On 4/7/2011 4:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 2:41 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 3:56 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:22 pm, Lil wrote:
On 4/7/2011 11:04 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.

Unless we sit firm on extreme budget cuts, we will have severe
inflation as the Dems method of paying for their runaway spending but
soon nobody will allow them to continue borrowing. Inflation will be
their means of taxation. By this method, they will tax away the value
of all of the IRA and 401K plans in pvt hands to continue to pay
themselves and their union buddies.

Unless we have extreme cuts now, there is no future to worry about.
Any savings you have will be useless. The dems will raise the tax
rate in upper income people and then after a few years we will ALL be
in that tax bracket due to inflation.

Dems say they care about the underclass but in reality they are simply
trying to maintain their ability to take money out of the pockets of
those who work and give it to their friends in govt. It is time to
bring the gravy train to a halt by any means necessary.

Stand firm for extreme cuts now or learn to say "Yas massuh" to your
local govt bureaucrat.
This is a war and wars have casualties.

So Vets and SS Recipients are parasites?
Why aren't there any cuts in susidies for ethanol and giant
Agribusiness
and no taxes for foreign or Global Corporations that make their
money in
America on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic?

No, most vets and SS recips are good people, it is the bureaucrats who
are parasites. However, the mindset of relying on SS or even too much
vet care is a symptom of the cancer of too much govt and this has to
change.

When fighting a cancer, sometimes you attack the blood vessels that
feed it. In the case of the cancer riddling our govt, the blood
vessels carry money and shutting off the supply of money can reduce
the size of the cancer. Many of the cancer cells think they have a
right to exist but being dangerous, we should not worry about what
they think. If they were somewhere else, they would not be dangerous
but being part of the govt makes them cancerous.
Sometimes when fighting leukemia, we have to kill the entire supply of
cells (in this case the bone marrow) and by analogy we may have to
shut down the source of cancer cells, the govt itself and resurrect it
later by an infusion of clean cells.
If the cancer metastasizes, it is usually too late because it spreads
throughout the entire economic body damaging every organ it
encounters. In our society, this would mean that the sense of
entitlement spreads sufficiently that we cannot kill it off. It
requires ever more resources until the economic body dies.
In some ways, our economic situation is even more dire because the
cancer itself is semi-intelligent and has decided that keeping itself
alive is the purpose of the rest of the body so the body becomes a
slave to the parasitical cancer. Sometimes the cancer re-routes blood
vessels going to legit body parts thru itself causing damage to these
parts if the cancer is killed.
It is time for radical therapy, shut down the flow of money that
sustains the cancer and then we will have to be ever vigilant to
publicly identify new outbreaks and excise them. Many “good” cells
will die in the process but it is necessary for the body to survive.
Relying on Vet care. I never thought I would be in this situation. i
rely on it. I've tried to go outside. It's expensive. Insurance we
thought we had decided we didn't. Huge, to us bills.
Not relying on VA is not an option. Cost Effective thanks Bush.

Obama has already doubled in 27 months Bush's debt in 8 years. Obama is
a "In Debt We Trust!" president.
There is too much blame to shared by each or all sides.
Until they stop Lobbying from Corporations and Special interest and
their dollars we are at their mercy.
They destroyed the real tax base of Midle America with good jobs and
good pay and benefits. No or reduced incomes means lot less tax dollars
to operate the Republic. Corporations that make their money in America
on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic are the blame too.

On 07/04/2011 3:07 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 4:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 2:41 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 3:56 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:22 pm, Lil wrote:
On 4/7/2011 11:04 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.

Unless we sit firm on extreme budget cuts, we will have severe
inflation as the Dems method of paying for their runaway spending but
soon nobody will allow them to continue borrowing. Inflation will be
their means of taxation. By this method, they will tax away the value
of all of the IRA and 401K plans in pvt hands to continue to pay
themselves and their union buddies.

Unless we have extreme cuts now, there is no future to worry about.
Any savings you have will be useless. The dems will raise the tax
rate in upper income people and then after a few years we will ALL be
in that tax bracket due to inflation.

