On 07/04/2011 3:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:46:00 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 9:39 AM, HarryisPaul wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:21:27 -0400,
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.


Just another crazy teahadist who hates America.

He'll really start hollering when *his* benefits start disappearing
though.

A smart person plans their retirement privately instead of counting on
the government to hold their hand.

Yep. I learned early, in my name, in my account, under my absolute
control and the rest is BS.

When asked company pension versus the newer 401K match for example, I
opted 401K (now in my IRA) and many said I was nuts. They are still
working and my IRA performance blows away the company plans so bad...

For example my IRA was 85% cash on the 2008 crash and come when the real
deals came in the spring....well... can't beat that.

Yep, in your name, in your account, under your absolute control because
the best person to trust is yourself.

I'm sure you're net worth is at least $100.

That would be my after tax hourly rate yep.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:59:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:46:00 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 9:39 AM, HarryisPaul wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:21:27 -0400,
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.


Just another crazy teahadist who hates America.

He'll really start hollering when *his* benefits start disappearing
though.

A smart person plans their retirement privately instead of counting on
the government to hold their hand.

Yep. I learned early, in my name, in my account, under my absolute
control and the rest is BS.

When asked company pension versus the newer 401K match for example, I
opted 401K (now in my IRA) and many said I was nuts. They are still
working and my IRA performance blows away the company plans so bad...

For example my IRA was 85% cash on the 2008 crash and come when the real
deals came in the spring....well... can't beat that.

Yep, in your name, in your account, under your absolute control because
the best person to trust is yourself.

I'm sure you're net worth is at least $100.

That would be my after tax hourly rate yep.

What dumdum. Net worth is a well-defined concept. Look it up. I'm even
including your single-wide trailer trash home.

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:04:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.

yeah he will.

until he takes an airplane flight without air traffic controllers

or until another terrorist attack

or until a nuclear meltdown happens because there are no NRC
inspectors

or until his kids get poisoned by food because the USDA isnt
inspecting food producers

or until veterans start dying because the VA hospitals shut down


Unless we sit firm on extreme budget cuts, we will have severe
inflation as the Dems method of paying for their runaway spending

let's see...the GOP caused the largest component of the deficit with
their tax cuts AND the medicare drug coverage program

but the right blames it on the dems because their leader is

black

but
soon nobody will allow them to continue borrowing. Inflation will be
their means of taxation. By this method, they will tax away the value
of all of the IRA and 401K plans in pvt hands to continue to pay
themselves and their union buddies.

let's see. in ONE year, wall street dropped the value of 401k's by 30%

in one year

and his solution is to turn our economy over to wall street.

how's that working out?


Unless we have extreme cuts now, there is no future to worry about.
Any savings you have will be useless. The dems will raise the tax
rate in upper income people and then after a few years we will ALL be
in that tax bracket due to inflation.

hey the upper income folks broke the economy. let them pay for it


Dems say they care about the underclass but in reality they are simply
trying to maintain their ability to take money out of the pockets of
those who work and give it to their friends in govt. It is time to
bring the gravy train to a halt by any means necessary.

meaningless. the rich dont work. the middle class does. the GOP wants
to reduce taxes on non working rich people and tax the middle class to
pay for it


Stand firm for extreme cuts now or learn to say "Yas massuh" to your
local govt bureaucrat.
This is a war and wars have casualties.

On 4/7/2011 5:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 3:07 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 4:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 2:41 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 3:56 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:22 pm, Lil wrote:
On 4/7/2011 11:04 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.

Unless we sit firm on extreme budget cuts, we will have severe
inflation as the Dems method of paying for their runaway spending
but
soon nobody will allow them to continue borrowing. Inflation will be
their means of taxation. By this method, they will tax away the
value
of all of the IRA and 401K plans in pvt hands to continue to pay
themselves and their union buddies.

Unless we have extreme cuts now, there is no future to worry about.
Any savings you have will be useless. The dems will raise the tax
rate in upper income people and then after a few years we will
ALL be
in that tax bracket due to inflation.

Dems say they care about the underclass but in reality they are
simply
trying to maintain their ability to take money out of the pockets of
those who work and give it to their friends in govt. It is time to
bring the gravy train to a halt by any means necessary.

