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World's Safest Whitewater Helmet
Wilko kayaker posted:
snip No matter how difficult the water was that his sons are/were paddling, to state that *all* white water paddling is extreme and dangerous is nonsense. That's what I'm having an issue with. snip Here are his words: "Thanks to a young man whose last day on the river was the beginning of something of real value; a gift of greater safety to many he will never know. Those who will come after him, down the twisting, thundering path of the whitewater will be able to rely on a helmet that will provide far greater protection in this extreme, dangerous, but rapidly growing sport." I did not take that to mean that *all* whitewater is extreme. Regardless, I don't think the Turners know any other kind. snip From what I've read in his message posted here and on the web, he doesn't impress me with his knowledge about our sport. snip And why should he? He tells how he got into this and does not claim to be a big water boater, or a marketing guru. If he wants his product to have some effect on the safety of our sport, it sure helps to make sure who his target audience is, and how he can approach them and interest them in his product. IMNSHO this isn't the way. Give the guy a little credit. I don't know him, he may not even be a paddler. He makes one post here offering to sell what he believes to be a safe and reliable paddling helmet (at cost of production), and he gets trashed and his helmet gets roundly critisized (I'm not talking about you here Wilko). Quite the reception for a guy who is trying to make a positive contribution to the sport. Ever seen Nurpu? Dennis |
World's Safest Whitewater Helmet
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World's Safest Whitewater Helmet
Paddlec1 wrote: Wilko posted: "Thanks to a young man whose last day on the river was the beginning of something of real value; a gift of greater safety to many he will never know. Those who will come after him, down the twisting, thundering path of the whitewater will be able to rely on a helmet that will provide far greater protection in this extreme, dangerous, but rapidly growing sport." I did not take that to mean that *all* whitewater is extreme. Regardless, I don't think the Turners know any other kind. Sorry Dennis, but I can only read from that they they consider all white water paddling is extreme and dangerous. As you point out, they may not know any other. That's a *very* small part of the community that they aim at... snip From what I've read in his message posted here and on the web, he doesn't impress me with his knowledge about our sport. snip And why should he? He tells how he got into this and does not claim to be a big water boater, or a marketing guru. He claims to have come up with the "world's safest whitewater helmet", without giving *any* arguments in to support his claim. He just puts a couple of populistic terms in his article to sell it, even though those terms aren't representative for our sport. If he doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to whitewater paddling, what customers (paddlers) he's aiming at, what does that say about his product? Who says that he does know what he's talking about with regard to that? I know other products that are sold as the world's best whatever, but I wouldn't buy a "Tell&Sell" white water helmet either... If he wants his product to have some effect on the safety of our sport, it sure helps to make sure who his target audience is, and how he can approach them and interest them in his product. IMNSHO this isn't the way. Give the guy a little credit. I don't know him, he may not even be a paddler. He makes one post here offering to sell what he believes to be a safe and reliable paddling helmet (at cost of production), and he gets trashed and his helmet gets roundly critisized (I'm not talking about you here Wilko). Quite the reception for a guy who is trying to make a positive contribution to the sport. He comes onto this forum, trying to market a product to a mostly knowledgable audience. His motives might be okay, but his advertising tactic isn't, and he could at least not try to insult our intelligence by coming up with unsubstantiated claims. If he wants to make a positive contribution, he could at least have done some research into our sport and realize what works and what doesn't. Ever seen Nurpu? Nope. Why? -- Wilko van den Bergh Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations. http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |
World's Safest Whitewater Helmet
lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: In article Brian Nystrom wrote: Go to his web site and read it for yourself. No need. I think that pretty much says it all, you prefer to remain ignorant of the subject you're attempting to debate. If you're too lazy to read the material and find the answers for yourself, don't expect me to spoon feed them to you. -- Regards Brian |
World's Safest Whitewater Helmet
Michael Daly posted:
snip I thought their post was over the top, and up to now have refrained from getting too involved, but I've got to say that supporting their hype is a bit much. snip Go watch Nurpu. Dennis |
World's Safest Whitewater Helmet
Wilko kayaker posted:
snip He comes onto this forum, trying to market a product to a mostly knowledgable audience. His motives might be okay, but his advertising tactic isn't, My understanding is that this is a nonproffit endevor. Who says he knows anything about marketing? If he were doing this for money he could hire a slick advertising firm. and he could at least not try to insult our intelligence by coming up with unsubstantiated claims. Untill someone holds one of those helmets in their hands they don't know any more about it than I do, which is zip. Who knows, could be a valid claim. If he wants to make a positive contribution, he could at least have done some research into our sport and realize what works and what doesn't. Research? He mentioned that his son Nick is assisting him. Go watch Nurpu. Dennis |
World's Safest Whitewater Helmet
Paddlec1 wrote: Wilko posted: He comes onto this forum, trying to market a product to a mostly knowledgable audience. His motives might be okay, but his advertising tactic isn't, My understanding is that this is a nonproffit endevor. Who says he knows anything about marketing? If he were doing this for money he could hire a slick advertising firm. For the impact and effect his post has, it doesn't matter that he does this for profit or not. The tone is doing his message more bad than good, and I don't think that could be his intention. and he could at least not try to insult our intelligence by coming up with unsubstantiated claims. Untill someone holds one of those helmets in their hands they don't know any more about it than I do, which is zip. Who knows, could be a valid claim. He makes a claim, it's up to him to substantiate it. If he wants to make a positive contribution, he could at least have done some research into our sport and realize what works and what doesn't. Research? He mentioned that his son Nick is assisting him. Go watch Nurpu. I don't need to watch a video to judge from a message whether or not someone has an accurate image of our sport. Depsite his son's experience, it seems that the father still hangs onto an image that in incongruous with reality. That does make me wonder about the validity of his claims wrt white water paddling equipment... -- Wilko van den Bergh Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations. http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |
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World's Safest Whitewater Helmet
peteg wrote:
While I sympathize with the parents on their son's death, I have to question why a paddler with this much experience and paddling very hard runs like the ones mentioned above (by the way Jacobs Ladder isn't 5++) was wearing a Protec helmet. Anyone with any experience should know that there are other helmets on the market which are more suitable for expert kayaking... Which helmets are these? Aside from Mike Fentress design with facemask, now unavailable, I haven't seen any kayaking helmets that impress me a whole lot. Many of them look like retro Hell's Angel's motorcycling helmets with limited coverage. |
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