Dems say they care about the underclass but in reality they are
simply
trying to maintain their ability to take money out of the pockets of
those who work and give it to their friends in govt. It is time to
bring the gravy train to a halt by any means necessary.

Stand firm for extreme cuts now or learn to say "Yas massuh" to your
local govt bureaucrat.
This is a war and wars have casualties.

So Vets and SS Recipients are parasites?
Why aren't there any cuts in susidies for ethanol and giant
Agribusiness
and no taxes for foreign or Global Corporations that make their
money in
America on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic?

No, most vets and SS recips are good people, it is the bureaucrats who
are parasites. However, the mindset of relying on SS or even too much
vet care is a symptom of the cancer of too much govt and this has to
change.

When fighting a cancer, sometimes you attack the blood vessels that
feed it. In the case of the cancer riddling our govt, the blood
vessels carry money and shutting off the supply of money can reduce
the size of the cancer. Many of the cancer cells think they have a
right to exist but being dangerous, we should not worry about what
they think. If they were somewhere else, they would not be dangerous
but being part of the govt makes them cancerous.
Sometimes when fighting leukemia, we have to kill the entire supply of
cells (in this case the bone marrow) and by analogy we may have to
shut down the source of cancer cells, the govt itself and resurrect it
later by an infusion of clean cells.
If the cancer metastasizes, it is usually too late because it spreads
throughout the entire economic body damaging every organ it
encounters. In our society, this would mean that the sense of
entitlement spreads sufficiently that we cannot kill it off. It
requires ever more resources until the economic body dies.
In some ways, our economic situation is even more dire because the
cancer itself is semi-intelligent and has decided that keeping itself
alive is the purpose of the rest of the body so the body becomes a
slave to the parasitical cancer. Sometimes the cancer re-routes blood
vessels going to legit body parts thru itself causing damage to these
parts if the cancer is killed.
It is time for radical therapy, shut down the flow of money that
sustains the cancer and then we will have to be ever vigilant to
publicly identify new outbreaks and excise them. Many “good” cells
will die in the process but it is necessary for the body to survive.
Relying on Vet care. I never thought I would be in this situation. i
rely on it. I've tried to go outside. It's expensive. Insurance we
thought we had decided we didn't. Huge, to us bills.
Not relying on VA is not an option. Cost Effective thanks Bush.

Obama has already doubled in 27 months Bush's debt in 8 years. Obama is
a "In Debt We Trust!" president.

There is too much blame to shared by each or all sides.

Agreed. And at this point it does not mater. Going forward needs to be
fixed ASAP.

Until they stop Lobbying from Corporations and Special interest and
their dollars we are at their mercy.

Agreed. In reality lobbyists are really bribery and corruption.

They destroyed the real tax base of Midle America with good jobs and
good pay and benefits. No or reduced incomes means lot less tax dollars
to operate the Republic. Corporations that make their money in America
on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic are the blame too.

Yep, government revenue has imploded.

But the top 20% pays 80% of the taxes. Get over it. Low wage earners
pay very little.

On 4/7/2011 5:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 3:07 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 4:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 2:41 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 3:56 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:22 pm, Lil wrote:
On 4/7/2011 11:04 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.

Unless we sit firm on extreme budget cuts, we will have severe
inflation as the Dems method of paying for their runaway spending
but
soon nobody will allow them to continue borrowing. Inflation will be
their means of taxation. By this method, they will tax away the
value
of all of the IRA and 401K plans in pvt hands to continue to pay
themselves and their union buddies.

Unless we have extreme cuts now, there is no future to worry about.
Any savings you have will be useless. The dems will raise the tax
rate in upper income people and then after a few years we will
ALL be
in that tax bracket due to inflation.

Dems say they care about the underclass but in reality they are
simply
trying to maintain their ability to take money out of the pockets of
those who work and give it to their friends in govt. It is time to
bring the gravy train to a halt by any means necessary.

Stand firm for extreme cuts now or learn to say "Yas massuh" to your
local govt bureaucrat.
This is a war and wars have casualties.

So Vets and SS Recipients are parasites?
Why aren't there any cuts in susidies for ethanol and giant
Agribusiness
and no taxes for foreign or Global Corporations that make their
money in
America on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic?

