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Biden to impeach Obama
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:14:27 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:04 AM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:06:11 -0600, wrote: On 24/03/2011 8:15 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, I know I will be reminded I can't vote but here goes... ANYBODY but Obama. We got the bottom of the pond with that one. Except there is no "we" that includes you. You hate him because he's black, and he's better educated and more successful than you. So is that an excuse or a reason? It's your excuse or reason. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:15:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, Really? Like Newt's experience dumping his wife while she was getting chemo? Was that his first wife or his third? Similar to Edwards huh? Politicians are generally scum. Yes, similar to Edwards in moral failing. No, not similar to Edwards as a ardent supporter of family values, whatever that means. Or, like all the experience pandering to the crazy bat**** people? Or, the stop funding the gov't crowd that has no governance experience? I said I am not sure who it would be. The pool of candidates is really pretty shallow and I don't blame them. The job of president really sucks. It will only get worse as the economic problems we have been ignoring for the last 50 years start exploding in our face. The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:19:01 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:29 AM, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Yep, having faith in government is a big letdown. ;) I never had such faith. My CPP/SS is pocket change, if I get it good deal and extra cruise each year. It will get ugly, especially here in Canada. Canada is not a cheap place to live. Yet so many think they can live on $1000/mo. on CPP (Canada's version of SS). Are they in for a rude awaking. But in all fairness, when you look at what they paid into it, the people who paid for 25 years plus are getting hosed big. You want ALL pensions in your name, in your account, in your control and that is final. Anything else is bullsh!t. Looks like Canada gets to vote, government just went down on a non-confidence motion. Over paid lard fools want an election. Our next government will break the bad news....WE ARE BROKE and BANKRUPT. So, basically you're a leech on society. |
Biden to impeach Obama
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:21 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 6:51 AM, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 12:06 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 24/03/2011 8:15 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, I know I will be reminded I can't vote but here goes... ANYBODY but Obama. We got the bottom of the pond with that one. But but, pondscum floats. Sure was a dirty pond whee Obama came from. Really? I've been to Hawaii twice, and I found it to be a remarkable place. How many times have you been there? Not once. I prefer Costa Rica, Panama, Mexico. Have lived in 4 other countries too. Been to Europe. Probably been to at least 40 states on a visit or pass through. And you? Whole life in backwater USA? No, I've been around and to more countries and continents than you've mentioned. I do like Hawaii a lot, though. Beautiful, multi-cultural, terrific beaches, pretty mountains, fabulous local restaurants, et cetera. Most Hawaiian cities are crime ridden hell holes. |
Biden to impeach Obama
"HarryisPaul" wrote in message ... In article , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:21 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 6:51 AM, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 12:06 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 24/03/2011 8:15 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, I know I will be reminded I can't vote but here goes... ANYBODY but Obama. We got the bottom of the pond with that one. But but, pondscum floats. Sure was a dirty pond whee Obama came from. Really? I've been to Hawaii twice, and I found it to be a remarkable place. How many times have you been there? Not once. I prefer Costa Rica, Panama, Mexico. Have lived in 4 other countries too. Been to Europe. Probably been to at least 40 states on a visit or pass through. And you? Whole life in backwater USA? No, I've been around and to more countries and continents than you've mentioned. I do like Hawaii a lot, though. Beautiful, multi-cultural, terrific beaches, pretty mountains, fabulous local restaurants, et cetera. Most Hawaiian cities are crime ridden hell holes. *********** You've been sitting around too much watching 'Dog, the Bounty Hunter'. |
Biden to impeach Obama
True North wrote:
"HarryisPaul" wrote in message ... In article , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:21 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 6:51 AM, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 12:06 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 24/03/2011 8:15 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, I know I will be reminded I can't vote but here goes... ANYBODY but Obama. We got the bottom of the pond with that one. But but, pondscum floats. Sure was a dirty pond whee Obama came from. Really? I've been to Hawaii twice, and I found it to be a remarkable place. How many times have you been there? Not once. I prefer Costa Rica, Panama, Mexico. Have lived in 4 other countries too. Been to Europe. Probably been to at least 40 states on a visit or pass through. And you? Whole life in backwater USA? No, I've been around and to more countries and continents than you've mentioned. I do like Hawaii a lot, though. Beautiful, multi-cultural, terrific beaches, pretty mountains, fabulous local restaurants, et cetera. Most Hawaiian cities are crime ridden hell holes. *********** You've been sitting around too much watching 'Dog, the Bounty Hunter'. Why pay any attention to that particular Loogy, especially one that lives near Hot-lanta? Hawaii has one of lowest crime rates of all U.S. states, by the way, according to the FBI's statistical record. In other words, the Loogy is lying through his teeth. As usual. |
