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Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:48:08 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:59:04 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:23:04 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. BTW, are you also imposed to military personnel getting paid more the longer they serve? Most military people get promoted by performance reports and when they are passed over too many times they are usually pressured to get out. Yup, that's the way it's done. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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says... On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:48:08 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:59:04 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:23:04 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. BTW, are you also imposed to military personnel getting paid more the longer they serve? Most military people get promoted by performance reports and when they are passed over too many times they are usually pressured to get out. Yup, that's the way it's done. And the way it should be.. If there was a union in the service those "underperformers" would be handed a broom and a raise and be allowed to work until retirement making more pay than the guys really doing the work..;) |
Biden to impeach Obama
I_am_Tosk wrote:
And the way it should be.. If there was a union in the service those "underperformers" would be handed a broom and a raise and be allowed to work until retirement making more pay than the guys really doing the work..;) This from a little man whose only real job in life was working as an unskilled laborer in a food warehouse. And he couldn't hang onto that job. |
Biden to impeach Obama
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: And the way it should be.. If there was a union in the service those "underperformers" would be handed a broom and a raise and be allowed to work until retirement making more pay than the guys really doing the work..;) This from a little man whose only real job in life was working as an unskilled laborer in a food warehouse. And he couldn't hang onto that job. And as usual, Harry has no intelligent rebuttal, so he calls names and insults. Gee, I'll be no one seen THAT coming! |
Biden to impeach Obama
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: And the way it should be.. If there was a union in the service those "underperformers" would be handed a broom and a raise and be allowed to work until retirement making more pay than the guys really doing the work..;) This from a little man whose only real job in life was working as an unskilled laborer in a food warehouse. And he couldn't hang onto that job. You make this **** up as you go along. You are one creepy old man for sure.. |
Biden to impeach Obama
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article0aWdnRwvVv5Wfg3QnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: And the way it should be.. If there was a union in the service those "underperformers" would be handed a broom and a raise and be allowed to work until retirement making more pay than the guys really doing the work..;) This from a little man whose only real job in life was working as an unskilled laborer in a food warehouse. And he couldn't hang onto that job. You make this **** up as you go along. You are one creepy old man for sure.. Well, little man, to the best of my recollection, in all your years here, you mentioned very little in the way of employment: 1. You said you worked in a food warehouse for, I believe, First National stores. You lost that job. 2. You said you built small boats, but I suspect that was more of an avocation than a vocation. 3. You swept out a barn. 4. You claim to be an executive of some sort of a shady sounding company that allegedly resells some internet services, but your site extolling same is chock-full of deceptive descriptions of facilities and gear. Further, your site does not list any actual clients or samples of web pages you allegedly have designed. This is interesting, because I have two of my clients hosting their web sites on a legitimate hosting site, and the host has long lists of clients and examples of its work product. Now, did I miss an actual job of yours? I'm not trying to put you down for the kind of work you've done. All work is worthwhile, after all. I simply believe you are totally, completely unqualified by way of education or work experience to offer up judgments on the work or jobs of others. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mar 28, 4:36*pm, Harryk wrote:
I can't answer your out of context and made up accusations old man. You are a creepy old fart that seems to have quite a "selective" imagination.. Harry Krause, everything you say here is lies, everyone knows it, who are you trying to fool?? |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:14:54 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:32:06 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:34:07 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's just the way of the unions. When I got laid off from Finast I was number two from the bottom of siniority, so I went second. At the same time, I was consistently in the top ten percent of production, day after day. At the same time the union worked very hard to keep guys caught sleeping in the bathroom or stealing, earning a steady paycheck. There is something inherently wrong with Unions taking millions from their employees, handing it to politicians, and then going to those very same Politicians for negotiations... Period. We just had an article in the paper about suspended employees who were still being paid. Their top example was a teacher who was suspended for sexual assault on a faculty member, off on "suspension" for over a year and still getting the $61,000 salary. Not bad money for staying home and watching soaps all day. This person was reinstated, back to teaching. What do you learn in that class? Hell, man, you guys elected a governor who should be in federal prison. Right next to Charlie Rangel but evidently crime does pay. Who was censured and removed from the chairmanship of his committee. Not much punishment, but certainly more than your governor got. Oh, don't forget Newt. He was just reprimanded for the use of a tax-exempt organization for political purposes and providing false information to the House Ethics Committee. