to this one.

Good luck!
Wade

Ps: for what it's worth, I ended up buying a NDK Poseidon and haven't
regreted it.

When you paddled the Pintail ... what didn't you like about it?
Thanks!
Ken

Ken, I didn't paddle the Pintail. I decided it would be too small for me
and didn't even give it a try. My wife paddled it and decided it was more
boat than she could deal with grin.

Wade





"Wade Norton" wrote in message
news:Pp5eb.636955$o%2.293884@sccrnsc02...
Interesting Ken. We're about the same size and I wasn't able to paddle
the
Pintail. My wife test paddled it, but it was a bit too tight for me.
I'll be interested in seeing your replies to this one.

Good luck!
Wade

Ps: for what it's worth, I ended up buying a NDK Poseidon and haven't
regreted it.

Ken wrote:

Wade,

I like the Poseidon as well, it's a good solid craft ... unfortunately
it just doesn't inspire me that much. I was gonna buy a Poseidon for
my third kayak but the Pintail is faster, turns better, is at least as
good in rough water, surfs great and ... I have way more fun in it
than the Poseidon. At my size, the Pintail isn't exactly roomy but
neither is my low volume Outer Island. The Pintail has just always
made this "Come play with me!" impression on me.

That's the allure of the Pintail

When you paddled the Pintail ... what didn't you like about it?

I'm smaller than you (6', 175#) and have owned a Pintail for a couple of years. It's my go-to boat for
rough water and rock play. It's a great boat and I wouldn't be without one. However, there are only two
downsides to it, performance-wise:

- It's SLOW. It paddles fine up to 4 knots or so, then hits a wall...hard. This is especially noticeable
on flat water, but on rough water, it keeps up with faster boats pretty well. I also have an Anas Acuta
(same length, rocker, etc.) and it doesn't exhibit this behavior to the same degree. If the Pintail is
slower than the Poseidon, the latter must be a real pig!

- With the skeg up, the bow hunts around like a bird dog in a corn field. The running joke is that on a
given trip, Pintail owners paddle twice as far, since their boats never go in a straight line. ;-) I
find I end up paddling with the skeg 1/4 down, except when playing in the rough stuff. This seems to be
common among Pintail owners who prefer not to have to correct the boat's course constantly.

There are two distinct versions of the Pintail, aside from the ocean cockpit/kehole cockpit options.
Older boats have flat aft decks and a very rounded hull. Newer boats have arched aft decks and fuller,
squarer bilges. The Pintail "afficionados" I paddle with seem to prefer the older boats, as do I, but at
your weight and height, the newer version may suit you better..

--
Regards

Brian

Hi Brian
Since the Pintail is your all around play boat, and you have had the Anus
Acuda for awile now too. How do you see the Anus Acuda fitting into a
personal fleet? I thought about buying one, but bought a Pintail instead,
do the two have atributes which make you prefer to boat the Anus Acuda
sometimes instead of the Pintail?

Roy



"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...


Ken wrote:

Wade,

I like the Poseidon as well, it's a good solid craft ... unfortunately
it just doesn't inspire me that much. I was gonna buy a Poseidon for
my third kayak but the Pintail is faster, turns better, is at least as
good in rough water, surfs great and ... I have way more fun in it
than the Poseidon. At my size, the Pintail isn't exactly roomy but
neither is my low volume Outer Island. The Pintail has just always
made this "Come play with me!" impression on me.

That's the allure of the Pintail

When you paddled the Pintail ... what didn't you like about it?

I'm smaller than you (6', 175#) and have owned a Pintail for a couple of
years. It's my go-to boat for
rough water and rock play. It's a great boat and I wouldn't be without
one. However, there are only two
downsides to it, performance-wise:

- It's SLOW. It paddles fine up to 4 knots or so, then hits a wall...hard.
This is especially noticeable
on flat water, but on rough water, it keeps up with faster boats pretty
well. I also have an Anas Acuta
(same length, rocker, etc.) and it doesn't exhibit this behavior to the
same degree. If the Pintail is
slower than the Poseidon, the latter must be a real pig!

- With the skeg up, the bow hunts around like a bird dog in a corn field.
The running joke is that on a
given trip, Pintail owners paddle twice as far, since their boats never go
in a straight line. ;-) I
find I end up paddling with the skeg 1/4 down, except when playing in the
rough stuff. This seems to be
common among Pintail owners who prefer not to have to correct the boat's
course constantly.

There are two distinct versions of the Pintail, aside from the ocean
cockpit/kehole cockpit options.
Older boats have flat aft decks and a very rounded hull. Newer boats have
arched aft decks and fuller,
squarer bilges. The Pintail "afficionados" I paddle with seem to prefer
the older boats, as do I, but at
your weight and height, the newer version may suit you better..

--
Regards

Brian

martins wrote:

Hi Brian
Since the Pintail is your all around play boat, and you have had the Anus
Acuda for awile now too. How do you see the Anus Acuda fitting into a
personal fleet? I thought about buying one, but bought a Pintail instead,
do the two have atributes which make you prefer to boat the Anus Acuda
sometimes instead of the Pintail?

I've had the Anas Acuta since January and I'm really enjoying it. I use it more
than the Pintail these days. I prefer the Pintail when I know I'm going to be
playing in rocks, since it's rounded hull is less prone to damage than the hard
chines of the Anas. The Anas feels a bit faster and I like the fit of the
narrower boat better. In terms of handling, they're very similar on one could
easily interchange them for most purposes.

--
Regards

Brian

Thanks Brian
This has been a point of discussion around my house for quite awile
Best wishes in all things
Roy


"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...


martins wrote:

Hi Brian
Since the Pintail is your all around play boat, and you have had the
Anus
Acuda for awile now too. How do you see the Anus Acuda fitting into a
personal fleet? I thought about buying one, but bought a Pintail
instead,
do the two have atributes which make you prefer to boat the Anus Acuda
sometimes instead of the Pintail?

I've had the Anas Acuta since January and I'm really enjoying it. I use it
more
than the Pintail these days. I prefer the Pintail when I know I'm going to
be
playing in rocks, since it's rounded hull is less prone to damage than the
hard
chines of the Anas. The Anas feels a bit faster and I like the fit of the
narrower boat better. In terms of handling, they're very similar on one
could
easily interchange them for most purposes.

--
Regards

Brian

martins wrote:

Thanks Brian
This has been a point of discussion around my house for quite awile

If you have any other questions, drop me a line.

Best wishes in all things

You too, Roy

--
Regards

Brian