On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:21:33 -0400, Jay wrote:

On 6/27/2011 8:29 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:57:34 -0400, John
wrote:

Is this a fairy tale or not. Just curious.


yeah. can you imagine

he's black

Stop it already. You needn't say more. We're convinced you're a lunatic.

i notice you said not one word about the FACTS i presented, in
comparison to your deluded right wing lies

On 27/06/2011 3:57 PM, John H wrote:
Is this a fairy tale or not. Just curious.

And it came to pass in the Age of Insanity that the people of the land
Called America , having lost their morals, their initiative, and their
Will to defend their liberties, chose as their Supreme Leader that
Person known as "The One."

He emerged from the vapors with a message that had no meaning; but He
Hypnotized the people telling them, "I am sent to save you." My lack
Of experience, my questionable ethics, my monstrous ego, and my
Association with evil doers are of no consequence. I shall save you
With Hope and Change. Go, therefore, and proclaim throughout the
Land that he who proceeded me is evil, that he has defiled the nation,
And that all he has built must be destroyed. And the people rejoiced,
For even though they knew not what "The One" would do, he had promised
That it was good; and they believed. And "The One" said " We live in
The greatest country in the world. Help me change everything about it!"
And the people said, "Hallelujah! Change is good!"
Then He said, "We are going to tax the rich fat-cats." And the
People said "Sock it to them!" "And redistribute their wealth." And
The people said, "Show us the money!" And the he said, "
Redistribution of wealth is good for everybody.."

And Joe the plumber asked, " Are you kidding me? You're going to
Steal my money and give it to the deadbeats??" And "The One"
Ridiculed and taunted him, and Joe's personal records were hacked and publicized.
One lone reporter asked, "Isn't that Marxist policy?" And she was
Banished from the Kingdom's press corps ".

Then a citizen asked, "With no foreign relations experience and
Having zero military experience or knowledge, how will you deal with
Radical terrorists?" And "The One" said, "Simple. I shall sit with
Them and talk with them and show them how nice we really are; and they
Will forget that they ever wanted to kill us all!" And the people
Said, "Hallelujah!! We are safe at last, and we can beat our weapons
Into free cars for the people!"

Then "The One" said "I shall give 95% of you lower taxes." And one,
lone voice said, "But 40% of us don't pay ANY taxes." So "The One"
said, "Then I shall give you some of the taxes the fat-cats pay!"
And the people said, "Hallelujah! Show us the money!"

Then "The One" said, "I shall tax your Capital Gains when you sell
your homes!" And the people yawned and the slumping housing market
collapsed. And He said. "I shall mandate employer-funded health care
for every worker and raise the minimum wage. And I shall give every
person unlimited healthcare and medicine and transportation to the
clinics." And the people said, "Give me some of that!"
Then he said, "I shall penalize employers who ship jobs overseas."
And the people said, "Where's my rebate check?"

Then "The One" said, "I shall bankrupt the coal industry and
electricity rates will skyrocket!" And the people said, "Coal is
dirty, coal is evil, no more coal! But we don't care for that part
about higher electric rates." So "The One" said, Not to worry. If
your rebate isn't enough to cover your expenses, we shall bail you out.
Just sign up with the ACORN and you troubles are over!"

Then He said, "Illegal immigrants feel scorned and slighted. Let's
grant them amnesty, Social Security, free education, free lunches,
free medical care, bi-lingual signs and guaranteed housing..." And
the people said, "Hallelujah!" and they made him king!

And so it came to pass that employers, facing spiraling costs and
ever-higher taxes, raised their prices and laid off workers. Others
simply gave up and went out of business and the economy sank like unto
a rock dropped from a cliff.
The banking industry was destroyed. Manufacturing slowed to a
crawl. And more of the people were without a means of support.

Then "The One" said, "I am the "the Chosen One"- The Messiah - and I'm here
to save you! We shall just print more money so everyone will have
enough!" But our foreign trading partners said unto Him. "Wait a
minute. Your dollar is not worth a pile of camel dung! You will have
to pay more... And "The One" said, "Wait a minute. That is
not fair!!"

And the world said, "Neither are these other idiotic
programs you have embraced. Lo, you have become a Socialist state and
a second-rate power. Now you shall play by our rules!"