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:32:06 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:34:07 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's just the way of the unions. When I got laid off from Finast I was number two from the bottom of siniority, so I went second. At the same time, I was consistently in the top ten percent of production, day after day. At the same time the union worked very hard to keep guys caught sleeping in the bathroom or stealing, earning a steady paycheck. There is something inherently wrong with Unions taking millions from their employees, handing it to politicians, and then going to those very same Politicians for negotiations... Period. We just had an article in the paper about suspended employees who were still being paid. Their top example was a teacher who was suspended for sexual assault on a faculty member, off on "suspension" for over a year and still getting the $61,000 salary. Not bad money for staying home and watching soaps all day. This person was reinstated, back to teaching. What do you learn in that class? Hell, man, you guys elected a governor who should be in federal prison. Right next to Charlie Rangel but evidently crime does pay. Charlie is small potatoes compared to your governor. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:17:26 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:00:42 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:28:38 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:34:07 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's just the way of the unions. When I got laid off from Finast I was number two from the bottom of siniority, so I went second. At the same time, I was consistently in the top ten percent of production, day after day. At the same time the union worked very hard to keep guys caught sleeping in the bathroom or stealing, earning a steady paycheck. There is something inherently wrong with Unions taking millions from their employees, handing it to politicians, and then going to those very same Politicians for negotiations... Period. We just had an article in the paper about suspended employees who were still being paid. Their top example was a teacher who was suspended for sexual assault on a faculty member, off on "suspension" for over a year and still getting the $61,000 salary. Not bad money for staying home and watching soaps all day. This person was reinstated, back to teaching. What do you learn in that class? So, because there's occasionally abuse of the system, that means the system is bankrupt and should be discarded? Nonsense. We are just talking about fixing the system so that doesn't happen and so you can give those younger teachers who do have a good success record, more money. Fixing it how? So far the only "proposal" is to strip teachers of their rights to bargain collectively. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:15:12 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:57:46 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:28:11 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's an important skill but it is not the kind of learning that's important in the long run. Teachers want what's best for students. Feel free to disagree. There are very, very few teachers who are as you describe. Most are dedicated to the students they're teaching and get by on very modest salaries. I agree most teachers do try to do their best. The problem is when the system is choked by the ones who are not working out and there is nothing you can do about it. The system is "choked" by the small minority who don't care and don't perform. Nobody on the right has made one single suggestion that really addresses the problem of poor education. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:20:14 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:02:00 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:29:51 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:35:42 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:12:34 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. They don't want to see any merit based pay. This "testing" thing is just a red herring. The unions are not opposed to merit pay that is determined by fair testing on the basis of merit. We will see. Scott just signed the bill yesterday that will do that. So far the school union seems pretty much opposed. You tend to end up with a comment like that... "we'll see." Basically, that means you don't know and just guessing. The only thing we "will see" is whether paying younger teachers who perform better actually raises achievement overall. The adverse reaction of the union is a fact. Why the discrimination against older teachers? Are you claiming that only the young ones are capable of teaching well? |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:02:00 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:29:51 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:35:42 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:12:34 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. They don't want to see any merit based pay. This "testing" thing is just a red herring. The unions are not opposed to merit pay that is determined by fair testing on the basis of merit. We will see. Scott just signed the bill yesterday that will do that. So far the school union seems pretty much opposed. You tend to end up with a comment like that... "we'll see." Basically, that means you don't know and just guessing. The only thing we "will see" is whether paying younger teachers who perform better actually raises achievement overall. The adverse reaction of the union is a fact. A fact based upon your opinion, or the opinions of those who are anti-union? |
Biden to impeach Obama
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In article0aWdnRwvVv5Wfg3QnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: And the way it should be.. If there was a union in the service those "underperformers" would be handed a broom and a raise and be allowed to work until retirement making more pay than the guys really doing the work..;) This from a little man whose only real job in life was working as an unskilled laborer in a food warehouse. And he couldn't hang onto that job. You make this **** up as you go along. You are one creepy old man for sure.. Well, little man, to the best of my recollection, in all your years here, you mentioned very little in the way of employment: 1. You said you worked in a food warehouse for, I believe, First National stores. You lost that job. 2. You said you built small boats, but I suspect that was more of an avocation than a vocation. 