Stand firm for extreme cuts now or learn to say "Yas massuh" to your
local govt bureaucrat.
This is a war and wars have casualties.

So Vets and SS Recipients are parasites?
Why aren't there any cuts in susidies for ethanol and giant
Agribusiness
and no taxes for foreign or Global Corporations that make their
money in
America on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic?

No, most vets and SS recips are good people, it is the bureaucrats who
are parasites. However, the mindset of relying on SS or even too much
vet care is a symptom of the cancer of too much govt and this has to
change.

When fighting a cancer, sometimes you attack the blood vessels that
feed it. In the case of the cancer riddling our govt, the blood
vessels carry money and shutting off the supply of money can reduce
the size of the cancer. Many of the cancer cells think they have a
right to exist but being dangerous, we should not worry about what
they think. If they were somewhere else, they would not be dangerous
but being part of the govt makes them cancerous.
Sometimes when fighting leukemia, we have to kill the entire supply of
cells (in this case the bone marrow) and by analogy we may have to
shut down the source of cancer cells, the govt itself and resurrect it
later by an infusion of clean cells.
If the cancer metastasizes, it is usually too late because it spreads
throughout the entire economic body damaging every organ it
encounters. In our society, this would mean that the sense of
entitlement spreads sufficiently that we cannot kill it off. It
requires ever more resources until the economic body dies.
In some ways, our economic situation is even more dire because the
cancer itself is semi-intelligent and has decided that keeping itself
alive is the purpose of the rest of the body so the body becomes a
slave to the parasitical cancer. Sometimes the cancer re-routes blood
vessels going to legit body parts thru itself causing damage to these
parts if the cancer is killed.
It is time for radical therapy, shut down the flow of money that
sustains the cancer and then we will have to be ever vigilant to
publicly identify new outbreaks and excise them. Many “good” cells
will die in the process but it is necessary for the body to survive.
Relying on Vet care. I never thought I would be in this situation. i
rely on it. I've tried to go outside. It's expensive. Insurance we
thought we had decided we didn't. Huge, to us bills.
Not relying on VA is not an option. Cost Effective thanks Bush.

Obama has already doubled in 27 months Bush's debt in 8 years. Obama is
a "In Debt We Trust!" president.

There is too much blame to shared by each or all sides.

Agreed. And at this point it does not mater. Going forward needs to be
fixed ASAP.

Until they stop Lobbying from Corporations and Special interest and
their dollars we are at their mercy.

Agreed. In reality lobbyists are really bribery and corruption.

They destroyed the real tax base of Midle America with good jobs and
good pay and benefits. No or reduced incomes means lot less tax dollars
to operate the Republic. Corporations that make their money in America
on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic are the blame too.

Yep, government revenue has imploded.

But the top 20% pays 80% of the taxes. Get over it. Low wage earners pay
very little.
I can't find the report but individual Income Taxes produce 45% of the
Treasury's income. Corporate Income taxes produce just 12%. The
difference comes from tariffs, excise taxes etc.
The biuun that they float around from time to time of being economically
abused is just so much BS. Most don't pay any US taxes. They generously
engineered loopholes and pay little of nothing. Even deferring taxes her
until the money is repatriated. It never is repatriated and when that
outfit is bought that money disappears.

On 07/04/2011 4:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:59:57 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:46:00 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 9:39 AM, HarryisPaul wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:21:27 -0400,
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.


Just another crazy teahadist who hates America.

He'll really start hollering when *his* benefits start disappearing
though.

A smart person plans their retirement privately instead of counting on
the government to hold their hand.

Yep. I learned early, in my name, in my account, under my absolute
control and the rest is BS.

When asked company pension versus the newer 401K match for example, I
opted 401K (now in my IRA) and many said I was nuts. They are still
working and my IRA performance blows away the company plans so bad...

For example my IRA was 85% cash on the 2008 crash and come when the real
deals came in the spring....well... can't beat that.

Yep, in your name, in your account, under your absolute control because
the best person to trust is yourself.

I'm sure you're net worth is at least $100.

That would be my after tax hourly rate yep.

What dumdum. Net worth is a well-defined concept. Look it up. I'm even
including your single-wide trailer trash home.