Biden to impeach Obama
True North wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message ... Canuck57 wrote: On 24/03/2011 8:15 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, I know I will be reminded I can't vote but here goes... ANYBODY but Obama. We got the bottom of the pond with that one. If you seriously believe this country would be better off with Senile McCain and Brainless Palin at the helm, you are even dumber than I thought. The thought of having the imbecile Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency should have been enough for any responsible adult to vote for Obama and Biden. Michele Bachmann wants to be the GOP candidate in 2012. She has a reasonably good chance of winning the first Republican caucus, the one held in Iowa, where the Republican voters literally are dumber than a post. Bachmann, of course, panders to extremist christians and to the teabaggers, the mindless voters who control the hierarchy of the GOP these days. Nothing would please me more than to see that fruitcake succeed in the GOP. ************* It truly is sad and a bit frightening to see how the US has declined over the past dozen years or so. Even sadder is you sitting at a computer, nipping at Harry's heels, while your yard is a pigsty. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On 25/03/2011 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:05:26 -0600, wrote: On 25/03/2011 11:04 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:21 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 6:51 AM, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 12:06 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 24/03/2011 8:15 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, I know I will be reminded I can't vote but here goes... ANYBODY but Obama. We got the bottom of the pond with that one. But but, pondscum floats. Sure was a dirty pond whee Obama came from. Really? I've been to Hawaii twice, and I found it to be a remarkable place. How many times have you been there? Not once. I prefer Costa Rica, Panama, Mexico. Have lived in 4 other countries too. Been to Europe. Probably been to at least 40 states on a visit or pass through. And you? Whole life in backwater USA? No, I've been around and to more countries and continents than you've mentioned. I do like Hawaii a lot, though. Beautiful, multi-cultural, terrific beaches, pretty mountains, fabulous local restaurants, et cetera. Wife has been to Hawaii. See seems to prefer the spanish touch. From what I hear of Hawaii, I would agree. But might get there in the next year or two. Say in 2 years if they still offer the 20 island cruise -- goes to more than Hawaii. 34 days on a cruise ship sounds interesting. But this year is out as we are looking for a retirement community in Panama or Costa Rica. Hope to have something in the next year. If you need a few bucks to leave sooner, just let us know. Why? So a fleabagger friends of yours can rip me off? Hahahaha... Besides you wouldn't know if I was gone as I can VPN in while on the road. Not like you using daddy's hand me down computer in a trailer park. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On 25/03/2011 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:19:01 -0600, wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:29 AM, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Yep, having faith in government is a big letdown. ;) I never had such faith. My CPP/SS is pocket change, if I get it good deal and extra cruise each year. It will get ugly, especially here in Canada. Canada is not a cheap place to live. Yet so many think they can live on $1000/mo. on CPP (Canada's version of SS). Are they in for a rude awaking. But in all fairness, when you look at what they paid into it, the people who paid for 25 years plus are getting hosed big. You want ALL pensions in your name, in your account, in your control and that is final. Anything else is bullsh!t. Looks like Canada gets to vote, government just went down on a non-confidence motion. Over paid lard fools want an election. Our next government will break the bad news....WE ARE BROKE and BANKRUPT. So, basically you're a leech on society. Nope, just living off my savings and investments. But you would not know about that, being trailer park trash on welfare and all. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On 25/03/2011 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:15:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, Really? Like Newt's experience dumping his wife while she was getting chemo? Was that his first wife or his third? Similar to Edwards huh? Politicians are generally scum. Yes, similar to Edwards in moral failing. No, not similar to Edwards as a ardent supporter of family values, whatever that means. Or, like all the experience pandering to the crazy bat**** people? Or, the stop funding the gov't crowd that has no governance experience? I said I am not sure who it would be. The pool of candidates is really pretty shallow and I don't blame them. The job of president really sucks. It will only get worse as the economic problems we have been ignoring for the last 50 years start exploding in our face. The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. That is why smart people like me made sure my pension was in my name, in my account under my direct control. Paid off in spades as fleabaggers like you can't get to it. ;) |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:10:50 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/03/2011 1:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:05:26 -0600, wrote: On 25/03/2011 11:04 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:21 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/03/2011 6:51 AM, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 12:06 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 24/03/2011 8:15 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, I know I will be reminded I can't vote but here goes... ANYBODY but Obama. We got the bottom of the pond with that one. But but, pondscum floats. Sure was a dirty pond whee Obama came from. Really? I've been to Hawaii twice, and I found it to be a remarkable place. How many times have you been there? Not once. I prefer Costa Rica, Panama, Mexico. Have lived in 4 other countries too. Been to Europe. Probably been to at least 40 states on a visit or pass through. And you? Whole life in backwater USA? No, I've been around and to more countries and continents than you've mentioned. I do like Hawaii a lot, though. Beautiful, multi-cultural, terrific beaches, pretty mountains, fabulous local restaurants, et cetera. Wife has been to Hawaii. See seems to prefer the spanish touch. From what I hear of Hawaii, I would agree. But might get there in the next year or two. Say in 2 years if they still offer the 20 island cruise -- goes to more than Hawaii. 