3. You swept out a barn. 4. You claim to be an executive of some sort of a shady sounding company that allegedly resells some internet services, but your site extolling same is chock-full of deceptive descriptions of facilities and gear. Further, your site does not list any actual clients or samples of web pages you allegedly have designed. This is interesting, because I have two of my clients hosting their web sites on a legitimate hosting site, and the host has long lists of clients and examples of its work product. Please show just what gear and facilities that he has lied about, and be specific about HOW you know that he lied. Now, did I miss an actual job of yours? Yes. I'm not trying to put you down for the kind of work you've done. All work is worthwhile, after all. I simply believe you are totally, completely unqualified by way of education or work experience to offer up judgments on the work or jobs of others. And you are nothing but a low-life blow hard child abuser. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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says... wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:02:00 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:29:51 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:35:42 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:12:34 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. They don't want to see any merit based pay. This "testing" thing is just a red herring. The unions are not opposed to merit pay that is determined by fair testing on the basis of merit. We will see. Scott just signed the bill yesterday that will do that. So far the school union seems pretty much opposed. You tend to end up with a comment like that... "we'll see." Basically, that means you don't know and just guessing. The only thing we "will see" is whether paying younger teachers who perform better actually raises achievement overall. The adverse reaction of the union is a fact. A fact based upon your opinion, or the opinions of those who are anti-union? A fact is a fact, idiot. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On 3/29/2011 10:14 AM, HarryisPaul wrote:
In , says... wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:02:00 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:29:51 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:35:42 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:12:34 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. They don't want to see any merit based pay. This "testing" thing is just a red herring. The unions are not opposed to merit pay that is determined by fair testing on the basis of merit. We will see. Scott just signed the bill yesterday that will do that. So far the school union seems pretty much opposed. You tend to end up with a comment like that... "we'll see." Basically, that means you don't know and just guessing. The only thing we "will see" is whether paying younger teachers who perform better actually raises achievement overall. The adverse reaction of the union is a fact. A fact based upon your opinion, or the opinions of those who are anti-union? A fact is a fact, idiot. Absolutely. If you want to discover some interesting facts about unions you can visit this site. www.unionfacts.com |
Biden to impeach Obama
In article ,
says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:10:48 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:17:26 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:00:42 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:28:38 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:34:07 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's just the way of the unions. When I got laid off from Finast I was number two from the bottom of siniority, so I went second. At the same time, I was consistently in the top ten percent of production, day after day. At the same time the union worked very hard to keep guys caught sleeping in the bathroom or stealing, earning a steady paycheck. There is something inherently wrong with Unions taking millions from their employees, handing it to politicians, and then going to those very same Politicians for negotiations... Period. We just had an article in the paper about suspended employees who were still being paid. Their top example was a teacher who was suspended for sexual assault on a faculty member, off on "suspension" for over a year and still getting the $61,000 salary. Not bad money for staying home and watching soaps all day. This person was reinstated, back to teaching. What do you learn in that class? So, because there's occasionally abuse of the system, that means the system is bankrupt and should be discarded? Nonsense. We are just talking about fixing the system so that doesn't happen and so you can give those younger teachers who do have a good success record, more money. Fixing it how? So far the only "proposal" is to strip teachers of their rights to bargain collectively. That is what the union wants you to think. It is not the case here. The issue is unions buying politicians with millions of dollars of dues money, then going to those same politicians to negotiate their own benefits. If they don't get what they want, they can buy someone else and he pols know that. It's called racketeering, or "business as usual" for Unions... |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:09:33 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. The teachers all could smoke in the teacher's lounge and a few extended that to the classroom. Nobody ever said a word. My 8th grade social studies (AKA Core) used to bum a smoke off of our "Jethro" student, a kid from West Virginia who was about 18. They would both spark up right there in class. The teacher was only about 23-24. Actually that may have been the best class I had as far as learning anything. The algebra teacher was some old crone who just droned on and on with virtually zero interaction with the class. I think about a third of the class was really not getting the material. I know it baffled me and in summer school it seemed easy. The teacher (in the private school) actually made some effort to help us understand instead of just making it a lecture. That was my last year in Public school. I was in public school all the way, K-12. There were plenty of "prep" and parochial schools in New Haven and in Connecticut, of course. Some of the "snooty" kids went to the fancier prep high schools. I only recall one bad teacher, and that was in junior high school. A match teacher, a young one, and too much the smart aleck. I built a cloud chamber for my seventh grade science project. Damned thing worked, too. Consisted of a metal cooking tray, painted flat black, on which sat a one gallon cider jug with the top and bottom cut off to make a cylinder. There was a copper band (maybe two) around the inside of the jug. A spark coil from a Model A Ford was connected to the copper, and the spark coil was connected to a battery. Put a radium clock hand on the cooking tray (which sat on a slab of dry ice), turn off the lights, shine a projector into the glass, and you could clearly see the trails given off by the radium on the clock hand. |