Hey jack ass, why would I work for others? I make more in care and
feeding in my own investments. They sure are paying hansomely this week.

You are right, 1/2 acre and 2850 sq/ft is too big for just the two of
us. All paid for. I have 3 rooms I haven't been into for over a year.
A waste really.

On 07/04/2011 10:26 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 5:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 3:07 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 4:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 2:41 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 3:56 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:22 pm, Lil wrote:
On 4/7/2011 11:04 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us
who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.

Unless we sit firm on extreme budget cuts, we will have severe
inflation as the Dems method of paying for their runaway spending
but
soon nobody will allow them to continue borrowing. Inflation
will be
their means of taxation. By this method, they will tax away the
value
of all of the IRA and 401K plans in pvt hands to continue to pay
themselves and their union buddies.

Unless we have extreme cuts now, there is no future to worry about.
Any savings you have will be useless. The dems will raise the tax
rate in upper income people and then after a few years we will
ALL be
in that tax bracket due to inflation.

Dems say they care about the underclass but in reality they are
simply
trying to maintain their ability to take money out of the
pockets of
those who work and give it to their friends in govt. It is time to
bring the gravy train to a halt by any means necessary.

Stand firm for extreme cuts now or learn to say "Yas massuh" to
your
local govt bureaucrat.
This is a war and wars have casualties.

So Vets and SS Recipients are parasites?
Why aren't there any cuts in susidies for ethanol and giant
Agribusiness
and no taxes for foreign or Global Corporations that make their
money in
America on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic?

No, most vets and SS recips are good people, it is the bureaucrats
who
are parasites. However, the mindset of relying on SS or even too much
vet care is a symptom of the cancer of too much govt and this has to
change.

When fighting a cancer, sometimes you attack the blood vessels that
feed it. In the case of the cancer riddling our govt, the blood
vessels carry money and shutting off the supply of money can reduce
the size of the cancer. Many of the cancer cells think they have a
right to exist but being dangerous, we should not worry about what
they think. If they were somewhere else, they would not be dangerous
but being part of the govt makes them cancerous.
Sometimes when fighting leukemia, we have to kill the entire
supply of
cells (in this case the bone marrow) and by analogy we may have to
shut down the source of cancer cells, the govt itself and
resurrect it
later by an infusion of clean cells.
If the cancer metastasizes, it is usually too late because it spreads
throughout the entire economic body damaging every organ it
encounters. In our society, this would mean that the sense of
entitlement spreads sufficiently that we cannot kill it off. It
requires ever more resources until the economic body dies.
In some ways, our economic situation is even more dire because the
cancer itself is semi-intelligent and has decided that keeping itself
alive is the purpose of the rest of the body so the body becomes a
slave to the parasitical cancer. Sometimes the cancer re-routes blood
vessels going to legit body parts thru itself causing damage to these
parts if the cancer is killed.
It is time for radical therapy, shut down the flow of money that
sustains the cancer and then we will have to be ever vigilant to
publicly identify new outbreaks and excise them. Many “good” cells
will die in the process but it is necessary for the body to survive.
Relying on Vet care. I never thought I would be in this situation. i
rely on it. I've tried to go outside. It's expensive. Insurance we
thought we had decided we didn't. Huge, to us bills.
Not relying on VA is not an option. Cost Effective thanks Bush.

Obama has already doubled in 27 months Bush's debt in 8 years. Obama is
a "In Debt We Trust!" president.

There is too much blame to shared by each or all sides.

Agreed. And at this point it does not mater. Going forward needs to be
fixed ASAP.

Until they stop Lobbying from Corporations and Special interest and
their dollars we are at their mercy.

Agreed. In reality lobbyists are really bribery and corruption.

They destroyed the real tax base of Midle America with good jobs and
good pay and benefits. No or reduced incomes means lot less tax dollars
to operate the Republic. Corporations that make their money in America
on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic are the blame too.

Yep, government revenue has imploded.

But the top 20% pays 80% of the taxes. Get over it. Low wage earners pay
very little.
I can't find the report but individual Income Taxes produce 45% of the
Treasury's income. Corporate Income taxes produce just 12%. The
difference comes from tariffs, excise taxes etc.
The biuun that they float around from time to time of being economically
abused is just so much BS. Most don't pay any US taxes. They generously
engineered loopholes and pay little of nothing. Even deferring taxes her
until the money is repatriated. It never is repatriated and when that
outfit is bought that money disappears.