No, most vets and SS recips are good people, it is the bureaucrats who
are parasites. However, the mindset of relying on SS or even too much
vet care is a symptom of the cancer of too much govt and this has to
change.

When fighting a cancer, sometimes you attack the blood vessels that
feed it. In the case of the cancer riddling our govt, the blood
vessels carry money and shutting off the supply of money can reduce
the size of the cancer. Many of the cancer cells think they have a
right to exist but being dangerous, we should not worry about what
they think. If they were somewhere else, they would not be dangerous
but being part of the govt makes them cancerous.
Sometimes when fighting leukemia, we have to kill the entire supply of
cells (in this case the bone marrow) and by analogy we may have to
shut down the source of cancer cells, the govt itself and resurrect it
later by an infusion of clean cells.
If the cancer metastasizes, it is usually too late because it spreads
throughout the entire economic body damaging every organ it
encounters. In our society, this would mean that the sense of
entitlement spreads sufficiently that we cannot kill it off. It
requires ever more resources until the economic body dies.
In some ways, our economic situation is even more dire because the
cancer itself is semi-intelligent and has decided that keeping itself
alive is the purpose of the rest of the body so the body becomes a
slave to the parasitical cancer. Sometimes the cancer re-routes blood
vessels going to legit body parts thru itself causing damage to these
parts if the cancer is killed.
It is time for radical therapy, shut down the flow of money that
sustains the cancer and then we will have to be ever vigilant to
publicly identify new outbreaks and excise them. Many “good” cells
will die in the process but it is necessary for the body to survive.
Relying on Vet care. I never thought I would be in this situation. i
rely on it. I've tried to go outside. It's expensive. Insurance we
thought we had decided we didn't. Huge, to us bills.
Not relying on VA is not an option. Cost Effective thanks Bush.

Obama has already doubled in 27 months Bush's debt in 8 years. Obama is
a "In Debt We Trust!" president.

There is too much blame to shared by each or all sides.

Agreed. And at this point it does not mater. Going forward needs to be
fixed ASAP.

Until they stop Lobbying from Corporations and Special interest and
their dollars we are at their mercy.

Agreed. In reality lobbyists are really bribery and corruption.

They destroyed the real tax base of Midle America with good jobs and
good pay and benefits. No or reduced incomes means lot less tax dollars
to operate the Republic. Corporations that make their money in America
on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic are the blame too.

Yep, government revenue has imploded.

But the top 20% pays 80% of the taxes. Get over it. Low wage earners pay
very little.
I can't find the report but individual Income Taxes produce 45% of the
Treasury's income. Corporate Income taxes produce just 12%. The
difference comes from tariffs, excise taxes etc.
The biuun that they float around from time to time of being economically
abused is just so much BS. Most don't pay any US taxes. They generously
engineered loopholes and pay little of nothing. Even deferring taxes her
until the money is repatriated. It never is repatriated and when that
outfit is bought that money disappears.

On 07/04/2011 10:26 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 5:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 3:07 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 4:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/04/2011 2:41 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/7/2011 3:56 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:22 pm, Lil wrote:
On 4/7/2011 11:04 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Shut the govt down and bring all the troops home and furlough them.
Let all the big govt parasites go find real jobs. Those of us
who do
not depend on the govt for income will survive and for a change the
govt workers will see how the rest of us have been living.

Unless we sit firm on extreme budget cuts, we will have severe
inflation as the Dems method of paying for their runaway spending
but
soon nobody will allow them to continue borrowing. Inflation
will be
their means of taxation. By this method, they will tax away the
value
of all of the IRA and 401K plans in pvt hands to continue to pay
themselves and their union buddies.

Unless we have extreme cuts now, there is no future to worry about.
Any savings you have will be useless. The dems will raise the tax
rate in upper income people and then after a few years we will
ALL be
in that tax bracket due to inflation.

Dems say they care about the underclass but in reality they are
simply
trying to maintain their ability to take money out of the
pockets of
those who work and give it to their friends in govt. It is time to
bring the gravy train to a halt by any means necessary.