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It is not the case here. The issue is unions buying politicians with millions of dollars of dues money, then going to those same politicians to negotiate their own benefits. If they don't get what they want, they can buy someone else and he pols know that. It's called racketeering, or "business as usual" for Unions... You ignorant little slut. It is illegal for unions to use dues money for political purposes. Unions may collect voluntary gifts from members for political action. |
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@mypacks.net says... wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:09:33 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. The teachers all could smoke in the teacher's lounge and a few extended that to the classroom. Nobody ever said a word. My 8th grade social studies (AKA Core) used to bum a smoke off of our "Jethro" student, a kid from West Virginia who was about 18. They would both spark up right there in class. The teacher was only about 23-24. Actually that may have been the best class I had as far as learning anything. The algebra teacher was some old crone who just droned on and on with virtually zero interaction with the class. I think about a third of the class was really not getting the material. I know it baffled me and in summer school it seemed easy. The teacher (in the private school) actually made some effort to help us understand instead of just making it a lecture. That was my last year in Public school. I was in public school all the way, K-12. There were plenty of "prep" and parochial schools in New Haven and in Connecticut, of course. Some of the "snooty" kids went to the fancier prep high schools. I only recall one bad teacher, and that was in junior high school. A match teacher, a young one, and too much the smart aleck. I built a cloud chamber for my seventh grade science project. Damned thing worked, too. Consisted of a metal cooking tray, painted flat black, on which sat a one gallon cider jug with the top and bottom cut off to make a cylinder. There was a copper band (maybe two) around the inside of the jug. A spark coil from a Model A Ford was connected to the copper, and the spark coil was connected to a battery. Put a radium clock hand on the cooking tray (which sat on a slab of dry ice), turn off the lights, shine a projector into the glass, and you could clearly see the trails given off by the radium on the clock hand. And it turns into a lie about Harry...... |
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says... In article , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:09:33 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. The teachers all could smoke in the teacher's lounge and a few extended that to the classroom. Nobody ever said a word. My 8th grade social studies (AKA Core) used to bum a smoke off of our "Jethro" student, a kid from West Virginia who was about 18. They would both spark up right there in class. The teacher was only about 23-24. Actually that may have been the best class I had as far as learning anything. The algebra teacher was some old crone who just droned on and on with virtually zero interaction with the class. I think about a third of the class was really not getting the material. I know it baffled me and in summer school it seemed easy. The teacher (in the private school) actually made some effort to help us understand instead of just making it a lecture. That was my last year in Public school. I was in public school all the way, K-12. There were plenty of "prep" and parochial schools in New Haven and in Connecticut, of course. Some of the "snooty" kids went to the fancier prep high schools. I only recall one bad teacher, and that was in junior high school. A match teacher, a young one, and too much the smart aleck. I built a cloud chamber for my seventh grade science project. Damned thing worked, too. Consisted of a metal cooking tray, painted flat black, on which sat a one gallon cider jug with the top and bottom cut off to make a cylinder. There was a copper band (maybe two) around the inside of the jug. A spark coil from a Model A Ford was connected to the copper, and the spark coil was connected to a battery. Put a radium clock hand on the cooking tray (which sat on a slab of dry ice), turn off the lights, shine a projector into the glass, and you could clearly see the trails given off by the radium on the clock hand. And it turns into a lie about Harry...... Next he developed the 100 mile per gallon carb, and that was on his way to curing cancer!!! LOL! |
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In , says... In articleoq6dnQ98EdQevw_QnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:09:33 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. The teachers all could smoke in the teacher's lounge and a few extended that to the classroom. Nobody ever said a word. My 8th grade social studies (AKA Core) used to bum a smoke off of our "Jethro" student, a kid from West Virginia who was about 18. They would both spark up right there in class. The teacher was only about 23-24. Actually that may have been the best class I had as far as learning anything. The algebra teacher was some old crone who just droned on and on with virtually zero interaction with the class. I think about a third of the class was really not getting the material. I know it baffled me and in summer school it seemed easy. The teacher (in the private school) actually made some effort to help us understand instead of just making it a lecture. That was my last year in Public school. I was in public school all the way, K-12. There were plenty of "prep" and parochial schools in New Haven and in Connecticut, of course. Some of the "snooty" kids went to the fancier prep high schools. I only recall one bad teacher, and that was in junior high school. A match teacher, a young one, and too much the smart aleck. I built a cloud chamber for my seventh grade science project. Damned thing worked, too. Consisted of a metal cooking tray, painted flat black, on which sat a one gallon cider jug with the top and bottom cut off to make a cylinder. There was a copper band (maybe two) around the inside of the jug. A spark coil from a Model A Ford was connected to the copper, and the spark coil was connected to a battery. Put a radium clock hand on the cooking tray (which sat on a slab of dry ice), turn off the lights, shine a projector into the glass, and you could clearly see the trails given off by the radium on the clock hand. And it turns into a lie about Harry...... Next he developed the 100 mile per gallon carb, and that was on his way to curing cancer!!! LOL! Well, some of us were and are smart and some of us were and are not smart. I'm in the former group and you're in the latter. If you can think of why my description of a simple cloud chamber would not work, you just go ahead and post your reasons. Otherwise, you should stick to what you know...stacking crates in a warehouse, shoveling **** out of a barn, and living vicariously through the dangerous sport in which you have shoved your daughter. |