People over estimate how much money corporations really make. Many
don't pay much taxes for past losses or they MAKE NO MONEY. Which is
part of the problem as corporate tax rates are not much different than
individuals, 15 to 35%.

The biggest reason to own a company is that over time you hope it
appreciates at inflation and pays a dividend while you wait. Problem is
they are generally not appreciating as fast as inflation which makes
them bad investments. So no one invests and poor job prospects.

Companies do pay taxes, just don't make enough money to pay the huge
needs of DC with.

At some point government got too big and too greedy for a sustainable
economy. I believe it was 2006. But in any case, $1.6 trillion
overspend by DC is clearly not sustainable without hyper-stagflation.

Doesn't mater how you cut it, in value terms, in ounces of gold and
barrels of oil, wheat, copper or toilet paper, the US government will be
forced to spend less.

Question is how much inflation do you want with that?

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:13:25 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 4:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:59:57 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:46:00 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 9:39 AM, HarryisPaul wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:21:27 -0400,
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.


Just another crazy teahadist who hates America.

He'll really start hollering when *his* benefits start disappearing
though.

A smart person plans their retirement privately instead of counting on
the government to hold their hand.

Yep. I learned early, in my name, in my account, under my absolute
control and the rest is BS.

When asked company pension versus the newer 401K match for example, I
opted 401K (now in my IRA) and many said I was nuts. They are still
working and my IRA performance blows away the company plans so bad...

For example my IRA was 85% cash on the 2008 crash and come when the real
deals came in the spring....well... can't beat that.

Yep, in your name, in your account, under your absolute control because
the best person to trust is yourself.

I'm sure you're net worth is at least $100.

That would be my after tax hourly rate yep.

What dumdum. Net worth is a well-defined concept. Look it up. I'm even
including your single-wide trailer trash home.

Hey jack ass, why would I work for others? I make more in care and
feeding in my own investments. They sure are paying hansomely this week.

You are right, 1/2 acre and 2850 sq/ft is too big for just the two of
us. All paid for. I have 3 rooms I haven't been into for over a year.
A waste really.

Hey dummy, you CAN'T work for others. Who would have you who has half
a brain.

Living in a squalid trailer park doesn't count in the square footage
calculation.

On 08/04/2011 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:13:25 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 4:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:59:57 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:46:00 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 9:39 AM, HarryisPaul wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:21:27 -0400,
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.


Just another crazy teahadist who hates America.

He'll really start hollering when *his* benefits start disappearing
though.

A smart person plans their retirement privately instead of counting on
the government to hold their hand.

Yep. I learned early, in my name, in my account, under my absolute
control and the rest is BS.

When asked company pension versus the newer 401K match for example, I
opted 401K (now in my IRA) and many said I was nuts. They are still
working and my IRA performance blows away the company plans so bad...

For example my IRA was 85% cash on the 2008 crash and come when the real
deals came in the spring....well... can't beat that.

Yep, in your name, in your account, under your absolute control because
the best person to trust is yourself.

I'm sure you're net worth is at least $100.

That would be my after tax hourly rate yep.

What dumdum. Net worth is a well-defined concept. Look it up. I'm even
including your single-wide trailer trash home.

Hey jack ass, why would I work for others? I make more in care and
feeding in my own investments. They sure are paying hansomely this week.

You are right, 1/2 acre and 2850 sq/ft is too big for just the two of
us. All paid for. I have 3 rooms I haven't been into for over a year.
A waste really.

Hey dummy, you CAN'T work for others. Who would have you who has half
a brain.

Living in a squalid trailer park doesn't count in the square footage
calculation.

No, others work for me. I like it that way.

