Larry Cable ) writes:

I don't buy this line. Colemans are marketed to the first time buyer that
doesn't know squat about how a canoe should really perform. Do you know any
experienced canoeist that make a Coleman their first choice? Why? Is it because
they are snobs? How about that they are smart enough to realize that they can
get a far superior product for a couple of hundred more.

I don't know what you are basing those statements on but here in Ontario
there are families with generations of experience in small boats of all
kinds. My father was a prospector and my grandfather a trapper and guide.
They weren't farting about in expensive boats for a lark on their summer
vacations. We have a long standing tradtion hereabouts of waterfront
family cottages handed down from generation to generation. There are very
few first time buyers unless they are immigrants and I admit there are a
some of those. Coleman's sell to cottage owners who have more sense than
your trend following "canoeist".


If all you are doing is dinking around in the lake, these boats are
fine. That doesn't make them a particularly good buy or a good choice.
There are several reasonably priced boats that perform better. Even
the old Grummans, or Marathons, which every they call themselves these
days, are superior boats. What does a grummie cost these days?
SYOTR Larry C.

you can't buy those other boats with Canadian Tire money.


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I don't know what you are basing those statements on but here in Ontario
there are families with generations of experience in small boats of all
kinds. My father was a prospector and my grandfather a trapper and guide.
They weren't farting about in expensive boats for a lark on their summer
vacations. We have a long standing tradtion hereabouts of waterfront
family cottages handed down from generation to generation. There are very
few first time buyers unless they are immigrants and I admit there are a
some of those. Coleman's sell to cottage owners who have more sense than
your trend following "canoeist".

Curious, I used to vacation in Ontario as a kid and most of the cottages there
had beautiful wood and canvas canoes or Grummans (and this was no rich man's
hangout). Of course that was a long time ago.
But how does owning or recommending an Old Town rate as "trend following"?
I grew up as a farmer and was taught to buy what works and lasts. I have seen
the aluminum frame on many a Coleman bent from normal use. My OT has dings
from river use. But it has also served well as a fishing platform and lake
paddling boat and should last for as long as I will need it. When I spread the
cost out over 20 years, it should cost less than $50 per year (and it's already
9 years old so I might make 30 or more), few Colemans will last that long.
There is nothing wrong with a Coleman if you don't mind a slow fragile but
inexpensive boat. But its like using generic fishing line. It works, it's
cheap but it can break easier than Stren. Catch nothing but small fish and you
will be fine. Its not a matter of snobbery but priorities.

"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...

Coleman's sell to cottage owners who have more sense than
your trend following "canoeist".

No... Coleman sells to people that a a) ignorant of canoe design, and/or,
b) so cheap all they care about is the price.

If you're still happy with your Coleman after a lifetime of use, you deserve
it. (Just don't paddle a "real" canoe for a day and ruin your grand
illusion.)

You could easily buy a decent used canoe for the price of the Coleman that
will outperform and outlast it.

I think the original post was just a troll, anyhow....

Good paddling,
Bob Scott




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"Bob" wrote:
Coleman's sell to cottage owners who have more sense than
your trend following "canoeist".

No... Coleman sells to people that a a) ignorant of canoe design, and/or,
b) so cheap all they care about is the price.

Guess again, monkey-boy!

If you're still happy with your Coleman after a lifetime of use, you deserve
it. (Just don't paddle a "real" canoe for a day and ruin your grand
illusion.)


I have no illusions... I sinply have an inexpansive canoe that fits my needs perfectly (I just used it to circumnavigate and
fish the 188 acres of "Winton Woods Lake"... it was the perfect boat to slip over those mud flats and submerged logs).

You could easily buy a decent used canoe for the price of the Coleman that
will outperform and outlast it.

Prove it.

I think the original post was just a troll, anyhow....


Since it seems that I'm not...

"Garrison Hilliard" wrote:
I have no illusions... I sinply have an inexpansive canoe that fits my needs perfectly (I just used it to circumnavigate and
fish the 188 acres of "Winton Woods Lake"... it was the perfect boat to slip over those mud flats and submerged logs).

Just a little clarification here about Winton Woods - the info is at http://www.hamiltoncountyparks.org/parks/winton_woods/

I think the original post was just a troll, anyhow....

It wasn't.

"Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message
...

"Bob" wrote:
Coleman's sell to cottage owners who have more sense than
your trend following "canoeist".

No... Coleman sells to people that a a) ignorant of canoe design,
and/or,
b) so cheap all they care about is the price.

Guess again, monkey-boy!


I don't know you (or care to) but I get the impression you are an a**hole
that deserves to spend life paddling a crappy canoe.

Good paddling to you,
Bob




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"Garrison Hilliard" typed:

"Bob" wrote:
Coleman's sell to cottage owners who have more sense than
your trend following "canoeist".

No... Coleman sells to people that a a) ignorant of canoe design, and/or,
b) so cheap all they care about is the price.

Guess again, monkey-boy!

If you're still happy with your Coleman after a lifetime of use, you deserve
it. (Just don't paddle a "real" canoe for a day and ruin your grand
illusion.)


I have no illusions... I sinply have an inexpansive canoe that fits my needs perfectly (I just used it to circumnavigate and
fish the 188 acres of "Winton Woods Lake"... it was the perfect boat to slip over those mud flats and submerged logs).

You could easily buy a decent used canoe for the price of the Coleman that
will outperform and outlast it.

Prove it.

I think the original post was just a troll, anyhow....


Since it seems that I'm not...

Er, ah... it may seem to YOU that yer not. To the world at large, you
show all the classic signs.

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-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty

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