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@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: It is not the case here. The issue is unions buying politicians with millions of dollars of dues money, then going to those same politicians to negotiate their own benefits. If they don't get what they want, they can buy someone else and he pols know that. It's called racketeering, or "business as usual" for Unions... You ignorant little slut. It is illegal for unions to use dues money for political purposes. Unions may collect voluntary gifts from members for political action. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean that it's not done, dip****. |
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@mypacks.net says... I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... In articleoq6dnQ98EdQevw_QnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:09:33 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. The teachers all could smoke in the teacher's lounge and a few extended that to the classroom. Nobody ever said a word. My 8th grade social studies (AKA Core) used to bum a smoke off of our "Jethro" student, a kid from West Virginia who was about 18. They would both spark up right there in class. The teacher was only about 23-24. Actually that may have been the best class I had as far as learning anything. The algebra teacher was some old crone who just droned on and on with virtually zero interaction with the class. I think about a third of the class was really not getting the material. I know it baffled me and in summer school it seemed easy. The teacher (in the private school) actually made some effort to help us understand instead of just making it a lecture. That was my last year in Public school. I was in public school all the way, K-12. There were plenty of "prep" and parochial schools in New Haven and in Connecticut, of course. Some of the "snooty" kids went to the fancier prep high schools. I only recall one bad teacher, and that was in junior high school. A match teacher, a young one, and too much the smart aleck. I built a cloud chamber for my seventh grade science project. Damned thing worked, too. Consisted of a metal cooking tray, painted flat black, on which sat a one gallon cider jug with the top and bottom cut off to make a cylinder. There was a copper band (maybe two) around the inside of the jug. A spark coil from a Model A Ford was connected to the copper, and the spark coil was connected to a battery. Put a radium clock hand on the cooking tray (which sat on a slab of dry ice), turn off the lights, shine a projector into the glass, and you could clearly see the trails given off by the radium on the clock hand. And it turns into a lie about Harry...... Next he developed the 100 mile per gallon carb, and that was on his way to curing cancer!!! LOL! Well, some of us were and are smart and some of us were and are not smart. I'm in the former group and you're in the latter. If you can think of why my description of a simple cloud chamber would not work, you just go ahead and post your reasons. Otherwise, you should stick to what you know...stacking crates in a warehouse, shoveling **** out of a barn, and living vicariously through the dangerous sport in which you have shoved your daughter. Wow, we've caught Harry in yet another lie!! And a big one at that. You can always tell by how hard he huffs and puffs when he calls names and insults like a little kid! |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:18:42 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:09:33 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. The teachers all could smoke in the teacher's lounge and a few extended that to the classroom. Nobody ever said a word. My 8th grade social studies (AKA Core) used to bum a smoke off of our "Jethro" student, a kid from West Virginia who was about 18. They would both spark up right there in class. The teacher was only about 23-24. Actually that may have been the best class I had as far as learning anything. The algebra teacher was some old crone who just droned on and on with virtually zero interaction with the class. I think about a third of the class was really not getting the material. I know it baffled me and in summer school it seemed easy. The teacher (in the private school) actually made some effort to help us understand instead of just making it a lecture. That was my last year in Public school. I was in public school all the way, K-12. There were plenty of "prep" and parochial schools in New Haven and in Connecticut, of course. Some of the "snooty" kids went to the fancier prep high schools. The school I went to (Woodward) was a mix of kids trying to stay out of reform school and the rich and famous. Chris Dodd was there, punching up his transcript I suppose, since it doesn't show on his bio. It could be because his handlers said he should not list a school where the most famous graduate was L Ron Hubbard ;-) The thing I liked about it was few of the teachers were actually career teachers. They were usually on their way up the food chain or they were retired from something else. It gave us a more rounded view on things. My math teacher taught math and engineering at West Point. The chemistry teacher was a PhD chemist, retired from a number of federal government lab operations. USDA, FDA, BADD. (what became BATFE). The Science teacher was a PhD from Germany, looking for a better gig here. The latin and ancient history teacher was in law school, having taught an ancient cultures course at GW and decided he wanted more from life. These guys liked it because they might only be teaching a couple classes a day. The biology teacher was also working on a grant from NIH doing some kind of study. He taught 2 classes, then he went off to his real job. He certainly seemed to know a lot of stuff that wasn't in the book. We were talking about DNA sequencing at a time when most people had never heard the term,. I went he Hillhouse High School From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from James Hillhouse High School) James Hillhouse High School Address 480 Sherman Parkway