34 days on a cruise ship sounds interesting. But this year is out as we are looking for a retirement community in Panama or Costa Rica. Hope to have something in the next year. If you need a few bucks to leave sooner, just let us know. Why? So a fleabagger friends of yours can rip me off? Hahahaha... Besides you wouldn't know if I was gone as I can VPN in while on the road. Not like you using daddy's hand me down computer in a trailer park. You're the one who lives in a trailer park, so talk to your own daddy about an upgrade. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:13:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/03/2011 1:18 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:19:01 -0600, wrote: On 25/03/2011 10:29 AM, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Yep, having faith in government is a big letdown. ;) I never had such faith. My CPP/SS is pocket change, if I get it good deal and extra cruise each year. It will get ugly, especially here in Canada. Canada is not a cheap place to live. Yet so many think they can live on $1000/mo. on CPP (Canada's version of SS). Are they in for a rude awaking. But in all fairness, when you look at what they paid into it, the people who paid for 25 years plus are getting hosed big. You want ALL pensions in your name, in your account, in your control and that is final. Anything else is bullsh!t. Looks like Canada gets to vote, government just went down on a non-confidence motion. Over paid lard fools want an election. Our next government will break the bad news....WE ARE BROKE and BANKRUPT. So, basically you're a leech on society. Nope, just living off my savings and investments. But you would not know about that, being trailer park trash on welfare and all. Give us a break. You live hand to mouth. You have no savings. You're welfare all the way. Nothing wrong with it, but I can imagine you're a bit ashamed! |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:14:54 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/03/2011 1:17 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:15:07 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:04:11 -0700, wrote: Colin Powell could beat him but he is not willing and the far right doesn't think he is right enough. Powell has too much baggage with the UN testimony. Too bad, since he's a decent, thoughtful guy who couldn't win against Cheney. You could use the same argument as fleabaggers used on McCain, Powell is too old. Powell is just one year younger, but he isn't senile and isn't an angry old man. Pretty sure Obama is going to be a one term dodo if they can come up with anything 1/2 baked. I would welcome a Republican presidential candidate who would be a rational, viable choice, which would be helpful for a healthy, honest, debate about the important issues facing us. I don't see one around that has any chance of getting the nomination. It think it's more likely that it'll be someone who is either extreme and ignorant or extreme with a lot of baggage. Hey, go for it if he wants. I would vote for Powell, he is a republican military, sure to kick some ass. Powell is an intelligent former statesman and general. He's about as anti-war as you can get. I doubt he would be interested at this point, given his age and the baggage. As far as I am concerned "baggage" is really experience. That is particularly true in this case. I would really prefer someone who wasn't from the Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy. I am just not sure who it would be, Really? Like Newt's experience dumping his wife while she was getting chemo? Was that his first wife or his third? Similar to Edwards huh? Politicians are generally scum. Yes, similar to Edwards in moral failing. No, not similar to Edwards as a ardent supporter of family values, whatever that means. Or, like all the experience pandering to the crazy bat**** people? Or, the stop funding the gov't crowd that has no governance experience? I said I am not sure who it would be. The pool of candidates is really pretty shallow and I don't blame them. The job of president really sucks. It will only get worse as the economic problems we have been ignoring for the last 50 years start exploding in our face. The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. That is why smart people like me made sure my pension was in my name, in my account under my direct control. Paid off in spades as fleabaggers like you can't get to it. ;) "Smart people like you" is oxymoronic. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:25:24 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Good for you, and of course all those other people who perhaps have health issues... they're on their own! |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mar 25, 10:57*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:25:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Good for you, and of course all those other people who perhaps have health issues... they're on their own! And how do you distribute your ill-gotten gains, D'Plume? |
Biden to impeach Obama
On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL |
Biden to impeach Obama