Stand firm for extreme cuts now or learn to say "Yas massuh" to
your
local govt bureaucrat.
This is a war and wars have casualties.

So Vets and SS Recipients are parasites?
Why aren't there any cuts in susidies for ethanol and giant
Agribusiness
and no taxes for foreign or Global Corporations that make their
money in
America on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic?

No, most vets and SS recips are good people, it is the bureaucrats
who
are parasites. However, the mindset of relying on SS or even too much
vet care is a symptom of the cancer of too much govt and this has to
change.

When fighting a cancer, sometimes you attack the blood vessels that
feed it. In the case of the cancer riddling our govt, the blood
vessels carry money and shutting off the supply of money can reduce
the size of the cancer. Many of the cancer cells think they have a
right to exist but being dangerous, we should not worry about what
they think. If they were somewhere else, they would not be dangerous
but being part of the govt makes them cancerous.
Sometimes when fighting leukemia, we have to kill the entire
supply of
cells (in this case the bone marrow) and by analogy we may have to
shut down the source of cancer cells, the govt itself and
resurrect it
later by an infusion of clean cells.
If the cancer metastasizes, it is usually too late because it spreads
throughout the entire economic body damaging every organ it
encounters. In our society, this would mean that the sense of
entitlement spreads sufficiently that we cannot kill it off. It
requires ever more resources until the economic body dies.
In some ways, our economic situation is even more dire because the
cancer itself is semi-intelligent and has decided that keeping itself
alive is the purpose of the rest of the body so the body becomes a
slave to the parasitical cancer. Sometimes the cancer re-routes blood
vessels going to legit body parts thru itself causing damage to these
parts if the cancer is killed.
It is time for radical therapy, shut down the flow of money that
sustains the cancer and then we will have to be ever vigilant to
publicly identify new outbreaks and excise them. Many “good” cells
will die in the process but it is necessary for the body to survive.
Relying on Vet care. I never thought I would be in this situation. i
rely on it. I've tried to go outside. It's expensive. Insurance we
thought we had decided we didn't. Huge, to us bills.
Not relying on VA is not an option. Cost Effective thanks Bush.

Obama has already doubled in 27 months Bush's debt in 8 years. Obama is
a "In Debt We Trust!" president.

There is too much blame to shared by each or all sides.

Agreed. And at this point it does not mater. Going forward needs to be
fixed ASAP.

Until they stop Lobbying from Corporations and Special interest and
their dollars we are at their mercy.

Agreed. In reality lobbyists are really bribery and corruption.

They destroyed the real tax base of Midle America with good jobs and
good pay and benefits. No or reduced incomes means lot less tax dollars
to operate the Republic. Corporations that make their money in America
on Americans but pay no taxes to support the Republic are the blame too.

Yep, government revenue has imploded.

But the top 20% pays 80% of the taxes. Get over it. Low wage earners pay
very little.
I can't find the report but individual Income Taxes produce 45% of the
Treasury's income. Corporate Income taxes produce just 12%. The
difference comes from tariffs, excise taxes etc.
The biuun that they float around from time to time of being economically
abused is just so much BS. Most don't pay any US taxes. They generously
engineered loopholes and pay little of nothing. Even deferring taxes her
until the money is repatriated. It never is repatriated and when that
outfit is bought that money disappears.

People over estimate how much money corporations really make. Many
don't pay much taxes for past losses or they MAKE NO MONEY. Which is
part of the problem as corporate tax rates are not much different than
individuals, 15 to 35%.

The biggest reason to own a company is that over time you hope it
appreciates at inflation and pays a dividend while you wait. Problem is
they are generally not appreciating as fast as inflation which makes
them bad investments. So no one invests and poor job prospects.

Companies do pay taxes, just don't make enough money to pay the huge
needs of DC with.

At some point government got too big and too greedy for a sustainable
economy. I believe it was 2006. But in any case, $1.6 trillion
overspend by DC is clearly not sustainable without hyper-stagflation.

Doesn't mater how you cut it, in value terms, in ounces of gold and
barrels of oil, wheat, copper or toilet paper, the US government will be
forced to spend less.

Question is how much inflation do you want with that?