And the people cried out, "Alas, alas!! What have we done?" But yea
verily, it was too late. The people set upon The One and spat upon
him and stoned him, and his name was dung. And the once mighty nation
was no more; and the once proud people were without sustenance or
shelter or hope. And the Change "The One" had given them was as like
unto a poison that had destroyed them and like a whirlwind that
consumed all that they had built.

And the people beat their chests in despair and cried out in anguish,
"give us back our nation and our pride and our hope!!" But it was too
late, and their homeland was no more.

Could this be happening right now? Just curious.

Some say the anti-Christ. Add in the middle east mess.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 27/06/2011 8:26 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:40:16 -0400,
wrote:


Last week, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office posited that if
the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy were allowed to expire, we'd be rid of
the deficit by 2016.

That seems the least painful way to resolve our budgetary problems.

the right would never go for it. tax the rich?? WTF??

Rich to the left is anyone that has more than they have. Which isn't
hard to do.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On 6/28/11 12:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/06/2011 3:57 PM, John H wrote:


Some say the anti-Christ. Add in the middle east mess.


If there is an anti-christ, he would be a conservative republican. If
you think otherwise, I suggest you have someone explain the sermon on
the mount to you. Jesus would have little use for today's conservative
republicans, despite what they say about themselves.

--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:13:45 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 27/06/2011 8:26 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:40:16 -0400,
wrote:


Last week, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office posited that if
the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy were allowed to expire, we'd be rid of
the deficit by 2016.

That seems the least painful way to resolve our budgetary problems.

the right would never go for it. tax the rich?? WTF??

Rich to the left is anyone that has more than they have. Which isn't
hard to do.

miiddle class, to the wealthy, is anyone making more than 5M/year. and
they believe only the middle class should get tax cuts

On 28/06/2011 10:47 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/28/11 12:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/06/2011 3:57 PM, John H wrote:


Some say the anti-Christ. Add in the middle east mess.


If there is an anti-christ, he would be a conservative republican. If
you think otherwise, I suggest you have someone explain the sermon on
the mount to you. Jesus would have little use for today's conservative
republicans, despite what they say about themselves.

Paying your debts is honorable and means integrity.

Racking up debts enslaving people for generations with debt is
dishonorable and no integrity in that.

Keep on fleabagger. The most selfish people around are fleabaggers
ignoring their dysfunctional behavior because the truth it to hard for
them too look at. That is, fleabaggers are selfish, undisciplined,
irrational losers and are only happy screwing others with debt. And
when they don't get their way, they whine.

--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:47:08 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

On 6/28/11 12:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/06/2011 3:57 PM, John H wrote:


Some say the anti-Christ. Add in the middle east mess.


If there is an anti-christ, he would be a conservative republican. If
you think otherwise, I suggest you have someone explain the sermon on
the mount to you. Jesus would have little use for today's conservative
republicans, despite what they say about themselves.

I've always wondered which person Jesus would have screwed out of
their home.

On 28/06/2011 9:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:47:08 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/28/11 12:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/06/2011 3:57 PM, John H wrote:


Some say the anti-Christ. Add in the middle east mess.


If there is an anti-christ, he would be a conservative republican. If
you think otherwise, I suggest you have someone explain the sermon on
the mount to you. Jesus would have little use for today's conservative
republicans, despite what they say about themselves.

I've always wondered which person Jesus would have screwed out of
their home.

The reality of Jesus is simple. Mary was his mother and not a virgin
either. Like Obama, he walked around touting verses and prophecies,
commandments and a religion...for money to people seeking hope and
guidance, not just indentured servitude. Sort of like a wandering
vagabond selling mouth for a place to stay before moving on to see more
of the world.

Leaders recognized the people followed him, and out of the need for
totalitarian control, nailed him up as an example. The going into a
cave and reemerging, just a good fantasy story.

Differences emerged in 640 over Jesus times were they were sick of being
slave. A similar character, not a prophet but a barbarian called
Mohammad decided to adapt the religion to include governance and
specific ways of daily life and thus began Islam to unify the peasant
people against invaders. Works pretty good to this day too as it is
marriage of state, family, law and fascism via passive resistance and
infiltration. Nice brainwashing. Which is really what religion is about.

Religion has for centuries been used by the powerful and sociopath
leaders to be a method of managing the herd. Nothing more. Man has so
screwed up religion it is just a huge fraud.