On 3/27/2011 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL Well there's a dumb remark, dear. It's funny that you find that amusing. One day you will be dealing with senility in one way or another and I'm certain you wont be finding that funny. Have a nice life dear. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Greg, do you think it's just her 'youthfulness' that causes all that 'naivette'? Well, perhaps she *is* only 17. |
Biden to impeach Obama
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Greg, do you think it's just her 'youthfulness' that causes all that 'naivette'? Well, perhaps she *is* only 17. ********************* Fantasizing about school girls & boys again, Johnny?? |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:23:04 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. It must really aggravate you retired corporate slugs that there are still a few employees around who are not at-will serfs, to be disposed of on a whim so the boys in the suits can take home bigger "bonuses." BTW, are you also imposed to military personnel getting paid more the longer they serve? |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:23:04 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:26:06 -0400, John H
wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, OmDeFlume wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Greg, do you think it's just her 'youthfulness' that causes all that 'naivette'? Well, perhaps she *is* only 17. You're way younger than that... mentally. |
Biden to impeach Obama
In article ,
says... wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:23:04 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. It must really aggravate you retired corporate slugs that there are still a few employees around who are not at-will serfs, to be disposed of on a whim so the boys in the suits can take home bigger "bonuses." BTW, are you also imposed to military personnel getting paid more the longer they serve? Imposed?? Don, come quick! |
Biden to impeach Obama
On 3/27/2011 1:37 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:23:04 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:51:41 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:47:43 -0400, wrote: On 3/25/2011 10:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:40:23 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:23:02 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:17:34 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:34 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:03:29 -0700, wrote: The 2012-2016 president will have to tell 83 million boomers they are not going to get everything they were promised. That may get ugly. Nobody ever gets "everything" they're promised. It's the nature of democracy and compromise to achieve the best for everyone. So far the SS/MC recipients have received more than they were promised but that is going to turn around. So, you don't mind giving back some of your ill-gotten gains? Cool! I fully expect to. It is already happening tho. They are taxing the hell out of my "tax free" social security and when I get to Medicare I expect the part B and "gap" insurance to be higher than it is now. I have already been told part D is not as good as buying the Medco/WalMart plan. Since I don't really use any drugs, I don't care about that. $25 a year pretty much covers my fish oil and a multivitamin every day. Why do you allow this little girl to suck you into these dumb off topic discussions? I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. Are you nuts? Whether you believe it or not dear, that's the way unions work. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. |
Biden to impeach Obama
In article ,
says... On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's just the way of the unions. When I got laid off from Finast I was number two from the bottom of siniority, so I went second. At the same time, I was consistently in the top ten percent of production, day after day. At the same time the union worked very hard to keep guys caught sleeping in the bathroom or stealing, earning a steady paycheck. There is something inherently wrong with Unions taking millions from their employees, handing it to politicians, and then going to those very same Politicians for negotiations... Period. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:12:34 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. They don't want to see any merit based pay. This "testing" thing is just a red herring. The unions are not opposed to merit pay that is determined by fair testing on the basis of merit. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. I did not have that experience with the older teachers and if you are paying for the degree of improvement, kids at risk present more opportunity. No matter what guide you use, old teachers still resist. any system that does not simply pay for credentials and time in grade. They are also the ones who tend to run the education establishment so it will be hard to change that from within. A problem with judging teachers who handle "kids at risk" is that the teachers have absolutely no control over what happens outside of the classroom and school. Teachers cannot force kids or their parents into the correct behavior at home. Teachers cannot control the environment at the kid's home. A hybrid system might work...X amount of pay for experience and credentials, and Y amount above that for producing classes with Z results, assuming the "Z" results are reasonable, attainable, measurable and within the purview of the teacher. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:34:07 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's just the way of the unions. When I got laid off from Finast I was number two from the bottom of siniority, so I went second. At the same time, I was consistently in the top ten percent of production, day after day. At the same time the union worked very hard to keep guys caught sleeping in the bathroom or stealing, earning a steady paycheck. There is something inherently wrong with Unions taking millions from their employees, handing it to politicians, and then going to those very same Politicians for negotiations... Period. We just had an article in the paper about suspended employees who were still being paid. Their top example was a teacher who was suspended for sexual assault on a faculty member, off on "suspension" for over a year and still getting the $61,000 salary. Not bad money for staying home and watching soaps all day. This person was reinstated, back to teaching. What do you learn in that class? Hell, man, you guys elected a governor who should be in federal prison. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:28:11 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's an important skill but it is not the kind of learning that's important in the long run. Teachers want what's best for students. Feel free to disagree. There are very, very few teachers who are as you describe. Most are dedicated to the students they're teaching and get by on very modest salaries. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, Harryk
wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:28:38 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:34:07 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. It's just the way of the unions. When I got laid off from Finast I was number two from the bottom of siniority, so I went second. At the same time, I was consistently in the top ten percent of production, day after day. At the same time the union worked very hard to keep guys caught sleeping in the bathroom or stealing, earning a steady paycheck. There is something inherently wrong with Unions taking millions from their employees, handing it to politicians, and then going to those very same Politicians for negotiations... Period. We just had an article in the paper about suspended employees who were still being paid. Their top example was a teacher who was suspended for sexual assault on a faculty member, off on "suspension" for over a year and still getting the $61,000 salary. Not bad money for staying home and watching soaps all day. This person was reinstated, back to teaching. What do you learn in that class? So, because there's occasionally abuse of the system, that means the system is bankrupt and should be discarded? Nonsense. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:29:51 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:35:42 -0400, Harryk wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:12:34 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. They don't want to see any merit based pay. This "testing" thing is just a red herring. The unions are not opposed to merit pay that is determined by fair testing on the basis of merit. We will see. Scott just signed the bill yesterday that will do that. So far the school union seems pretty much opposed. You tend to end up with a comment like that... "we'll see." Basically, that means you don't know and just guessing. |
Biden to impeach Obama
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:32:51 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:24 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:47 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Nonsense. They believe performance does matter, and they're sick of teaching to tests that don't teach kids anything useful except maybe how to take tests. Taking tests is a very important skill but these teachers do not want their salary tied to any measure of performance. They want to be paid by credentials and time in grade. Make that sound reasonable to me.. A totally out of touch teacher with 20 years on the job and a PhD, who gets horrible results, makes 3 times as much as a new teacher who connects with the kids and really gets something done in the classroom. That is ridiculous. Too many variables in your argument. You're making assumptions the kids in each class are pretty much the same kids, with the same home life. When I was in public school, the older, more experienced teachers were by far the better teachers. Maybe but I had a terrible crush on Mr. Hansen in 8th grade. He was one of the younger ones. Of course, I can't remember a single thing he said. Most of my public school teachers made really strong, positive impressions on me. In all those years, though, there was only one young woman I considered cute. In those days, just after Franklin "discovered" electricity, the teachers did not have to take the amount of b.s. dished up to them today. |
Biden to impeach Obama
On 3/28/2011 2:02 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:29:51 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:35:42 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:12:34 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:37:33 -0700, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:12:26 -0400, wrote: I enjoy bantering with Plume. The naivete of youth is always refreshing. Gee I didn't realize senility was considered an advantage! LOL I am not the one who has trouble remembering what we were talking about ;-) What were we talking about? Oh wait... Don't ask me, I am senile, now where did I leave my teeth? ;-) It is a strange comment from a person who believes in the unions and their policy of paying the oldest and longest serving employees the most, regardless of performance. Who believes that? I don't think you'll find anyone who does. School teachers. Be sure to let us know when a system is devised that actually is capable of judging teachers on merit. It sure as hell isn't the standardized testing bull****. They don't want to see any merit based pay. This "testing" thing is just a red herring. The unions are not opposed to merit pay that is determined by fair testing on the basis of merit. We will see. Scott just signed the bill yesterday that will do that. So far the school union seems pretty much opposed. You tend to end up with a comment like that... "we'll see." Basically, that means you don't know and just guessing. How many lines have you done already today, dear? " we will see" is a perfectly legitimate response. You are implying that Greg should know how this new bill is going to play out. Not everyone is the genius you are. Or maybe it's just your childlike naivete that makes you so sure of yourself. |
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