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:43:39 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:58 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:04:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:


hey the upper income folks broke the economy. let them pay for it


Dems say they care about the underclass but in reality they are simply
trying to maintain their ability to take money out of the pockets of
those who work and give it to their friends in govt. It is time to
bring the gravy train to a halt by any means necessary.

meaningless. the rich dont work. the middle class does. the GOP wants
to reduce taxes on non working rich people and tax the middle class to
pay for it

Bone heads and fleabaggers like you dont understand how Wall Street
works

well right away we can tell you've sucked down the wall street
bull****

wall street DOESNT work. that's the PROBLEM! if it DID work we wouldnt
have had to BAIL THEM OUT YOU RIGHT WING MORON!!

how much ****ING EVIDENCE do you NEED to realize you're ****ED??

.. It is simply a market where buyers meet sellers and exchange is
made. If few buy and many want to sell the price goes down. The
opposite is also true, if many want to buy but few want to sell the
price goes up. Collectively 10's of millions of people contribute to
pricing. **** us off witht he coming of Obama and the market crashed.
What did you expect?

bull****. why?

because WS ALSO invents financial instruments like COLLATERALIZE DEBT
SWAPS.

they went from 320 BILLION in 1997

to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007

in 10 years they increased by a factor of 2000%

TWO THOUSAND PERCENT. and you IGNORE that while you bleat your RIGHT
WING BULL**** about HOW GLORIOUS wall street works!!

wall street ****ED and and YOU tell us how WONDERFUL this is!!


Fraud is Harvard buddy Wagoner of GM, running bankrupt and corrupt for
so long. Obama bailing them out, and spilling taxpayer funded debt to
bailout corruption. Bailing out some bank because a big Saudi Bin Laden
deposits money there.

uh...the GM bailout was started under

bush


Even true capitalists would love to see the corruption wiped out but
people vote too stupid.

Like I have said before Osama be proud of Obama Bin laden.

racist. you tell us taht our job as a country is to support wall
street and make sure blacks dont get into office

On 08/04/2011 5:15 PM, bob wrote:

. It is simply a market where buyers meet sellers and exchange is
made. If few buy and many want to sell the price goes down. The
opposite is also true, if many want to buy but few want to sell the
price goes up. Collectively 10's of millions of people contribute to
pricing. **** us off witht he coming of Obama and the market crashed.
What did you expect?

bull****. why?

because WS ALSO invents financial instruments like COLLATERALIZE DEBT
SWAPS.

Why do you think I started exiting banks, mortgages and USD in 2004 to
2008? You could see this a mile away if you read something else other
than Keynes debt monger fantasies.

I haven't dealt with loaning others money nor debt, nor bond, nor
T-Bills or squat to do with debt at all since 2007.

Hey one of the tips I had came from a 1930's conservative finance book
talking about 1929 and 1932.

Why? Did you get stuck in the 2008 crash? Funny, I was cashed up.
Sure had a good pick of cheap stocks in Jan-Mar of 2009.

Don't go blind with liberalism's greed. Gets you killed every time.

they went from 320 BILLION in 1997

to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007

in 10 years they increased by a factor of 2000%

It wasn't they. It was GREEDY Americans borrowing their life style.
2008 is just when someone said they wanted to be paid back and no one
could find the real money.

TWO THOUSAND PERCENT. and you IGNORE that while you bleat your RIGHT
WING BULL**** about HOW GLORIOUS wall street works!!

wall street ****ED and and YOU tell us how WONDERFUL this is!!

Yep, all you liberal leftie fleabaggers thought you could borrow your
way into the middle class with a low class attitude.

Fraud is Harvard buddy Wagoner of GM, running bankrupt and corrupt for
so long. Obama bailing them out, and spilling taxpayer funded debt to
bailout corruption. Bailing out some bank because a big Saudi Bin Laden
deposits money there.

uh...the GM bailout was started under

bush

At Obama's request from TARP, $13 billion to keep them going for Obama o
deal with when he was in office. And not one peep out of Congress for
misappropriation of TARP funds. You know that was a conspiracy to have
the lame term president take the heat?

I openly called Obama a criminal Bin Laden family criminal because
Carlye, a major benefactor of GM bailout had Bush and bin Laden family
moneys in it.

Even true capitalists would love to see the corruption wiped out but
people vote too stupid.

Like I have said before Osama be proud of Obama Bin laden.

racist. you tell us taht our job as a country is to support wall
street and make sure blacks dont get into office

Ya, I hate corrupt white boys and I hate corrupt black boys so I must be
racist.

Typical leftie fleabagger slander.