New Haven, Connecticut, United States James Hillhouse Comprehensive High School is the oldest public high school in New Haven, Connecticut. Established in 1859 as New Haven High School, Hillhouse High School is New Haven's oldest public high school. Located on Orange Street, it adopted its nickname, "The Academics," in acknowledgment of its close association with Yale University. In 1863, the school was moved to a building at Orange and Wall streets, which was replaced in 1871 by a new school. The school is named in honor of James Hillhouse of New Haven, who represented Connecticut in the U.S. Congress in the early years of the United States' existence as a nation, serving as both a Representative and a Senator. For many years, Hillhouse served not only New Haven but also suburban towns around the city that did not have high schools of their own. Its peak enrollment was nearly 5,000 students, when the school had to conduct double sessions to accommodate the large enrollment. The school includes grades 9 through 12 and enrolls about 979 students. Hillhouse became involved in athletic competition as early as 1866, when some boys formed a club to play a sport that is described as having "resembled rugby and soccer." By 1884, students were participating in several sports, including modern football, which had been invented by Walter Camp of New Haven. Team competition in baseball, tennis, ice hockey, indoor polo and yacht racing also had been established around this time. Basketball was introduced around the beginning of the 20th century. In the school's history, Hillhouse football teams have won 17 state championships, ranking the school third in the state for football championships. The boys’ and girls’ basketball teams have a combined total of more than 25 state championships. The boys’ and girls’ track teams also have more than 25 state championships between them. The Academics also have won state championships in baseball, swimming, ice hockey and tennis. Among the school's notable alumni a David Beckerman, founder and CEO of the Starter Clothing Line[4][7] Albie Booth[5] Ernest Borgnine, actor[4] John C. Daniels, mayor of New Haven[5] Robert Giaimo, U.S. Congressman[5] Louis Harris, pollster[5] John Huggins, leader in the Black Panthers Levi Jackson, first African-American to play football for Yale University[5] Richard C. Lee, mayor of New Haven[5] Marvin Lender of Lender's Bagels[5] Floyd Little[4] Constance Baker Motley[4] Eugene Pergament, geneticist and 1951 graduate of Hillhouse who has donated $1 million to the school to fund scholarships for graduates[8] Maurice Podoloff, first president of the National Basketball Association[9] Vincent Scully, architectural historian[5] Terrell Wilks, sprinter and All American at University of Florida Johnny Huggins was one of my best buddies. He was a year or two behind me. Floyd Little was a year ahead of me. Maurice Podoloff was the father of my father's best buddy. I wasn't aware that Vince Scully was a graduate. |
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On 3/29/11 4:19 PM, Harryk wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:18:42 -0400, Johnny Huggins was one of my best buddies. He was a year or two behind me. Floyd Little was a year ahead of me. Maurice Podoloff was the father of my father's best buddy. I wasn't aware that Vince Scully was a graduate. Wow, you are so special. I guess it must be senility where you can't remember if your "best buddies" was one or two years behind you. |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:21:39 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: It is not the case here. The issue is unions buying politicians with millions of dollars of dues money, then going to those same politicians to negotiate their own benefits. If they don't get what they want, they can buy someone else and he pols know that. It's called racketeering, or "business as usual" for Unions... You ignorant little slut. It is illegal for unions to use dues money for political purposes. Unions may collect voluntary gifts from members for political action. Cite that law. I would like to read what it actually says because it is clear the unions are spending a lot of money. More than half of the top 20 contributors to the 2010 cycle were unions. Harry is full of ****... He will certainly insult us though for asking;) You ignorant ass. 18 U.S.C. § 610 prohibits a labor organization from making a contribution or an expenditure in connection with a federal election. Many states have similar regulations. The Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 added a paragraph at the end of § 610 that expressly authorizes labor organizations to establish, administer, and solicit contributions for political funds, provided that the fund not make a contribution or expenditure in connection with a federal election by utilizing money or anything of value secured by physical force, job discrimination, financial reprisals, or the threat thereof, or by monies required as a condition of employment or union membership. That's why unions have PACs. It is legal for a union to raise non-dues money for its PAC. There have been some few cases, successfully prosecuted, against union officials who broke this law. Stick to shoveling **** in barns. It obviously is what you know best. You're not equipped to deal with adult, knowledge-based political discussions. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:06:35 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:09:33 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. The teachers all could smoke in the teacher's lounge and a few extended that to the classroom. Nobody ever said a word. My 8th grade social studies (AKA Core) used to bum a smoke off of our "Jethro" student, a kid from West Virginia who was about 18. They would both spark up right there in class. The teacher was only about 23-24. Actually that may have been the best class I had as far as learning anything. The algebra teacher was some old crone who just droned on and on with virtually zero interaction with the class. I think about a third of the class was really not getting the material. I know it baffled me and in summer school it seemed easy. The teacher (in the private school) actually made some effort to help us understand instead of just making it a lecture. That was my last year in Public school. When I first started teaching, in '92, we could smoke in the lounge. Then they tightened up. We could smoke in the furnace room. Then they tightened up again, We had to be 50' away from the building. That's when I'd go to the pickup and smoke two cigarettes and be back in the room within 7 minutes. [I know, it's self praise and it stinks (sucks?...don't remember). Then I wised up and quit smoking. Which reminds me, I haven't posted my stats lately: This will certify that John Leo Herring has not smoked cigarettes for ten years, three months, four days, 18 hours, and 56 minutes. This has resulted in 187339 cigarettes not smoked, saving $28,100.61 and a great reduction in his Global Warming Carbon Dioxide Footprint. Furthermore, this will provide him an additional 1 year, 40 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, and 35 minutes to spend his daughters' inheritance. So there. That's why good cameras don't cost all that much! |