But religion is good for those that cannot cope with a wider universe,
larger realities and still think the universe rotates around Jerusalem.
Think, the Catholic church once thought the world was flat and
persecuted those who thought differently. Heritic one day, saint the
next. More like mafia gives money, sin for six and repent for one. A
homage tax for sin relief. Not much different for Islam, I get the
harem and the peasants support me in the name of Islam...

All about herd control.
--
Government isn't the solution to the bad economy, it is the problem.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:54:28 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 28/06/2011 9:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:47:08 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/28/11 12:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/06/2011 3:57 PM, John H wrote:


Some say the anti-Christ. Add in the middle east mess.


If there is an anti-christ, he would be a conservative republican. If
you think otherwise, I suggest you have someone explain the sermon on
the mount to you. Jesus would have little use for today's conservative
republicans, despite what they say about themselves.

I've always wondered which person Jesus would have screwed out of
their home.

The reality of Jesus is simple. Mary was his mother and not a virgin
either. Like Obama, he walked around touting verses and prophecies,
commandments and a religion...for money to people seeking hope and
guidance, not just indentured servitude. Sort of like a wandering
vagabond selling mouth for a place to stay before moving on to see more
of the world.

Leaders recognized the people followed him, and out of the need for
totalitarian control, nailed him up as an example. The going into a
cave and reemerging, just a good fantasy story.

Differences emerged in 640 over Jesus times were they were sick of being
slave. A similar character, not a prophet but a barbarian called
Mohammad decided to adapt the religion to include governance and
specific ways of daily life and thus began Islam to unify the peasant
people against invaders. Works pretty good to this day too as it is
marriage of state, family, law and fascism via passive resistance and
infiltration. Nice brainwashing. Which is really what religion is about.

Religion has for centuries been used by the powerful and sociopath
leaders to be a method of managing the herd. Nothing more. Man has so
screwed up religion it is just a huge fraud.

But religion is good for those that cannot cope with a wider universe,
larger realities and still think the universe rotates around Jerusalem.
Think, the Catholic church once thought the world was flat and
persecuted those who thought differently. Heritic one day, saint the
next. More like mafia gives money, sin for six and repent for one. A
homage tax for sin relief. Not much different for Islam, I get the
harem and the peasants support me in the name of Islam...

All about herd control.

You know nothing about faith and compassion, which is the essential
message of Jesus, Mohammad, the Buddha, etc.

On 6/29/2011 1:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:54:28 -0600,
wrote:

On 28/06/2011 9:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:47:08 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/28/11 12:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/06/2011 3:57 PM, John H wrote:


Some say the anti-Christ. Add in the middle east mess.


If there is an anti-christ, he would be a conservative republican. If
you think otherwise, I suggest you have someone explain the sermon on
the mount to you. Jesus would have little use for today's conservative
republicans, despite what they say about themselves.

I've always wondered which person Jesus would have screwed out of
their home.

The reality of Jesus is simple. Mary was his mother and not a virgin
either. Like Obama, he walked around touting verses and prophecies,
commandments and a religion...for money to people seeking hope and
guidance, not just indentured servitude. Sort of like a wandering
vagabond selling mouth for a place to stay before moving on to see more
of the world.

Leaders recognized the people followed him, and out of the need for
totalitarian control, nailed him up as an example. The going into a
cave and reemerging, just a good fantasy story.

Differences emerged in 640 over Jesus times were they were sick of being
slave. A similar character, not a prophet but a barbarian called
Mohammad decided to adapt the religion to include governance and
specific ways of daily life and thus began Islam to unify the peasant
people against invaders. Works pretty good to this day too as it is
marriage of state, family, law and fascism via passive resistance and
infiltration. Nice brainwashing. Which is really what religion is about.

Religion has for centuries been used by the powerful and sociopath
leaders to be a method of managing the herd. Nothing more. Man has so
screwed up religion it is just a huge fraud.

But religion is good for those that cannot cope with a wider universe,
larger realities and still think the universe rotates around Jerusalem.
Think, the Catholic church once thought the world was flat and
persecuted those who thought differently. Heritic one day, saint the
next. More like mafia gives money, sin for six and repent for one. A
homage tax for sin relief. Not much different for Islam, I get the
harem and the peasants support me in the name of Islam...

All about herd control.

You know nothing about faith and compassion, which is the essential
message of Jesus, Mohammad, the Buddha, etc.

Show us some compassion and get the ..ell out of here.