Biden to impeach Obama
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Biden to impeach Obama
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Biden to impeach Obama
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:54:16 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:10:48 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:17:26 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:00:42 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:28:38 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:34:07 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's just the way of the unions. When I got laid off from Finast I was number two from the bottom of siniority, so I went second. At the same time, I was consistently in the top ten percent of production, day after day. At the same time the union worked very hard to keep guys caught sleeping in the bathroom or stealing, earning a steady paycheck. There is something inherently wrong with Unions taking millions from their employees, handing it to politicians, and then going to those very same Politicians for negotiations... Period. We just had an article in the paper about suspended employees who were still being paid. Their top example was a teacher who was suspended for sexual assault on a faculty member, off on "suspension" for over a year and still getting the $61,000 salary. Not bad money for staying home and watching soaps all day. This person was reinstated, back to teaching. What do you learn in that class? So, because there's occasionally abuse of the system, that means the system is bankrupt and should be discarded? Nonsense. We are just talking about fixing the system so that doesn't happen and so you can give those younger teachers who do have a good success record, more money. Fixing it how? So far the only "proposal" is to strip teachers of their rights to bargain collectively. That is what the union wants you to think. It is not the case here. Where is here? Florida? That's what's going on in a bunch of other places. It's nonsense. It's union busting pure and simple. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:56:37 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:13:35 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:20:14 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:02:00 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:29:51 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:35:42 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:12:34 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. They don't want to see any merit based pay. This "testing" thing is just a red herring. The unions are not opposed to merit pay that is determined by fair testing on the basis of merit. We will see. Scott just signed the bill yesterday that will do that. So far the school union seems pretty much opposed. You tend to end up with a comment like that... "we'll see." Basically, that means you don't know and just guessing. The only thing we "will see" is whether paying younger teachers who perform better actually raises achievement overall. The adverse reaction of the union is a fact. Why the discrimination against older teachers? Are you claiming that only the young ones are capable of teaching well? The problem is, you can't get rid of a teacher who is not performing so they keep moving up through the system, sucking up money you could be using to attract new teachers. The problem is that this is intellectually dishonest. Sorry. I know that's harsh. This is a tiny percentage of the problem. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:57:09 -0400, John H
wrote: This will certify that John Leo Herring has not smoked cigarettes for ten years, three months, four days, 18 hours, and 56 minutes. This has resulted in 187339 cigarettes not smoked, saving $28,100.61 and a great reduction in his Global Warming Carbon Dioxide Footprint. Furthermore, this will provide him an additional 1 year, 40 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, and 35 minutes to spend his daughters' inheritance. I quit in December 1974. What are the stats on that ? |
Biden to impeach Obama
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@mypacks.net says... wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:18:42 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:09:33 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:05:55 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. Ah yeah, the 50s when teachers could smoke in class and slap the students. Those were the days. We did seem to learn more and classroom discipline was a whole lot better. They still measured our progress on how we did on those evil tests. In fact there was one every Friday. Hmmm. I don't recall teachers smoking in class or on school grounds, nor do I recall students being slapped. Of course we had tests, and lots of them. The teachers all could smoke in the teacher's lounge and a few extended that to the classroom. Nobody ever said a word. My 8th grade social studies (AKA Core) used to bum a smoke off of our "Jethro" student, a kid from West Virginia who was about 18. They would both spark up right there in class. The teacher was only about 23-24. Actually that may have been the best class I had as far as learning anything. The algebra teacher was some old crone who just droned on and on with virtually zero interaction with the class. I think about a third of the class was really not getting the material. I know it baffled me and in summer school it seemed easy. The teacher (in the private school) actually made some effort to help us understand instead of just making it a lecture. That was my last year in Public school. I was in public school all the way, K-12. There were plenty of "prep" and parochial schools in New Haven and in Connecticut, of course. Some of the "snooty" kids went to the fancier prep high schools. The school I went to (Woodward) was a mix of kids trying to stay out of reform school and the rich and famous. Chris Dodd was there, punching up his transcript I suppose, since it doesn't show on his bio. It could be because his handlers said he should not list a school where the most famous graduate was L Ron Hubbard ;-) The thing I liked about it was few of the teachers were actually career teachers. They were usually on their way up the food chain or they were retired from something else. It gave us a more rounded view on things. My math teacher taught math and engineering at West Point. The chemistry teacher was a PhD chemist, retired from a number of federal government lab operations. USDA, FDA, BADD. (what became BATFE). The Science teacher was a PhD from Germany, looking for a better gig here. The latin and ancient history teacher was in law school, having taught an ancient cultures course at GW and decided he wanted more from life. These guys liked it because they might only be teaching a couple classes a day. The biology teacher was also working on a grant from NIH doing some kind of study. He taught 2 classes, then he went off to his real job. He certainly seemed to know a lot of stuff that wasn't in the book. We were talking about DNA sequencing at a time when most people had never heard the term,. I went he Hillhouse High School From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from James Hillhouse High School) James Hillhouse High School Address 480 Sherman Parkway New Haven, Connecticut, United States James Hillhouse Comprehensive High School is the oldest public high school in New Haven, Connecticut. Established in 1859 as New Haven High School, Hillhouse High School is New Haven's oldest public high school. Located on Orange Street, it adopted its nickname, "The Academics," in acknowledgment of its close association with Yale University. In 1863, the school was moved to a building at Orange and Wall streets, which was replaced in 1871 by a new school. The school is named in honor of James Hillhouse of New Haven, who represented Connecticut in the U.S. Congress in the early years of the United States' existence as a nation, serving as both a Representative and a Senator. For many years, Hillhouse served not only New Haven but also suburban towns around the city that did not have high schools of their own. Its peak enrollment was nearly 5,000 students, when the school had to conduct double sessions to accommodate the large enrollment. The school includes grades 9 through 12 and enrolls about 979 students. Hillhouse became involved in athletic competition as early as 1866, when some boys formed a club to play a sport that is described as having "resembled rugby and soccer." By 1884, students were participating in several sports, including modern football, which had been invented by Walter Camp of New Haven. Team competition in baseball, tennis, ice hockey, indoor polo and yacht racing also had been established around this time. Basketball was introduced around the beginning of the 20th century. In the school's history, Hillhouse football teams have won 17 state championships, ranking the school third in the state for football championships. The boys? and girls? basketball teams have a combined total of more than 25 state championships. The boys? and girls? track teams also have more than 25 state championships between them. The Academics also have won state championships in baseball, swimming, ice hockey and tennis. Among the school's notable alumni a David Beckerman, founder and CEO of the Starter Clothing Line[4][7] Albie Booth[5] Ernest Borgnine, actor[4] John C. Daniels, mayor of New Haven[5] Robert Giaimo, U.S. Congressman[5] Louis Harris, pollster[5] John Huggins, leader in the Black Panthers Levi Jackson, first African-American to play football for Yale University[5] Richard C. Lee, mayor of New Haven[5] Marvin Lender of Lender's Bagels[5] Floyd Little[4] Constance Baker Motley[4] Eugene Pergament, geneticist and 1951 graduate of Hillhouse who has donated $1 million to the school to fund scholarships for graduates[8] Maurice Podoloff, first president of the National Basketball Association[9] Vincent Scully, architectural historian[5] Terrell Wilks, sprinter and All American at University of Florida Johnny Huggins was one of my best buddies. He was a year or two behind me. Floyd Little was a year ahead of me. Maurice Podoloff was the father of my father's best buddy. I wasn't aware that Vince Scully was a graduate. More WAFA bull****. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:30:42 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:57:09 -0400, John H wrote: This will certify that John Leo Herring has not smoked cigarettes for ten years, three months, four days, 18 hours, and 56 minutes. This has resulted in 187339 cigarettes not smoked, saving $28,100.61 and a great reduction in his Global Warming Carbon Dioxide Footprint. Furthermore, this will provide him an additional 1 year, 40 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, and 35 minutes to spend his daughters' inheritance. I quit in December 1974. What are the stats on that ? Go here and download the meter. It tracks the info. You have to enter your quit date, how much you smoked, the price of cigarettes (which reminds me that my prices/pack are way out of date), and some other stuff. http://www.silkquit.org/stop-smoking/quit-meter.aspx The 'stats' (the paragraph I posted) can be put into any document on which you can type simply by hitting 'ctrl +' at the same time. You'll be surprised how much money you've saved. |
Biden to impeach Obama
John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:30:42 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:57:09 -0400, John wrote: This will certify that John Leo Herring has not smoked cigarettes for ten years, three months, four days, 18 hours, and 56 minutes. This has resulted in 187339 cigarettes not smoked, saving $28,100.61 and a great reduction in his Global Warming Carbon Dioxide Footprint. Furthermore, this will provide him an additional 1 year, 40 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, and 35 minutes to spend his daughters' inheritance. I quit in December 1974. What are the stats on that ? Go here and download the meter. It tracks the info. You have to enter your quit date, how much you smoked, the price of cigarettes (which reminds me that my prices/pack are way out of date), and some other stuff. http://www.silkquit.org/stop-smoking/quit-meter.aspx The 'stats' (the paragraph I posted) can be put into any document on which you can type simply by hitting 'ctrl +' at the same time. You'll be surprised how much money you've saved. 187,339 cigarettes over 10 years? An average of 18,700 cigarettes a year About 1560 cigarettes a month 52 cigarettes a day What are there, 20 in a pack? Two and a half packs a day I presume you get annual lung x-rays. |
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